Celtic Banter Archive July 12 2012

 

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12 Jul 2012 20:14:50
I'm very pleased with the way Celtic have conducted themselves. Saying nothing was the best way as anything said would have been used by the gutter press. When we did come out with a statement at the same time as the vote, the statement basically mirrored what all clubs were saying....and yet mcoist still had a sly dig at us while saying he understood the other clubs fans views? It was a bit confusing but shows for me that our clubt is being run well and the people in charge have a bit of savy.

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Agree totally,in fact i said the same thing in an earlier post,Sally has been unusually dim if he thinks a glib smile every once and a while has us fooled.
Peter Lawwell Has been without a doubt the best C.E we've had for a good few years and the stability speaks volumes that our club is being run properly,it's often said that cheats never prosper,can't wait for the police investigation to come to it's conclusion
Green Judge

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I have said that I would have liked The Celtic to be more vocal regarding the shambles and 'skullduggery' going on, plus the snide comments of Sally the Snake; however in the cold light of day I accept that it has been more prudent and dignified to sit back and take note of the pantomime for future reference.
I totally agree about Peter Lawell and Co and perhaps we should give him due reward and tie him to the club for life.

Jungle Jim

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12 Jul 2012 16:17:41
Hi Ed, just want to pay tribute to the lion that could not play, wee Joe McBride. He helped us be the greatest British team in history. RIP and Hail Hail

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Scotlands gerd muller. he was badly affected by injury, but was no 1 in my book. rip
yorkiebhoy.

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I saw joe play a few times , but i was just a wee laddie 10/11 so didn't appreciate him properly at the time . in my defence joe was just part of imo one of the best TEAMS ever in world football, not all brilliant as individuals but as a team , superb. looking back he was a great player , fantastic stats, and by all accounts a really nice person. r.i.p. joe . shamrock

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12 Jul 2012 14:05:07
I wonder if Doncaster or Reagan have considered this scenario in their haste to shoe horn sevco into div one? First lets assume that the raft of doomsday financial predictions sway the voters.It has been suggested that the transfer embargo would stand and a possible points deduction would be applied.I fail to see how this would be possible.This is a new team,as such they have not broken any rules so how can you apply punishments or sanctions?Dont forget,Green could agree to these punishments but a shareholder could still take the case to court,and they would almost certainly get them reversed.There is also the financial aspect of the first division.I would think that most fans of the liquidated club,who are going to follow sevco,would renew their season tickets.Most would pay the SPL price to help the new club rise,meaning with the wage bill reduced dramatically sevco would become cash rich through the season tickets.They would also regain control of their merchandising and catering revenue streams,again with an influx of cash other teams could only dream about.Add to this the fact that Celtic will lose money through the financial inducement to the other clubs with regards to the TV deal.This means sevco could gain promotion to the SPL in one season and arrive debt free and with no punishments other than no Europe for three years.In what sort of context is that the right thing to do? McCoist wants it,sevco fans want it and 97% of football fans want it.Division three is the only suitable recourse...............green jhedi

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And so the penny finally drops!!

Why then has Peter Lawwell not categorically stated that newco should start in Division 3?

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They should be applying to join division three not automatically granted a place,cove and spartans have just as much right to that open spot,more so in that they have played by the rules and have earned the chance.say no to newco.

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Well said gj. and the smaller clubs are getting bullied into making this happen.

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Penny drops? And why would that be?We all know this is financial,my own theory is Doncaster has a bonus linked to the sky deal,but it should not be.Mr Lawwell has said exactly what the club should have said,we will abide by the rules.I think he might bare his teeth if we are expected to lose money while Sevco walk into a league to make more...........green jhedi

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Why has nobody suggested Division 2?Logical compromise between the Yes and No clubs.

Jungle Bhoy.

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Because he want's to see Rangers/Sevco's reputation damaged even further.

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GJ - my understanding is that the agreement between the SFA and Sevco allows Rangers SFA membership to be transferred to Sevco and in return Sevco had to agree to be bound by all penalties incurred by Rangers.

The transferring of the SFA membership allows the SFA to get round the issue of Sevco not having 3 years accounts, albeit Rangers did not submit accounts last year. There is no SPL pr SFL requirement for a club to have 3 years accounts.

The point you made is very valid. Almost all SPL clubs would have debt, but Sevco wouldn't. Grossly wrong.

K-Dot.

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If sevco are admitted to div. 1 it would mean that they were treated differently from other new clubs. The sfl would them have to either allow all newcos arising from liquidations to do the same or lay down criteria for how big you have to be to be treated in this way. Craig whyte could them set himself up as a consultant to those clubs deemed to be big enough to shed all their debts and spend 1 year in the first division. Div 3 for sevco makes sense as it sets a precedent which discourages the likes of whyte and green.

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Not so GJ - Celtic's stance should've been to categorically state that newco should start in Division 3. They didn't because, like the others in the SPL, they are not prepared for thew level of financial loss being compounded for at least three seasons. That's where the so-called 'sporting integrity' argument falls as it's either 100% or nothing...Don't get me wrong, I am in broad agreement with the points that GJ makes and, as a bluenose wholeheartedly agree that rules are rules and shouldn't be bent for any team (mines included). The truth is that this 'half-hearted' approach will affect Celtic to a lesser degree than other teams, but it will affect nonetheless. It is also feasible that a newco debt-free team will be back in the SPL after one season and in a position to mount a serious challenge. ...

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Celtic never spoke out when the vote for Airdrie or Gretna took place in 2002...why should they comment on this ? They cast their vote when required, end of story Mrs E

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K-Dot my understanding is the oldco didnt have audited accounts for last year and that was one of the reasons they were fined £160,000, so to me that would say the oldco and the newco dont have the correct accounts for any membership.Macca

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Why do rangers newco fans want Peter Lawells words on this mess? Maybe they should be asking for david murrays opinion and the rest of the corrupt board(rangers men) that lead rangers to an early death. Are they not the one who caused this mess?

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12 Jul 2012 13:46:03
If sevco are allowed into div 1 then why don't we all petition our clubs to withdraw from the Scottish cup and or league cup to show how angry we are at the blatant cheating going on.

hail hail

Marco1888

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Did Celtic or Peter Lawwell on its behalf state any insistence that Rangers newco must start in Division 3 or merely in a lower league (than SPL)?

If we're voted into Division 1 it won't be of our own making but due to the need and hypocracy of others (SPL clubs, SPL, SFA etc).

It's so-called 'fans' like you and constant threats of boycotts that seek to take away the democratic rights of clubs to vote as they see fit..................

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The clubs are voting they are nearly all saying no to div 1 but the sfa and SFL are trying to put your sham of a club there. So if they are determined to undermine the vote then the voters have every right to voice there opinions and the best way to do that os in the sfa SFL pockets hence why all clubs should resign from the cups and see where the sfa SFL morals are then.

Hail hail

Marco1888

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Its a total stitch up!!this has been decided by the CORRUPT SFA well in advance of any meeting tomorrow,the newco will go straight into DIV1..I hope the non league teams who have fought for years too try to gain entry into the SFL,take legal action against the SFA!.Looks like scotland is more corrupt than zimbabwe,i have never been in favour of boycotts,but to hell with it,I hope every team boycotts the new entitys asbestos ridden ground...stevo

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Is that the asbestos-ridden EUFA 5-Star Category Stadium you're referring to Stevo?

Bottom line is - I (and many others) feel it's only right that we should BE ALLOWED to start in Division 3. Forget about blaming us, SFA, SPl for a moment and just consider this point.....if we are parachuted into Division 1 (which I don't think will happen) surely the SPL clubs should 'at the very least' voice their concerns or objections on a individual basis, the same as they published their 'no vote' for SPL entry. Before anyone tries to argue that it's an SFL issue and not SPL, remember it's the SPL teams who'll have to put up with newco being back in the SPL debt-free within one season (assuming promotion for finishing in the first three). They probably won't because they've all been privvy to what's going on - that why every SPL club statement EXCLUDED any reference to newco starting in the lowest division. {Ed007's Note - You do know UEFA stopped using the star rating for stadiums in 2006 don't you?}

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Its not like that would affect our club steeeeevoooo
trueblue

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Sorry Ed - that would then be formerly rated 5 Star stadium........that was completed long before the Taylor Report enforcement became mandatory.......... {Ed007's Note - The Taylor Report had nothing to do with UEFA ratings, it only covered UK stadiums and had no bearing on UEFAs ratings.}

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Nice to hear you AGREE that the Taylor Report was mandatory for UK stadia - including compliance with same by 1 August 1998.....................Perhaps you can also enlighten the Celtic fans on which club made no attempt to comply with the TR whilst all other clubs were spending money to meet the deadline? {Ed007's Note - Is straw clutching your nee hobby? The rebuilding of Celtic Park was completed during the summer of 1998, so who hadn't complied with the Taylor Report by August 1998?}

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12 Jul 2012 13:33:42
RIP JOE SAD ANOTHER GREAT PLAYER / MAN HAS GONE.

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12 Jul 2012 13:22:22
ED007 saw all the posts last night about tv deals and how Sly and others are shortchanging us.
I read an article about Erdivisie (Holland) they have encountered same problems as Scotland with poor television revenues.
Anyway, about 3 years ago they set up their own tv channel, subscription based, after a slow start they now have over 600,000 regular subscribers paying up to £18 per match, depending obviously on teams, importance etc...I also believe they have a much smaller monthly package.I am no accountant but say £10 month, based on 600,000 gives £6m a month £72m a year, ok say costs to run and pay staff is £42m that still leaves £30m a year for clubs to share.
So my point is, I remember our teams talked about an SPL channel, but smaller clubs went with Setanta to everyone's cost.
Surely, SFA/SPL etc must be looking at viability of this again. Doncaster, must start earning his big salary (and bonuses) set up a committee to explore all options.
Even Celtic TV, which is up and running, but very amateurish at present, could be modernised, made more professional, better equipment etc.. and rolled out to cover all SPL matches.
Surely it is not beyond our legislators to work out how many fans we need watching, at what price to beat Sly, ESPN etc..
Maybe some of our financial savvy guys on here can have a go at working out what SPL can make based on say 100,000 to start with.
I tried above with Dutch, but I am guessing on costs to run a channel, maybe our guys will be better equipped to work out Scottish costs.
Ok Bhoys/Ghirls lets have your thoughts? Timalloy

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In a business you don't just sit back and wait for problems. You should be looking at market opportunities to improve your situation.

These sad arses should have been doing just that instead of enjoying their prawn sandwiches and junkets.

GTF NOW - You've f*cked our game!

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12 Jul 2012 13:14:23
If Newco are allowed to enter Div 1 because of pressure on SFL clubs then a campaign should be launched to get rid off Doncaster, Regan and Longmuir.

New, fresh thinking is needed to sort out the whole of the Scottish game!

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I think the three amigo's have done enough already to warrent such action

bigD

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12 Jul 2012 12:51:17
I know I've commented on this before but I still cannot believe the SFL have to vote on whether to allow the newco Rangers into the league and to allow them straight into the First Division in EXCHANGE for a compromise with the SPL on league reconstruction. I see the current vote is 17-2 opposed but could easily change because of this.

I'm trying to not sound as if Im having a go at the 'newco rangers' but should there be any exchange. Is this not blatant bribery and blackmail ? What kind of assurances are the football bosses giving that should the newco be admitted, there will definitely be a reconstruction..which I have to add Im not opposed to.

This is just another major embarrassment, time someone with a bit of authority and not afraid to make decisions was in charge. Mrs E

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This has been bribery and blackmail from the outset and for me the only one with any power to do something about it are
uefa and they at present dont appear to be to interested this has been turned into
the biggest and most shameful episode in the history of scottish football by sfa,spl,sfl , scottish league, and rangers FACT.

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If sevco do get into div 1 they will then claim that they wanted div 3 but the other clubs forced div 1 on them because they need them so much. The only way this can be dealt with is for sevco to apply to the league along with other candidates an the decisión be made as normal. That way there are no future problems. If sky dont want our football who cares really ?
Yorkiebhoy

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12 Jul 2012 09:44:12
If this ridiculous vote on Friday allows the newco into Div 1 the only games I will attend are Celtic home games and away European games.As for tv money. I do not subscribe to Sky and if I am not able to get to a game I
listen to BBC sportscene. The commentators are much better than
anyone youll get on Sky or ESPN. jk

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I agree mate. To be honest I think Scottish Football is now a laughing stock because of them! It's a real shame for all the hard working Div 1 teams who will be pushed to one side to make room for, let's face it, "The Establisment"!. I still can't belive that they "walked away" from a mountain of debts and still have the arrogance that they are well known for. Disgracefull!

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12 Jul 2012 06:57:34
League re-construction? Dont make me laugh. The footballing authorities
in this wee country are a disgrace. This latest ploy is an absolute joke to make sure that the Newco are not properly punished but given every assistance possible to get back to the SPL asap. Wish we could find
a way to move from this backward place and join the English league. KM

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Like it or not, integrity or not ... fewer leagues with more teams is what the majority of scotland has been crying out for a long time... no fans really want a 10/12 team league .... regardless of how it comes about bigger leagues will be a massive benefit to the football in this country.

One of the problems with developing youth in our leagues are that due to the low numbers they are very very competitive ... due to the small number of teams in our leagues there is very little usually that seperates 3rd - 12th meaning its very tight for relegation or euro qualification, this in turn means that managers are less likely to bleed thro youth (cos it can be risky and tend to go for experience) which in turn is not good for developing players ... however a bigger league would mean there are a bigger range of teams in terms of quality (so teams will be guranteed safety but no europe and therefore not under the same pressure to get results and can take chances to give youngsters the exp.) it will also mean that teams in 3rd will get to play poorer teams (teams in 16th) and rest /bleed some new players in during these games.

the league setup in my eyes will benefit the game... another benefit is without gers u will replace 4 games with dundee or whoever ..... are you saying you'd rather play dundee 3/4 times a year along with the rest or play a bigger variety of teams 2 times a year? i know which is more interesting for me

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I think all of you need to have a look inward at your own board , P.L. in particular. Regan's his puppet and it looks to me like Gepetto has him dancing a nice little jig. I expect once the jig is up, there won't be much use for Pinochio but no doubt, he'll have a nice retirement package waiting for him
VHSS {Ed007's Note - Is Campbell Ogilvie part of this puppet show, or does he only work for who pays the best EBT deals? And here was me thinking it was CFC fans that were paranoid and conspiracy theorists.}

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Ed007) Don't think I'm guilty of being a Rangers conspiracy theorist but in this case, I am willing to stand by what I believe to be a lock solid case of conspiracy . Div 1 does not help Sevco but it does allow for continued abuse towards everything Rangers. This carry on we're witnessing with Regan's threats, serves Celtic the most by insuring that Celtic will financially dominate the Scottish game for many, many years to come. VHSS {Ed007's Note - How can it allow for continued abuse towards everything Rangers? Rangers are awaiting liquidation, they won't exist any more.}

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12 Jul 2012 11:36:31
Very saddened to hear of the death of Joe McBride

At a time when the word is so often wrongly used, Joe was a true legend.

86 goals in 94 games.

Condolences to the McBride family.

R.I.P.

K-Dot.

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Joe and some the Lisbon Lions legends helped me a couple of times raising money for charity.

Joe was a great, down to earth guy who didn't have a bad word to say about anybody - even us Jambos!

RIP Joe, a true gent

Jambo

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12 Jul 2012 11:20:39
You know what I hpoe this newco doesnt manage to get a team in any league next season after what I just seen! Apparently Henry McLeish thinks putting newco in division 1 is a fit and proper punishment? So according to him allowing a ne club entry into the league set up and handing them automatic promotion through 2 leagues is a fit and proper punishment for their oldco being corrupt?

I think not Mr McLiesh! A fit and proper punishment would be to demolish their asbestos ridden stadium, have the goons at the SFA take over Murray Park and use it as a youth training academy and never speak of the embarassment again.

Mikey Bhoy

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12 Jul 2012 11:06:56
12th of July hmmm somehow that date seems familiar....oh yeah is that not the date our good friends across the city were telling everyone they'll be exiting administration?

Mikey Bhoy

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12 Jul 2012 10:47:38
Rest In Peace Joe McBride Celtic Legend.

Sincere condolences. Thoughts and prayers with his family. Mrs E

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12 Jul 2012 08:44:25
ED007, is it true that Joe McBride has died?
If so my sincere sympathies to his family and friends.
Our Celtic family will mourn one of our great players. RIP Joe.... Timalloy {Ed007's Note - Yes Tim. Sadly it is true.}

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