12 Oct 2016 19:20:08
I'm still amazed that ANY Celtic fan still buys or reads the so called Scottish tabloids
It's all P1sh they churn out to keep certain people happy.
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14 Oct 2016 18:58:56
That's it started Dembele is joining PSG according to the media lol. You could never guess who we're playing soon? I knew my earlier prediction would come true. The only way to answer it is bang another five goals in.
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14 Oct 2016 18:59:01
That's it started Dembele is joining PSG according to the media lol. You could never guess who we're playing soon? I knew my earlier prediction would come true. The only way to answer it is bang another five goals in.
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12 Oct 2016 09:40:50
I see the Daily Record has dredged up an old story. The story I am talking about is some senior Celtic employees were involved in a tax avoidance scheme. The scheme in question, were "controversial film partnerships".
This story was known about ages ago and already covered in this paper as well as other papers, at the time. Which raises the question, why are they bringing it up again?
Before, I continue let me point out a very important fact that will help you bat this nonsense away when some stupid blue nose tries to tar our club with the same brush as theirs. The fact is - Celtic as a club where not involved in this tax avoidance scheme, it was only employees of the club. Not only that, this scheme did not violate any SFA or SPL (was not SPFL at the time) rules, so no action will be taken against our club. Lastly, our employees using this scheme did not help us on the park so none of our titles were won through cheating.
Going back to why this story has resurfaced now. To me it stinks of misdirection in that I expect a bad news story about Rangers and the powers that be at Ibrox want to direct the anger away from them and towards Celtic.
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12 Oct 2016 10:41:43
Bang on RabMac definitely a deflection. I wonder what is happening on the marble staircase today? New court action, HMRC maybe? Highlight other tax events to normalise their own. Puma, 32Red, Joey Barton, Big Mike or new contender. I await with my bowl and spoon. Lol.
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12 Oct 2016 15:40:15
Get in there rabmac.
I've got a sevconian sitting next to me at work and he loved reading out the daily ranger story.
I read out your post and he's gone a little quiet.
HH.
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12 Oct 2016 16:06:37
I would expect Peter lawell or someone from the club to make a statement regarding this.
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12 Oct 2016 16:52:51
If you think the stories are bad this week wait until the week before we play Rangers, the papers will be saying Dembele is leaving, Griffiths is unsettled at not starting etc etc just the usual crap before a big game.
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12 Oct 2016 18:18:43
Hands up who likes paying tax?
Noone? There's a surprise.
We earn 200 a week and we hate paying a few hundred a year. Now imagine you earn 25 grand a week. You have to give HALF of that back in tax.
So along comes some slimey accountant. For a few grand I'll make you pay less tax.
No you say I like paying tax. Dyf.
Now tax avoidance is okay. Tax evasion is highly illegal.
Ragers EVADED paying tax by this employee scheme and ultimately shutting shop to avoid paying it.
(Ps I pay corporation tax, vat, cap gains tax, tax when I bought my house, income tax and tax on every single flecking thing I buy. Christ you even pay tax on benefits)
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12 Oct 2016 18:24:36
I am delighted that Peter Lawwwell and everyone else holding a responsible position in Celtic appear to be giving the Daily Record's rehashed story from years ago the respect and coverage that this paper deserves . We all know that the Daily Record is providing a side- show as more bad news about Rangers finances are about to become public knowledge .
All we have to do is not buy or give any money to the Daily Record.
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12 Oct 2016 18:37:40
It's predictable and monotonous; the way they conjure up fantasy and slanted stories to try and deflect from and protect the manky mob.
The International break has given them two weeks to try and take the focus off the tribute act's financial peril, their out of control player, the reality of their mid-table status and the credibility and inability of the Brentford Bread boy.
They are getting worried and it will escalate before the cup semi as will the stench of fear.
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12 Oct 2016 20:28:42
I might be wrong but I've always thought the word 'news' was a plural of 'new'. You know, new stuff people should know about? How is dredging up stuff which seems to be without basis news of any sort? They are a joke with a horrible axe to grind and they deserve nothing more than contempt, if even that.
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12 Oct 2016 22:42:26
So Rabmac, tax avoidance is okay as long as it's the employees? I pay my taxes, you pay taxes and no doubt the majority of posters on here pay taxes, but as long as it's not Sevco/ Rangers it's okay? Trying to justify tax avoidance by trying to apply some twisted moral high ground is staggering. Here's hoping all of these tax dodgers, be they linked with Celtic or otherwise are ordered to pay it back.
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12 Oct 2016 23:04:37
apparently news is north east west south.
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13 Oct 2016 14:01:30
Hugh, rab never said tax avoidance was ok he said it wasn't the club (celtic) that was involved.
Not sure celtic can be accountable for what there employees decide to spend there sovies on.
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13 Oct 2016 14:25:26
@Tick67 - nae point trying to reason with these numpties mate, they are guilty of "tactical stupidity". ;)
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13 Oct 2016 14:51:25
@Hugh Jarse - Let me educate you. The tax scheme you are talking about is a LLP. The Celtic employees who used the scheme were advised by a well known accountant firm. They then informed HMRC in their tax return and HMRC informed them that tax was still due as the tax was not off-setable. Upon being told this all Celtic employees paid the tax owed. So there was no tax avoided as it all got paid. This is an old story dating back to 2012.
I should point out that Alan McLaren, Alan McGregor, Barry Ferguson, Craig Moore, Alex Clelland, Maurice Ross, Archie Knox, Walter Smith and others used the same scheme. Check out Roosternet Global LLP on Companies House website to see your beloved Walters name in black in white.
If I were you, the question I would be asking was why were none of the Rangers employees mentioned in the article? What bad news is coming your club's way?
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13 Oct 2016 18:44:53
Rab what happened to not reasoning mate?
Get em told lol 😀.
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14 Oct 2016 19:33:36
I agree with the avoidance and evasion comment. Why would you want to part with your cash if you legally did not have to? You don't buy things in a sale and offer to pay the original price. Many people wait until items are reduced before buying them thus avoiding paying a higher price. Same with tax. There are ways to avoid paying tax which are perfectly legal.
Lying about income etc and not paying what is required is illegal and that is what that lot did. Even taking EBT's out of the equation, they did not pay their legal requirement on tax, Nat Insurance etc.
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12 Oct 2016 08:35:30
I see an awful lot of the zombies are bumping their gums about this breaking "Celtic Tax Case" and how the SFA will let us away with it etc lol. Nothing in the rag links THE CLUB to any avoidance scheme whatsoever, just current/ former employees allegedly doing the dirty with their own personal finances. A total non-story. Ex Aberdeen and St. Mirren players also mentioned, should we sanction those clubs too?
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12 Oct 2016 10:09:32
20 employees of celtic have done it haha! accept it. it's out now.
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12 Oct 2016 10:42:34
You sniffing the glue?
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12 Oct 2016 10:44:35
Oh Cee, how niave you are.
First off, if anyone is found guilty of tax evasion/ avoidance and they are culpable for monies owed, then they shall feel the full force of HRMC. And they should have to pay.
Secondly, as stated above, Celtic have no part to play in this. As mere employees of the club, they have (through their own free will) potentially got involved and if guilty should have to pay their debts back.
Thirdly, and here's my favourite bit. This is a rehash of a 2012 article, so nothing new to read here. Therefore the forces of darkness are clearly attempting a diversion for something bad about to happen down Govan way. We all know the score and how the MSM work, we have learnt their ways. If only everyone learnt their lesson then we would all be much stronger. I can't wait to see what's round the corner, and it's coming fast.
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12 Oct 2016 11:14:43
I accept it fully Cee, and those employees will feel the wrath of HMRC if found guilty of wrongdoing but there is no suggestion from the article that Celtic as a club were any way involved, apart from the mischieviously worded headline, and will therefore not be liable for any tax bill (s) .
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12 Oct 2016 12:14:49
Tax avoidance is not a crime Cee, unlike tax evasion and tax fraud. For a detailed explanation OF 'EVASION' and 'FRAUD' please refer to Rangers before they went belly up, their actions will give excellent examples. lol HH.
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{Ed007's Note - Celtic have no control over what their employees do with their money. This straw clutching by supporters of Scotland's newest club is the equivalent of accusing your son's employer of being a drug dealer because your son bought a bag of weed with his wages.
Celtic's payments of income tax, national insurance and VAT are full and completely up to date and so this regurgitated story (it's old news and has been reported numerous times before) has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Celtic Football Club.
The interesting thing is WHY has the Record ran with this story again, Oh look - a squirrel....
BTW, I've got a list of Oldco Rangers players and staff that were involved in these film schemes AND received EBTs, including Sir Walter of Particularly, Craig Moore, Barry Ferguson etc. Wee Barry is in serious financial trouble after getting his tax bill and HMRC refusing to cut him a deal because he admitted he tried to hide income from them. And that's without taking his EBT into consideration.}
12 Oct 2016 12:39:41
Grasping at straws eh cee.
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12 Oct 2016 12:50:11
Just the usual from this scumbag newspaper, nothing to report again so they bring up an old story, the old story thing seems to be the direction the scumbag newspaper is going in, few weeks ago it was dembele being watched by a host of teams, same teams that were looking at him before he signed for us, common sense would suggest of course they will be watching him to see progression just because a player signs for a team doesn't mean clubs won't keep watching the boy. Now we have this a story I remember reading ages ago, gets dragged up, why? Keep the focus off the knuckle-dragging halfwits and the mess that they are TRULY in. Cee and his LOT won't be intelligent enough to understand the difference between this story and theirs! They will be wanting CFC shut down, make it easier for them to get 3rd or 4th and that's me being generous.
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12 Oct 2016 15:29:35
Bit like the record cee first on to talk sh#$e w please celtic fans don't buy this rag.
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12 oct 2016 15:30:55
the key point in the whole scenario which has conveniently been left out is that celtic had initially used ebt scheme, realised that it was not above board and immediately repaid due tax to hmrc.
personally i'm expecting an even bigger witch hunt against club after sutton tearing johnstone a new hole. this is media closing ranks trying to get one over us. really hope we do the treble this season even more now.
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12 Oct 2016 16:41:45
Quite right DN30. There are some who think Celtic closed down the EBT scheme due to a moral stance and there is the more realistic theory that they foresaw some massive financial repercussions further down the line. Either way they got rid, paid the money owed and, as Ed has stated, have had squeaky clean books ever since. The Treble's definitely on the cards and if we get through on the 23rd all the media hysteria about it will go into overdrive just like last year when RD never muttered a word about it yet was asked about it in every press conference in order to set us up for an almighty fall.
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12 Oct 2016 17:25:45
I heard it was when Brian quinn heard about the ebt scheme that he was one at celtic to say it was dodgy and made sure that it was checked out officially.
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{Ed007's Note - It was Brian Quinn, Kev. One of the perks of having a respected ex-Governor of The Bank of England as a chairman and not a conman shyster like David Murray who based his businesses and life on lying and cheating.}
12 Oct 2016 17:32:21
@DN30 - Just wanted to clarify the difference between Celtic's use of EBT and Rangers use of them.
Celtic did in fact use an EBT on one occasion. The EBT in question was used to pay severance to Juninho when we terminated his contract. There are a two reasons it was different from the ones used by Rangers.
1. Because it was used to pay severance that means it was not a payment for footballing duties and for that reason we did not have to declare it the SFA in regards to his registration. This is why no action has been brought against our club.
2. When we realised it may be deemed tax avoidance we contacted HMRC and paid the tax owed on the payment. This is why HMRC have never taken us to court for unpaid tax.
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12 Oct 2016 18:23:15
Man the vanguard bears are boycotting the daily rager and now we are (always were) .
Who is left to but this steaming pile of nonsense.
And the whole flecking thing is free to read online if you really wanted to.
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{Ed007's Note - Clicking on their site still gives them advertising revenue, it might be free to read but they still get money.}
12 Oct 2016 18:30:41
Cee you think Celtic employees trying to avoid tax is newsworthy .
Mr David Cameron the British Prime Minister for Six yrs up to this summer Father used tax avoidance, over sees banking to avoid tens of thousands of tax annually . Current Prime Minister Mrs T May 'husband currently also saves thousands tax per year . Tax avoidance hasn't affected these house holds very much.
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12 Oct 2016 22:44:14
That'll be u put in your place then cee!
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12 Oct 2016 22:27:42
RabMac To be honest when I posted last post, I couldn't remember full story of situation regarding EBT. Just the main and crucial point, the club rectified situation. What is alarming regarding demise of Rangers is as ed007 mentioned, it was Brian Quinn who raised concern.
Ive not one doubt David Murray knew about this concern from someone like Quinn and decided to take gamble and carry on using EBT to an unfair advantage.
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