Celtic Banter Archive August 12 2013

12 Aug 2013 23:23:12
Seems there has been no transfer activity before 11pm?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

12 Aug 2013 22:51:46
Not an expert in criminal law but a thought occurred to me, will there be any difficulty with Stokes getting a visa for Kazahkstan after getting arrested in Dublin?

G93 {Ed007's Note - He should be fine.}

Heeeeeee eeez niiiiiicccccccccccceeeeeee. He b fiiiinnnnnneeeee! Borat.

12 Aug 2013 22:06:57
Augsburg fc have made a 4.5 m euro bid for finnboggasilon apparently we are still in the running! Seen in twitter btw just letting the troops know lol

kieran

Tbh if that's true that's 500k more than what we were offering

12 Aug 2013 20:50:15
Seen the post about your op Bond. Good luck mate.Be back on your feet before you know it. Green jhedi {Ed007's Note - Thanks GJ.}

Hope everything goes well tomorrow mate . DH

Best of luck Ed with OP!
Taz

12 Aug 2013 20:15:48
Like everyone else I am hoping for some new faces before we meet Shakthar, but there is a very good article on Newsnow Celtic about our strategy on signings and on moving the club forward.
One of the surprising things I learned was that the club lost about £9m (yes NINE million) because of no Sevco games. Remember tickets for this game were £42 a pop, then less tv revenue, sponsorship and less gate money over the season contributed to this figure.
Then there is the running cost of a club like Celtic, we have virtually no debt now and all bills are paid on time.
The article goes on to say that with no CL monies we were running at a substantial loss until last season.
I was one of the people who also (wrongly now I have been shown) quoting our "£20" CL money and our "£20m" monies from transfers. We all forget the cost of running our great club.
The upshot is we depend on CL money to stay in the black, coupled with our signing policy of "buy cheap, sell dear"
If we buy a player like Finbogason, we must be sure the club are investing the money wisely and can recoup it by selling at a decent profit.
Our club is well run and although myself and all Celtic fans are desperate for new players, we must have faith that the guardians of our great club (and the purse strings) know what is needed and do what is best for Celtic Football Club in the long run. Timalloy

No way we lost £9m because of Rangers demise! 42k season tickets leaves 18k at £42 X two games a season which is roughly £800k. Tv money didn't go down by much and sponsorships are negotiated over a season and not game by game! Don't agree with that part of your post tim.

Briggs

I read the same article mate, its a real eye opener. Everyone on here moaning about Finboggason and no new players should give it a right good read.

Darrenbhoy

If we depend so much on CL money then why sell the spine of the team -knowing full well we had 3 qualifiers to play - without replacing our top striker and midfield dynamo?
If the necessity to reach the group stage is so important then why deplete the squad so drastically.
when it is clear to all of us that :-
1) We are short of sharpness so early in the season eg: Elfesborg tie.
2) we are carrying injuries and the new signings have not had a chance to settle.
3) We are missing a Hooper-like poacher as we missed plenty of excellent chances against Ross County.
Last year we sold Ki and could carry the loss, but we are asking much more this time; maybe too much?

Jungle Jim

According to Soccernomics blog we lost £2.1m last year by them not being in the SPL. He said the whole league was mad sending them down. I asked him if he felt £2.1m for a relatively easily guaranteed win of the SPL and a pretty much unfettered run at the CL and the opportunity to focus primarily on the European nights till December was value for money? I think he saw the light. :)

Gaz

The 3 CL rounds is a total red herring. Look at the positives of that earlier round this year. With no offense to Cliftonville it was a) 2 good competitive games b) a tie we should never lose and if we did didn't deserve to be in the competition the first place therefore c) a nice wee earner and d) a couple of ranking points added. That or two meaningless friendlies? A no brainer for me.

As the rounds go by we can add more players, bear in mind for the foreseeable future we will be going in via the Champions route and a high seeded champion at that. While anything can happen, the reality is we've been favourites to make it the last 2 seasons and will be next year too.

Gaz

These kind of posts are the kind of things holding our club back. People happy to buy what they read and keep going with blind faith. No way in Hell did we lose £9m from the South End zombie apocalypse!

Scotland's top football clubs are becoming more confident about their financial future, a leading consultant has claimed.

Charles Barnett, of BDO, said a large proportion of Scottish Premiership clubs believed they would be profitable in the coming year.

He also said revenues had not been adversely affected by the loss of Rangers.

Five of the 12 teams in the Scottish top flight took part in the survey.

It was carried out before the Scottish Premier League was rebranded the Scottish Premiership.

The BDO report, "A new dawn for fair play", questioned the finance directors of 66 teams from leagues in Scotland and England.

It said SPL clubs were more optimistic in terms of predicting profitability than English Premier League clubs.

Wage costs

In Scotland 60% said they would make a profit after player trading and depreciation, whereas in England's top league it was 42%.

Mr Barnett, professional sports group partner at BDO, said: "After a year in which both Hearts and Dunfermline Athletic fell into administration it is welcome news that a large proportion of SPL clubs believe that they will be profitable in the coming year."

He said there were "welcome" signs that clubs were making an effort to control wage costs but they still had some way to go.

"In actual wages 20% said they would spend the same with 80% stating they will spend less, " he said.

"The fans never like this but it must be the way forward if Scottish football is to remain viable in the future."

Mr Barnett said the biggest financial concern for Scottish clubs over the next 12 months was falling attendances due to the current economic climate, with the potential fall in TV income second.

He said it was too early to predict the financial impact of the change in the structure of Scottish football to the SPFL or the arrival of BT as a newcomer into the broadcasting market.

He said: "There are clearly some deep-rooted difficulties in Scottish football which may take some years to work through.

"The excesses of the last decade or so are still working their way through the Scottish football sector."

Mr Barnett concluded that many clubs continued to exist on a "financial precipice" where an unexpected additional expense might push them over the edge.

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BDO say otherwise.

12 Aug 2013 19:35:39
All the best with your op tomorrow Ed.Hope your nurse is a Hayley lookalike and she has a fondness for bed-baths.lol

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - Cheers mate.}

12 Aug 2013 20:47:58
All the best ed hope all goes well {Ed007's Note - Cheers Graham.}

Hope all goes well with your Op Ed007 and you are up and about soon. Best Wishes ~ Mrs E {Ed007's Note - Thank you.}

12 Aug 2013 21:23:40
ED007 did not know about your op tomorrow, hope all goes well (I would say "break a leg" but er not in this case lol)
If you want I can send you some of my jokes to cheer you up in hospital ha ha Timalloy
PS my business colleague wee Pat is willing to house sit for you mates rates of course. {Ed007's Note - Cheers Tim, but you can keep your jokes.}

Very best wishes ed!
andybhoy

Hope everything goes ok with your op ed
ramie1963

Wishing you the best with the op. TinyTim

A bit selfish of you ed we've got a week to sign a wild card and you'r swanning off on a jolly to the hospital. Be back pronto no malingering. all t best .mark {Ed007's Note - Believe me, I would rather be anywhere else than getting this done!! Thanks Mark, and everyone else for their best wishes.}

Ha ha tried to reply to a post earlier, didny quiet happen, ma thumbs felt like the size o Rab Douglas's lugs. Anyway.
Good luck on the op Ed, hope your up and about in no time, I think Wee Pat should stand in for a day or 2 :0 if your no up to it?

Bigbadjohn {Ed007's Note - Cheers BBJ. If I left Wee Pat in charge there would be no internet left, let alone this site.}

12 Aug 2013 14:17:59
5 mill is a big risk on a player, who is performing well at the moment, but may not be suited the scottish game, or fit in with the players we have, then you would hope he did become a sensation in the Larson mode and we could get maybe 10 mill when we sell him, its still a considerable amount of money and I would rather gamble an unearth a gem for a 1 mill or so, develop him and then make huge profit
if we do go for Finbogasson, I hope the fee is made up of add ons, such as qualifying for the group stages, so say 3.5 mill up front, and 1 mill for qualification, another 1 mill for last 16, and maybe 500k if we win the domestic treble, that way both clubs win

Is that you Peter Lawwell?

So you would rather spend 5 lots of £1m on 5 different youngsters as it's less risk?

In my opinion, there's less chance that they 5 players are going to be anywhere near as good as Alfie who's almost the finished article at the age of 24.

Agree with OP. 5 mill is a lot for a relatively unkown or tested player. We have bought players in the past that were on form and had a good record (brattbak, bangura, Rasmussen . etc) and the scottish game never worked for them. In contrast we have bought players off form or not with the best current form (henrik, sutton . etc) and the have turned out great buys. 3.5 upfront with addons would be good business if we can get him for that.

All transfers come with a risk, think this one could definitely be worth taking a chance on! Hope Celtic are going to try everything they can to bring him in if he wants to come to us, then again he could be waiting and hoping for English side to come get him! Not sure if any are interested anyone know?

We need a player for now not for next year a player that will hit the ground running and we are not going to get that from a player at £1m unless we get another Larson ( very doubtful ) to play and play well in champions league we need a player in the £3m+ category u get what you pay for!

@4) Agree mate and when it comes to strikers, strikers that can score goals the theory that you get what you pay for is 100% true.

Fact is you can pick up quality players in nearly every other position for low prices with a bit of luck or good scouting but when it comes to strikers you very, very rarely pick up quality strikers who score goals at a high level for buttons.

I agree with the poster on this one, 5 million is to much for us to be spending, larrson cost 650k did he not. All i'm saying is there are cheap players out there who could be great, victor is another example of this. spending 5 million on one guy isn't a MUST. I think if we can't beat this shaktar with what we have we really don't deserve champions league football.

Darrenbhoy

12 Aug 2013 13:28:02
Personally, I dont't think that we'll sign Finbogasson. £5m upfront, signing on fee, agents fee, wages, bonuses. I don't think that the club want to be burdened with that sort of expendeture, especially with the real lack of money that comes into the club from tv and sponsorship. Yes we have CL money, and money from transfers, but I think that for a team from Scotland to spend £5m on 1 player isn't feasable just now

Samson

Venturing £5m on getting two results and group stages and £22m might be a good shout.
Hey, with him we might even do better in Group stages and get through to last 16 again.

12 Aug 2013 12:50:08
Great news bhoys! Okay, since sevco are claiming to be the same team, and the media making them out to be the same team, guess what happens when they go into admin around Xmas time? Rules are if you go into admin twice in five years, you are deducted 25 POINTS. Even if its a new company, this still complies. Could the orcs win the league with 25 point deduction? Well, that's if they last the season. Great time to be a tim! Hail hail gandalf the green

If they continually get a penalty and an opponent sent off every week; who knows?

JJ

Good point JJ, I think Dunfermline are main rivals for them this season, they're slowly losing their h*nnish ways so hope they keep up till admin. But, we all know who pars manager is, could he do a Stuart McCall lying down to them? Who knows. Only time will tell.gandalf the green

The only body that matters is UEFA, and they do not recognise them as Rangers then and Rangers now, so worry not, they are the rules makers and the only ones that really matter, not the corrupt persons who skulk around the corridors of the SFA

If you think Dunfermline are the Manky Mobs biggest rivals for the league this season you are sadly mistaken. Dunfermline were left in the same mess The Rangers were the previous season and were forced to play basically an under 21 team at the end of last season due to their administration.So with the Manky mobs signings and Dunfermline's demise there is not any realistic challenge apart from the possibility of the Mankies going into administration again which believe it or not is more likely to happen than Dunfermline winning the title.

12 Aug 2013 11:31:51
If this Alfred Finnbogason is as good as some of the video's I have seen recently suggests, why don't we give them the £5M they are looking for, as that still gives us £250K in the bank from the Hooper sale, or are we going to wait until we get knocked-out of the Champions League next week before we panic buy?

It's always the same with us; selling players is seldom a problem, but we seem to haggle, bicker and hesitate- (sometimes the agents are to blame) -when buying and often we miss out.
When we sold the spine of the team, the potential replacements should have been identified and bids/fees should have been agreed ASAP.
The manager has had 3 CL qualifiers to negotiate and should not have to 'make do' while his team was being dismantled, albeit for vast profit.
Today seems to be tipped for new arrival(s) being unveiled, but nothing so far at 1pm; here's hoping?

JJ

12 Aug 2013 10:57:47
You have to laugh at the spin in the sun today "£10million in the bank and not a penny of debt"

lets see -
wages last year £10.3million(8 new players to be signed on September the 1st, so wages will be up considerably)

general running costs £2.7million( knowing gas/leckie prices that will go up year on year)

There's 2 outgoings and there are a MINIMUM £13million at previous spending, black hole of £3million so far.

Funny that there's no mention of any bonuses paid out to staff or players for last year
It must be some kit deal with sports direct to cover the short fall

Ps . Glad to see SDM only sold the club for £1, but manages to wangle £2.6million for the extras

12 Aug 2013 10:38:19
I see Celtic have made a token gesture in trying to sign the Icelandic player Finbogason. every one knows your club will not pay top dollar for any player, you always try and sign on the cheap.
Compare that to Rangers who always support their manager, they knew ally needed top class players so he was given the monies to sign 8 SPL standard players. the sign of a forward thinking club, unlike your penny pinching board at Parkhead.
Daly and Clark will be top scorers in whatever division they play in. Daly, in particular is just as good as Finbogason who has not been proven yet at the highest level.
RFC have proven in thepast we are willing to pay top dollar for great players and will continue to do so once this unjust transfer embargo is lifted in september.
I predict ally signing EPL standard players in january with our £10m warchest. Wee Bud from Clarkston

Back to sleep until the bucky fully wears off pal! sorry bud again! : )

"RFC has proven in the past"? that has brightened up my morning no end, that is why the old club was liquidated, as for the new club (established 2012), although not yet recognised by UEFA, they have not spent a penny on the merry mob of mercenaries, if you think RFC 2012 have £10m in the bank and no debt then you really are a fool, then again it goes with the territory, glad to see the banners have been removed, a step to finally facing the truth, I love a post from a deluded orc

Nostradamus can rest easy knowing there is more chance of his predictions bearing fruit.

Stick to collecting yer giro Bud your predictions are mince.

Frewbhoy.

PMSL :)

Is that you coming out of hiding wee fud. You haven't signed anyone yet. September is a long way of in The Rangers finance's so I would expect a few not to be signed.

The 8 players that you profess to have signed are freebies on high wages. How long will that last.

The Ducth league is harder than the SPL so he has proved himself their.

Where is the £10 million warchest as it was stated you only have £10 million in the bank.

Ian

Keep taking the pills wee bud ya mentalist mm

Pass me the oxegen tank that was priceless my poor rib cage is aching me
gally

12 Aug 2013 12:33:57
Wee Fud these are getting boring now mate.

G93

Wee Bud, if the day job ever goes wrong please be comforted with the knowledge that you have a very bright future as a highly amusing entertainer. You had me laughing so much there that I was struggling for breath!
Now go and have some jelly and ice cream and see what real success tastes like, there's a good boy!

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

You will be in administration again by the end of the year and those players will be sold off and you may well have to re-form as yet another replica team.

JJ

Bud! How many republic of ireland caps does 31 year old Daly have? Young alfie shafting him there already caps-wise, ., .kbarry

Words cannot sufficiently relay my thoughts at this post. Lol.

MgC

Don't worry bhoys.He'll be back in school in a couple of days.

Jungle Bhoy.

Somebody call an ambulance, this man is not well! we should not mock one who is so afflicted. 10 man brechin looked like liverpool to him. shame.

12 Aug 2013 09:56:24
There was a time when I looked forward to Celtic tv on Setanta. Now that's gone. I pay a lot of money to Virgin to get the ssn channels but refuse to subscribe to BT now that ESPN has gone. Would Celtic tv be an option for me as I am no longer able to get out to live games. Wish Celtic had broadcasting rights to be shown on TV. TJ

I was talking to my mate about that very thing. I gave up ESPN due to the amount of 3rd division games they favoured and refuse to pay extra for BT.
Can anyone tell me how to subscribe to Celtic TV as I can't find it on SLY?
Cheers;

Jungle Jim

Is celtic Tv not only for overseas fans?, ., .kbarry

12 Aug 2013 07:52:20
According to papers today Herenveen want £5m for Finbogason, can you blame them, Celtic held out for best price for both Wanyama and Hooper.
My point and a lot of others is this, Celtic knew Hooper wanted away last season, we should have this summer recruited someone like Finbogason and already had him in the team, BEFORE selling Hooper.
It is only natural that other teams are now going to ask top dollar knowing we have the money in the bank from previous deals. This is the only criticism we can make of Lawwell in that he has acted too slowly to bring in replacements.
The feeling is that he and the board despite making money last season from CL and this season from 3 transfers, have waited until we at least qualified for Europa League guaranteeing a minimum of another £5m plus gate monies and sponsorship. Timalloy