Celtic Banter Archive April 12 2016

12 Apr 2016 20:26:53
Good Evening everybody I have been considering our options for the next few seasons. RD is not the man to move us forward his record in europe is terrible and the performance at home is average at best. His player selection and buying very poor. the good points are his development of young players and he would have made an excellent youth coach and should we decide to bring in a new manager we could make him work out the last yearof his contract with the youths. As for a new manager i personally would like to see Moyes with Houston and Clarke/ Black as his assistants but that combination might be too expensive. Others could be an experenced European coach with a similar scottish coach ak Jansen and Macloud.

12 Apr 2016 21:00:29
Says RDs record in Europe is terrible, then suggests Moyes and Clarke with no hint of irony. Brilliant.

12 Apr 2016 22:07:51
I think it is reasonable to say most true Celtic fans consider us beating Sevco on Sunday as our top priority at this stage . Believe it or not someone decides this week is the right time to discuss Ronny's long term future .
The idea thinking of the MSSM but how the hell a Celtic supporter would want to create division in the thinking of fans is hard to imagine .

12 Apr 2016 23:25:27
The number of people on this page who lay claim to knowing what does/ does not constitute a true fan is staggering.

13 Apr 2016 09:00:18
Why's it staggering everyone should be able to make up their own mind what makes a true fan. You might not agree but I'm sure you have your opinion and why not vent it on a fan forum especially when people don't want to go to see Celtic or even watch them in a semi. Try to remember it's just an opinion not necessarily a fact to everyone.

13 Apr 2016 09:40:11
Ridiculous statement. I could say anyone who's name is Jim can't be a real fan because it's short for James. Which, to be clear, is nonsense.

My opinion was that it's no ones right to tell another Celtic fan what does and doesn't make them a "true fan".

I'll bow to your superior knowledge though. You should hook up with Paradisewon and Old Bhoy, and school us all in the error of our ways.

13 Apr 2016 09:59:26
in a free society it is right to have a differing opinion provided it's not libellous or malicious which could have repercussions in law. But I don't think it's over stepping the mark people expressing what they believe is a true fan or not and again I reiterate its not to say anyone is right or wrong it is an opinion. To me someone who goes as often as they can or does their best to support Celtic via tv radio etc is a true fan and someone who sits in the house and could go but can't be bothered because it's raining or corrie is on is just a fan. You might not be able to make an opinion on your own but most people can wether They are right or not is irrelevant.

13 Apr 2016 10:47:50
The irony of your whole retort is brilliant. Well done.

13 Apr 2016 11:17:15
I'll have my final say on this, you find it staggering how many fans claim to know what a true fan is or isn't which is clearly someone opinion. Can you tell me why someone shouldn't have an opinion? Ps you have the right obviously not to give me your opinion.

13 Apr 2016 11:32:45
"Claiming to know", is not an opinion.

My finding the above staggering, is an opinion.

Your entire response, argument, defence, is that (to paraphrase) people can think/ say what they want because "it's their opinion" - as long as it's legal.

Not only does that stance mean you have nowhere to go intellectually (with regards to a debate) , but it renders your entire response redundant- because you're defensively replying to an opinion, to claim that everyone is allowed an opinion. If you really believed that, you wouldn't have replied. Like I said, nowhere to go.

13 Apr 2016 12:22:22
Sorry to have to reply but if you can't understand people claiming to know things on a fan forum is an opinion in most cases then God help you.
Many fans are claiming to KNOW we will beat rangers on Sunday. Do you regard this as a fact or an opinion as I'm sure they knew we would beat Clyde Morton etc? It's my opinion we will win on Sunday but I can't claim it to be a fact can I?

{Ed007's Note - Well it's a fact that it's your opinion. :=o

13 Apr 2016 12:50:01
Poeticpatient, when people come on this site and say Ronny needs another 2 or 3 years to get it right at Celtic, doesn't it bother you that they aren't stating facts, only I never see you coming on and telling them that. Why should they be able to come on here and tell us Ronny will be such a great manager when there is absolutely no evidence of that.
It seems with you that providing you agree with someone's opinion they can say what they like, but if you don't agree with them they must state facts not opinions.
If you are going to be a smart arse, you should be it with everybody, not just the posters you disagree with.

13 Apr 2016 15:08:35
Jim- If you can't understand the difference between people having an opinion and people claiming to know XY and Z then, again, there is little point in continuing this discourse. (and your examples are as ludicrous as they are erroneous)

Gerry- A few things:

Firstly, I never said, anywhere, in this thread that people can't have an opinion.

Secondly, I don't know what point you are trying to make regarding Ronny and my (supposed) opinion of him, but kudos for managing to somehow bring him into this.

Thirdly, your whole post is based on a misconception. You have either assumed my original position, misconstrued it, or just plain can't read. You can go off on what X seems like to you, and what Y means, but if you have missed the point entirely, it matters little. Which you have, so it does.

So, if you are going to be a smart arse, try reading the original post first.

And for both you and Jim, let me spell this out for you because this is becoming tedious:

-Alot of people on this board feel like they have the right to tell fellow fans what does/ doesn't make them a true fan.

-X posted such a comment, another in along list this week.

-I find this ridiculous.

-They have the right to that opinion.

-I do not agree with it. I don't believe any of us have the right to tell another fan he isn't a true fan.

-I posted as such.

-The end.

At no point did I say people don't have a right to an opinion. The only time I mentioned the word was in response to Jim, and his posts. This whole thread is based on you both claiming people are right to an opinion, whilst attempting to take me to task for mine. Like I said, irony.

I have said this ad nauseam: I don't mind getting into a debate about an opinion, supposition or the like, but I spend more time on these boards trying to fight fires that don't exist because people either can't, or won't read posts properly; they get so caught up in what they want to say, they don't stop and think about whether or not they should. I don't mind being wrong - but I won't be misrepresented. Not by you, not by anyone.

But whatever. Good luck to you both.

13 Apr 2016 16:09:50
Poeticpatient, I suggest you read Jim's original post, I can't see where he says his opinion is fact. You don't have to agree with his opinion, but he's perfectly entitled to give it.
Jim said originally that everyone is entitled to make up their own mind on what makes a true fan, he went on to say that it would only be an opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to disagree with it and have your own opinion.
I must be missing something but what on earth is wrong with that.
ED 007, gives his opinions on fans who go to Champions league games but not Europa league games, do you think it's right that as a Celtic fan he should tell fans that they are not good fans because they only go to certain games and not others.
What's the difference?, I don't see you coming on and having a go at him. I think that ED has every right to his views whether I agree with him or not, that's the point of this site.
As I said before, if you're going to be the smart arse then be consistent, come on and have a go at ED as well as Jim.

13 Apr 2016 16:15:16
This is what I hoped wouldn't happen . Our thoughts this week should be concentrating completely on beating Rangers/ Sevco. Instead we have approximately 14 different thoughts on our club and the beating of Sevco seems far down the list, we are more concerned about getting our own simple and totally irrelevant post, in the week that's in posted.

13 Apr 2016 16:30:39
Honestly Gerry, how many times can I question your ability to read before you get it? Even I think I'm sounding patronising now - and believe it or not, that was never my intention.

If it's the last word you want, here it is, gift wrapped. Have it. We don't need to keep doing this but if we do, PLEASE read the posts before commenting. You are having a debate with yourself, refuting points that don't exist.

13 Apr 2016 19:16:12
Poeticpatient, I can read perfectly well, and what I read is you saying you don't agree with Jim that people should have a view on what makes a true supporter, yet when other people that you want to suck up to say it there isn't a peep out of you.
By the way, my opinion (if it's okay with you to have one) , is that if you have to resort to questioning peoples literacy because you don't agree with them, it just shows how hollow your arguments are.

13 Apr 2016 20:48:53
Okay so are we agreeing that either you can't read, or that you are unwilling to? Seeing as nothing you have said there actually has any basis in truth, and your refusal to even consider what I am saying, I can only assume it's one or the other.

Why don't you either go find something I've written on this thread that supports anything you've said and share it -- which right off the bat is going to be difficult given that Jim replied to me, not the other way about -- or better yet, continue to make up whatever you want, then respond to it as suits, amongst yourself. If it's the latter, then all the better if this exchange happens in the privacy of your own home. Deal?

14 Apr 2016 13:03:10
I agree with the Poet. Self Anointing yourself as the arbtrar of the constituent requirements for real fandom, is so conceited it's embarrassing

It's like me claiming that because I live my life in a certain way, then if you don't, your life is somewhat of lesser value.
That level of unintelligent train of thought not only is insulting, but it's bull.

Have any opinion you want, but when you make a statement, or throw an accusation based purely on your self righteous belief you know the truth and question someone's commitment, purely on your terms of reference, you show yourself to be less than logical or rationale.

Look at me, I'm a super fan.

You're no, because you don't do what I do. That makes me a better fan. I love Celtic more than you. I love Celtic more than anybody.

I am Celtic.

The truth is we are all Celtic and each if us responds to that in our own way.

Who is anyone to dictate what it should look like? Then worse, denigrate others who don't do as you do, or think as you think?

As I said, self ordained high apostles of the creed.

Support our team anyway you can and to me you're a Tim.

That's all you need to do.

14 Apr 2016 19:44:47
Magicpole, If a fan can't afford to go to matches, or has ill health, then nobody would criticise them for not going to the matches, but you know that a lot of fans just can't be bothered unless we're playing Barcelona or Bayern Munich.
If a fan has the money and the time to go to matches, but chooses to stay at home and watch TV, then I'm sorry but I don't think that they are as committed as the ones who turn out in midweek against Raith Rovers, or on mothers day against Morton.
Quite why you shouldn't say it I can't imagine.

15 Apr 2016 14:36:35
It might be that the level if entertainment us so poor. That the manager keeps playing players out if form. That the miney he or she does have may be tight so choosing what to do, go to the game and leave raging, or go out with your partner.

Or your pals. That doesn't make you less than any other fan but it does send a message to the board that we ain't happy.

Are you saying anyone who doesn't go doesn't have the right to try to getter their club by sending a message?

If we all turn up and give them our money it presence it validates what they are doing.
Emoty stands tell a true story and one that needs conveyed.

I could say that you religiously turning up keeps them in position and elongates the time before change happens.

But, I wouldn't say you were less of a Celtic man. I would say you made a choice and I would respect that choice.

That's why I can't say that.

12 Apr 2016 13:15:42
Attention timalloy and all other gamblers.

There's an offer on tonight from a bookmaker (whose name is the amount of days in a normal year) for the Man City v PSG game which is no lose.

Bet up to £50 before the game and they'll give you a risk free bet up to the value of your stake for in play.

So bet on something with only 2 outcomes such as both teams to score in the first half. Put the worse of the 2 odds on before the game and put the better of the 2 odds as soon as it kicks off, you can't lose.

I think that's correct anyway.

12 Apr 2016 15:54:57
JimTim, that's one way of doing it but it can quite often yield quite small amounts of winnings.

The trick some of my mates use is to put the £50 on a young player who's only there to sit on the bench as first scorer a few days before the game (Christopher N'kunku for PSG v Chelsea is one I can remember) . By the day of the game that player has usually been taken off the first scorers list and the initial £50 bet is classed as void and they get it refunded. This means that the £50 free in-play bet can be put on a correct score or BTTS etc. to gain a much bigger profit.

It's not 100% that the first scorer bet will be voided before the game and it's also not 100% that he won't get on the pitch at 0-0 but it would be pretty unheard of.

12 Apr 2016 16:35:02
Jimtim and Kevbhoy this is far too complicated for an old f@rt like myself, ED007 please help explain the mathematics behind it to me and other posters on here lol.

{Ed007's Note - Oooffttt! No chance mate, it all goes over my head as soon as something isn't like 4/1 or 5/1 with odds.}

12 Apr 2016 16:56:08
Take double chance option and bet either team to win then with the free bet take the draw if either team wins u get a small profit if your lucky and its a draw be a nice return for your £50.

12 Apr 2016 17:01:13
Interesting that kev bud, might keep an eye on a situation like that in future. Tonight is the 3rd time i'm on this deal, so just thought I would share to those who might not have seen it. The first time I won a tenner (better than a kick in the sack) and the second time I won 150. Virtually the same odds tonight for BTTS in 45'. But the beautiful side is i'm not risking anything essentially. Now I've mentioned it no doubt somebody will score in the first few seconds before I've had chance to put the in play bet on.

12 Apr 2016 17:01:49
Tell you what Tim, you provide the tips and leave the rest to me. 50/ 50 split haha.

12 Apr 2016 16:35:02
Jimtim and Kevbhoy this is far too complicated for an old f@rt like myself, ED007 please help explain the mathematics behind it to me and other posters on here lol.

{Ed023's Note - Funnily enough a few months back, I was instructed to do the bet JimTim is referring to - I never bothered though.}

12 Apr 2016 17:10:26
Ha ha ED007 I got into trouble with the maths geeks on here a while back by putting up a tip regarding extra time, my thinking went that if you bet on BOTH teams in extra time and BOTH teams on penalties, once game entered extra time because these odds were so big at start of game, no matter the outcome you would come out ahead money wise, several "geeks" pointed out the error of my ways but somehow I DID come out on top when I tried this bet for real in a CL game. But back came the maths experts saying I was lucky and most times you lose.

{Ed007's Note - You always seem to do well with your bets. I really don't get why you get the grief (and disagrees lol) you get.}

12 Apr 2016 17:59:17
Ooft Ed, I think it beginning to dawn on you exactly who hits Timbo's disagree button I have only been pointin' it out for donks (y)

12 Apr 2016 18:18:46
Gotcha ED007 I have it in writing you state I "always do well with me bets" lol
As for the grief, I just suck it up, I put myself out there to be shot at and I enjoy annoying all the anonymous disagrees, some of the disagrees are people who dislike gambling those I get and respect their opinion the others just disagree with me for the sake of it, besides counting all my winnings take up much of my time (I WISH)

12 Apr 2016 18:31:46
I'll try and explain it for u Tim its called a risk free bet therefore if u play it simple like the option I posted above u will be guaranteed a profit

You have to place a pre match 50 quid bet on the selected match on offer once the match starts they will give u a in play bet to cover your initial bet so u can't lose if you do it wisely

There is loads a ways to turn a profit just need to find the way that suits u best to maximise your profit.

12 Apr 2016 19:12:34
Used tims tips once and got £50!
Hail hail timalloy.

12 Apr 2016 19:21:22
Doing similar in a different account but on who will qualify, for better 'guaranteed odds'.

12 Apr 2016 19:27:40
Actually don't take the to qualify option. My mate here seems to think I won't be able to select to qualify in play. Is this correct Ed023?