Celtic Banter Archive July 12 2013

12 Jul 2013 22:43:43
Hi Ed, mate of mine says Jordan Rhodes? think Balde is a dud lol, Iknow pre season but its a pain in the arse getting humped left right and center, especially with a C.L qualifier nearly upon us, I keep think Bratislava?
Please Celtic get this sorted we need players and not young/ one for the future, we need players who are better than we have, and replace Big Vic.
John88

12 Jul 2013 22:23:43
Just a thought here, and yes I know it's only pre-season but
1. We are trying to sell Celtic as a world renouned famous football club- well that falls some way short when we lose convincingly to low league teams from Germany, Ukraine and Romania ( Yes Cluj have done well in recent years but look at last year they were way down the Romanian league after selling all their best players)
2. We have scored 2 goals in 4 games against teams no better than our 1st or 2nd division standard yet if rumours are to be believed we're selling our best striker. Balde looks, well not great and Van Dijk less than convincing - so far.
So yes I will give the new bhoys a chance but goodness sake this is embarassing and as for gaining new fans in Germany, Ukraine or Romania well I think we know that right now thay are laughing at us wondering what the fuss is about. I like many have struggled to muster the money for a season ticket - at the moment does it look like money well spent - nope!

Gary

Sides no better than our 1st & Second division gee it a rest Cluj, Furth & Union Berlin would all be In the top 4 of the SPL that's just the standard.

Cluj sold most of their team and finished 8th in a very poor Romanian league, Furth and Union Berlin are 2nd division teams so don't try and defend their standard? It's a disgrace no matter how you want to paint the picture

Gary

Gary I agree with your general point that they are and should be below Celtic but those teams and players were well coached and technically good. They would be 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th in our laugh I mean league. Sopotcelt.

12 Jul 2013 21:50:48
Only bein friendlies or not we really are a poor poor team the now really fed up hearing the same excuses about its only pre season results don't count its about the fitness but i'm sorry the 4 games so far we have been nuhin short of atrocious thers no excuses tbh we all moan about young boys getting a chance in the 1st team well they have and so have the new lads aswel and nearly all the regulars except broony and couple others and 2 ship 12 goals and only score 2 in 4 games against some really low standard teams except cluj who did look a really tidy team is pretty embarrassing wether folk think diff that's upto u a just personally think we r at least 3/4 better class players away from bein a good team escpeially 5 days away from a cl qualifier

GunnieBhoy

I've not seen any of the games, agree that 4 defeats in pre-season is not good enough for Celtic, don't think Neil Lennon can really play this down can he? Pretty much the same squad from last season apart from big Vic leaving yesterday. I hear Virgil looks the part at centre half, however jury out on the big striker, I feel the next few weeks will be very interesting as to who we sign and how much we spend. Ed - Correct me if I'm wrong but we agreed this time last season PL did not back NL with regards transfer funds. On reflection we punched above our weight and had a fantastic run in the champions league, we may not be so lucky this season, squad is crying out for a bit of quality, not some guy on a years loan who comes from Timbuktu. Ian L

Thats us twelve points behind in the league and out of europe, its time to sack lennon, if he can't win the league in pre season then his time is up,,, deep river bhoy

Haha great post deepriver bhoy.

A Bear

12 Jul 2013 21:16:18
More embarrassment.

How can anyone defend playing like this for 4 games on the trot. You can see were working harder but still getting a doing by a lowly 2nd division Bundesliga team.

Season hasn't even started and i'm already scunnered. Imagine this tour being an exercise to drum up more interest in the club or gain new fans? ha

Pathetic.

12 Jul 2013 20:22:52
Ed, just sitting in the sun finishing off the beer reading through posts, i'm going off topic here slightly but with Wanyama away down south to the apparently best league in the world with all it's riches but just thinking with Englands national team underachieving and their under 21's and 20's both recently being embarassed in their respective tournaments how long do you think it might take for the English leagues looking to limit the foreigners in their game? The bottom line is because of their "great league" their under 21's and 20's have players valued at 10 to 20 million and they were barassed by teams like Isreal and Denmark so obviously they ain't that good!.

They can boast and brag about their riches and ability to take our best players but there's no real exceptional English players coming through and it's having a huge effect on their national teams (which they are very proud of) so I can see big changes in the coming years, jist a thought and wondered what everybody else thinks.

Anyway back to the beer

Gary {Ed007's Note - If it wasn't for all the big money foreigners adding quality the EPL would be a very poor standard. You don't see any the big European teams beating their door down for average players (but lauded as superstars) like Tom Cleverley or Danny Welbeck.}

Terrific shout ed, I for one am getting pig sick of the rubbish that the people down south spout about their game. If it wasn't for the influx of foreign stars and Sky money to support it the league would be very average at best. Typical English i.e. Adrian Durham, Lineker etc need to pull their heads out their rectums and stop spouting utter p1sh about how great they are, world cup this, euro champs that blah blah blah.

P.S. just seen that all the MSM tabloids in Scotland have had another significant loss of readership mostly between 9 and 12%. Get it up them, that's what happens when you side with Satans Sevco! Hopefully they will go the same way as their beloved cheating/lieing/fraudulent/bigoted shower of vermin team.

Ballybhoy

12 Jul 2013 20:06:56
Hope Adam Mathews makes a return soon.

12 Jul 2013 19:17:26
Timalloy, joeshmo and darrenbhoy thanks for your comments, I never mentioned commons either, I thought izzy pushed forward as an option rather than spending cash on another player till after the qualifiers and stokes for me has to get more game time, hooper Is a no brainer too but it was just for the first few games, as for wee pat, I can't read foreign writitng . Ths

It wasn't till I was finished my post I realised about commons either haha, Sammy had got to be in there at left mid for me tho
Darrenbhoy

12 Jul 2013 17:56:06
Ed007, no disrespect to the other teams, if we don't win a treble beforre rangers get back it will make bigger headlines in our msm than the debacle that is scottish football imo. Ths

12 Jul 2013 16:23:12
Ed .When was the last time celtic won everything else and how often does everyone think it will happen, ( if it does ) I wish I had the positivity some posters have, untill the sfa, rangers and their freinds in prominent positions are outed then i'm afrai the futue for this long suffering ( paranoid ) fan does'nt (bear) thinking about. Ths. {Ed007's Note - The last time we won the treble was 2001. For some strange reason (as far back as I can remember) we have struggled to win the League Cup. We definitely should have won trebles more often and hopefully over the next few years we can add a few more.}

I remember the league cup being a bogey as far back as the 70's when I watched us losing to The Jags and (Tommy Gemmell's) Dundee and maybe Hibs or was that the Dryburgh Cup - remember that?
Anyway we definitely have not won the treble nearly enough as Ed stated and we are still having trouble eg: St Mirren and Kilmarnock recently.


Jungle Jim

The League Cup! Your right ED it has never been a good tournament for us. For some reason rangers have always done well in it though, even with pretty average teams. green jhedi

12 Jul 2013 18:32:27
Yes ED007 the League Cup has always been a bogy tournament for Celtic since even the Lions days. I think big Jock with so many games, especially in Europe, he played the younger bhoys in those games, successive managers have never really placed importance on it that League cup deserves. Timalloy

Big jock used to give that cup away to the wee teams

12 Jul 2013 14:30:39
Could someone recommend a pub, in the west end of Glasgow, for tonight's game? Thanks JC

I was in rhoderick rhu opposite central station IN glasgow. Unsure of west end though. partick etc weird when showing premier sports.

@jockdj83

The Arlington on Woodlands road will have it. green jhedi

Thanks Jock

12 Jul 2013 11:29:12
According to the two main tabloids Victor's deal at Southampton is worth £30k per week. I find that a bit surprising.Throughout these negotiations I thought he was being used by his agent for his own ends. The salary he has secured for Victor is, by Premiership standards, pretty average. I would be amazed and disappointed if our offer to him was not around that figure. Has his agent advised him to sign for the club offering him the most?

In my opinion Victor would have been better served staying another season or two with Celtic. We could have matched the wage he is on at Southampton and his game would progress competing in Europe.He also would have been winning things, another vital part of developing young talent. I firmly believe had he done this he would have secured a bigger move, possibly a top six side.

Sadly it seems the lure of the premiership was too strong.Looking at the response from Kenya it is a huge deal for their FA.He is the first Kenyan to achieve this and as such will be an enormous draw marketing wise. While I am convinced his agent has not taken his clients welfare into consideration, he seems to have done rather well from this deal, I wish the Big Man all the best. And the same sentiments to Southampton as well. green jhedi

Our cap is 25k mate. But now with the money made from wanyama maybe we can raise it to 30k. Fingers crossed anyway

Darrenbhoy

Doubt a 12 million player is only on 30k a week
Gordybhoy44

12 Jul 2013 09:46:39
With Celtic playing an extra CL qualifier we know it wil be harder to qualify for group stages but let us do the business against Cliftonville first. We should be targeting 4 coefficient points (wins home and away) Hopefully we get kind draws for other qualifiers and can target a further 8 coefficient points which would then get us into groups. If we achieve this it will be a massive boost and hopefully we can equal or beat our 21 coefficient points of last season.
Hibs and St Johnstone have tough qualifiers in Europa League but hopefully they can both get some much needed coefficient points also.
Back to Celtic, we need about 20 coefficient points per season for next 3 seasons which would boost our seeding and also cut down on qualifying ties.
Finally I hope our friends Cliftonville get a nice wee cash boost out of the game at Solitude against Celtic. hail hail Timalloy

No coefficient points picked up in qualifiers Timalloy, only teams that get eliminated in qualifiers pick up points, 2 points for a win only comes into play for the group stage.

G93

12 Jul 2013 16:23:42
G93 read your UEFA rule book again, coefficient points are earned right from start of all European competitions.
Last year Celtic won all 4 qualifiers and got 8 points plus a bonus point for reaching group stages. Motherwell and Dundee United both got a coefficient point each for 2 draws. Timalloy

Check yours Timalloy, St Johnstone got 0.5 points for being eliminated in Q2, Dundee UItd got 1 point for being eliminated in Q3, Motherwell and Hearts got 1.5 points for being eliminated in the Play-off round, Celtic received 4 points for group stage participation, 2 points for each group stage win, 1 for a group stage draw and 5 points for last 16 participation, totalling 16 points, plus every team in Scotland received the average of clubs competing which was 0.860, please check for yourself.

G93

12 Jul 2013 06:06:12
Why don't we take the 5m plus add ons from QPR and use some of that to sign John Guidetti from Man City. This guy is an incredible goal scoring player. We must have scouted him! Thoughts?

One thought. Wages. green jhedi

Completely agree, but pretty much anything coming out of Man City these days we will not be able to match wages wise, even reserves (eg. Gareth Barry £100,000 pw!). Would take him in a heartbeat though

Tompo88

Well I heard he could be joining feyenoord (spelling) on loan so maybe we should put loan bid in if we get group stages

12 Jul 2013 00:30:50
Forster
Mathews ( l b )
Mulgrew
Wilson
Lustig
Izzy ( l m )
Ledley
Brown
Forrest
Stokes
Sammy
Subs kayal, hooper, mcgeoch, rogic, balde, van djik, efe, watt, not sure amount of players to be registered for europe
For the first few games I. Would ' nt mind this team . What does anyone else think . ( injuries aside ) Ths

12 Jul 2013 09:35:30
First of all welcome on here THS (even if you never mentioned wee Pat and I for praise!)
Now to your team, sorry but we need Hooper, Kayal and the new centre back Van Dijk in team, possibly Ambrose also in midfield. Timalloy
Ps we note you are worried about your spelling and grammar well my business colleague will happily enrol you in "wee Pat's grammar classes"
(mates rates of course) Sevco fans extra as it is harder for them to write with their knuckles.

Izzy left mid and stokes in front of hooper? Errrr no!

Joeshmo1888

I know hoops is maybe gona leave but till then he is our player. He should be starting our qualifer. He hasn't signed a pre contract or anything. Innocent untill proven guilty I say haha other than that I agree. Stokes for Hooper is my only change

Darrenbhoy

11 Jul 2013 23:52:34
I think we should dip Into the Asian market again, been a while since we saw a player with that sort of intelligece that nakamura had. There are some fantastic asain players at the moment. Maybe one of those country's will do great at the world cup so we could stand to make a fair bit of money from it to.

Darrenbhoy

Any suggestions? {Ed007's Note - Keisuke Honda is available....we can all dream Darren.}

Ryo Miyaichi

A few years ago he looked like a proper superstar in the making. Arsenal sent him on loan to feyenoord and they loved him and tried to get another season long loan though Arsenal refused. He spend a spell on loan at Bolton scored 1 or 2 goals and he seems to have disappeared on his return to Arsenal. He would surely be available for transfer or loan. As far as skill and ability goes he's a top class player, understandably there are other elements holding him back, like many other Japanese players he is very slight and maybe lacking in the bravery department but he can bulk himself up and with that gain more confidence in his physique and look after himself a bit better on the pitch.

So much pace and skill though he would be a star.

I read his deal with Spartak is almost out. January. Talk of 7m euro?. Anyway he is outstanding. Celtic should consider him as a good investment and a top signing which would go down very well with the fans. Same age as KW 27. Opportunities like him do not come around very often. Sopotcelt.

"Maybe lacking in the bravery department", lol I laughed at that. It is true though. Nakamura was never a physical threat to anyone either.
I suspect bulking up is not the answer either otherwise he'd have done that long ago. There must be something else holding him back, but yes, he was a decent player a few years ago.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Good suggestions so far, I would love Honda to sign but his wages would make pl have nightmares haha, the boy from arsenal is a right good shout, pay naka for a few training sessions for him show him how he needs to condition himself up here. Being an arsenal player though his wages might be quiet high aswell. Definitely worth an approach

Darrenbhoy

Nakamura was an outstanding player not just a good one. Agreed he wasn't the most physical but his technique and skill was amazing. Best free kicks I have ever seen aswell. Also his deliverys were pin point perfect 95% of the time.

Darrenbhoy

Singapore just won MSL and looking for double header. A couple of usefull squad players.
TinyTim

@ 3 & 5)

Nakamura did infact have to bulk up when he came to Celtic. Strachan mentioned it in more than one interview. He had to, he was struggling with the physical side of the game here. Possibly muscle toning and a little weight gain but not too much as too effect his playing style or movement. I remember around the time he scored a hat trick at Dundee Utd a statistic was revealed that he was the most fouled player in scottish football. Bravery wasn't something Naka was lacking, he got kicked from pillar to post at times and kept getting up and going back for more, there is without doubt an element of bravery to that. George Best has been called one of the bravest players english football ever seen along with all the other praises bestowed upon him, and rightly so. The treatment he got was brutal, yet it never stunted his desire to run at players and turn them inside out knowing turn by turn he was edging closer to that inevitable clattering tackle. Naka like George Best couldn't harm a fly on the pitch but never hid. Although that's were the comparisons end lol

Mind you, I never seen George Best take a free kick like Naka haha

11 Jul 2013 23:49:35
I recall on TV Lenny saying the CL run money would secure Celtic for many years. Our club has a long term footballing plan and business plan that relies on ourselves and nobody else. I would expect squad strengthening with guys up to £3m, I don't see us paying beyond that. And no more than two £3m type guys in any summer window. {Ed007's Note - Fans get too hung up on transfer fees, look at Ledley, Matthews or Wanyama. I'd agree that a few players around the £3m mark would be our limit but I would still rather see money used to raise our wages barrier slightly, there can be a big difference between a £25k a week and a £30k a week player, especially if it is a Bosman signing.}

I agree Ed and no matter what plan we take we will be off to a great star that maybe the board didn't see happening so soon. For we made a (record maybe?) great amount this year with transfers and all must be around 50mill+?

I get the impression that a lot of fans think that the more you spend, the better the player. not always the case. If Messi was available on a free, you would still get some people moaning saying that we should be splashing the cash, not taking bosmans

samson

Yeah Gota agree with ed there. If we done that and waited till next season to sign 1 or 2 quality free agents I'd be more than happy.

Darrenbhoy