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11 Sep 2014 23:38:35
See a few posts on this about independance recently and the crucial decision we have to make regarding scotlands future.
Just thought I would express my condolonces to the people of USA on the anniverary of 9/11. My heritage on my mums side is american and it is truly one of the most devastating events known to mankind.
My thoughts are with all those who suffered that day
11 Sep 2014 21:09:11
Tonev struggled to make the breakthrough at Villa last season and has had a frustrating time since switching to Celtic.
"He is training, he looks very good but still feels something in his groin, " Ronny Deila explained today. "We will see what we are doing, we can't take any chances but he is near to making his debut."
11 Sep 2014 15:37:12
Just to query, if offered a few places in EPL, would any fans be tempted to vote No in upcoming referendum.
I would vote for Ally McCoist to become Prime Minister if it got us into EPL!
Absolutely not; my vote will be based on a lot more than football - although the way the threats and promises are flying about I would not be surprised if someone actually tried this lol.
Anyway I automatically associate The EPL with SLY and they are a 'shower' and no friend of Celtic.
JJ
{Ed007's Note - If you are basing your vote on which football team you support or what religion you are then you're too stupid to vote. Any decent minded Scot should be appalled at the low-life vermin and scum who are attached to the No campaign.}
11 Sep 2014 18:44:17
Coming from the northern part of Ireland, I would love the opportunity to vote on independents.Hope you scots grab it with both hands and free yourselves from the warmongering Westminster and friends.
I will never get that chance in my time over here.
Go for it!
ED
I know tonnes of no voters and they are not low life or vermin for that matter
{Ed007's Note - Lucky you, I tend not to mix with Tories, wannabe Tories, UKIP, the BNP, the EDL and the Orange Order, but each to their own.}
@ed that mob will always linger around no matter what way vote goes. They won't disappear
{Ed007's Note - That's not what we're talking about, we're talking about the type of people and organisations that are attached to the BetterTogether campaign, I've been against those organisations, their principals and everything they stand for for nigh on 40 years, do you really think I could be on their side over anything?Their intolerance has been a curse of our country, they are a poison in our society and they won't be happy until we lie broken and under their control.
Look what happened the last time we upset them by having a vote on independence in the 70s, we got 11 years of Thatcher, that witch nearly broke our country's spirit and it's only since independence reared it's head we have started realising that our spirit never really died, it was only in a deep slumber.
Nobody can give you freedom, nobody can give you equality or justice or anything - if you're a man, you take it.}
@ed you have got total wrong end of stick with what I said son
{Ed007's Note - I knew what you meant, bud, no matter what happens they will still hang about like the school bully after you've chibbed him, whimpering like a bitch and looking for sympathy... BUT if we vote YES, they won't have the power to do anything, and that's got to be better for everyone with any sense of decency. It goes against everything I know and believe in to side with those groups I mentioned, it's time for Scotland to leave the historical despot behind and join a forward thinking modern world, if we do the right thing next Thursday we as a nation will be held up as an inspiration for generations to come from all over the world.
We have a fantastic chance to not only change our own lives but to change the world for ever, why should we agree to be ruled by a foreign country?
Throughout history men and women have fought, spilt blood and died to free their country from foreign rule and oppression, all we have to do is tick the 'YES' box next week.
They fear us because we are evolving faster than they can control. We can no longer exist in their world of fear. It is time to make our own change. Now is the time to make our stand. There is no ONE right answer, our resistance must be as colorful as the spectrum. You can only disturb the hive so much before you get stung! The people will only take so much! You can no longer contain us! We are just getting warmed up!}
12 Sep 2014 10:12:21
I'm Irish and have been observing the debates, polls and spin with keen interest. However a football page is not the forum for discussing politics in all due respect. I understand the historical significance of the referendum vote for your Country, passions are running high and very soon you can exercise your right to vote. In the meantime I would prefer to be reading opinions on our Club. No offence intended to anyone.
12 Sep 2014 10:36:26
Football like everything else will be affected by the vote, so it could easily be argued that it is topical. I do see the point but I agree wholeheartedly with Eds sentiments.
My vote will reflect my hatred of having to tolerate Heath, Thatcher, Major and Cameron for a huge part of my adult life when my Country never voted for them; and their policies destroyed industries and punished us for our defiance.
Many are voting 'No' because they don't want to sell their union jack on Ebay.
Couldn't agree more Ed don't understand why or how anyone can possibly entertain the thought of voting no Think there could be a job for Ed to lead this country when we get the Yes vote after that speech!
Campsie bhoy
12 Sep 2014 07:52:53
I totally agree with all you said. Keep up the great work Ed.
{Ed007's Note - Thanks mate.}
Jesus Ed are you Alex Salmond in disguise then again don't think Alex Salmond could give such a passionate speech. Anyway from one YES voter to another good on you chap
The Happy Turnkey
{Ed007's Note - Some things just need to be said, HT, and it's up to all of us to use any means available to get the message out.}
11 Sep 2014 11:12:03
Seen a few things written about sky / European leagues / Atlantic Leagues etc so I though I would add my bit!
The BEST outlet I see on the horizon for Celtic is via next year's BIDDING WAR for the epl tv right's I really hope SKY lose there position to Virgin/BT's combined pack! They have every chance now as they have lost there CL rights as of next season
Very recently Rupert Murdoch bought controlling rights to SKY Germany an SKY ITALIA (even though he owned the "lion's share" already)!
He has the rights to Spanish football (but not Italy or Germany!) but has the monopoly on there TV!
If and it is a BIG IF IMO Sky has just introduced wait for it "ssn 6 THE HOME OF EUROPEAN FOOTBALL" They have not did this for nothing if they lose the rights I expect this Mogul Murdoch to try and create some form of "SUPER LEAGUE" I agree at this juncture it is a long shot, but sky's subscription is broadly based around sport!
The biggest threat to "domestic football" has/is always been a European league it is why the CL was born!
Years ago there was the G20 (football clubs) we were apart of that when it was diluted to G14 we were obviously not, given our fan base, size, devotion to our club and the subscription ie the fact that we would struggle to get to "more than a couple of away games" due to costs makes it more appealing to them IMO
A twenty team league could see us invited!
Am sorry but I cannot see any real challenge on the horizon domestically unless we go seriously BACKWARDS! and none of us wants that!
ATVB
Jamie, check out the league positions. We have problems and I fear we have become complacent
Hi TinyTim, been vocal on here about complacent things have become and the weird things have become even in this transfer window! CG aside we have brought in a decent young centre half, THREE players that appear to play in the one position! and now TWO strikers (which is FINE if he is going to play the TWO of them at the SAME time), bout would appear he only wants to play 1 up front
In fact maybe this could be a poll of the day? Do we want to go through this season playing with ONE striker up front? A certainly don't!
ATVB
The point is we have 9% of the population of the UK so in my opinion sky should be giving Scottish football at least 9% of what they give English Leagues but that is far from the truth your argument could go the same for English subscribers to Sky all is asked for is a fair share of Income not asking for the same as English leagues but 9% seams fair way to share out
Tony2bhoy a made no attempt to counter your point and in actual fact if you wanted to make a better case for your argument my friend the biggest PPV event ssn have ever had (Football wise) was the Old firm game that Andy Thom scored that goal from way way out!
A think we had a good thing from Sky at the same time MON was around, the "powers at be" plumped for the Setanta route with the promise/allure of more only to have to go back "cap in hand" to sky!
Celtic/Rangers tried to get more of the "Scottish Pot" only for the rest of the leagues Chairman resigning leaving them effectively know one else to play!
Sky for sure are only interested in the EPL contract at this juncture let's hope they lose it
ATVB!
Jamie sorry if that sounded like I was taking a pop at you I was just making my point over how I feel about sky
No Probs Tony ATVB :-)
11 Sep 2014 10:16:59
Haven't posted for a few weeks as I have just finished reading one of Paradisewons posts! Really looking forward to seeing how the new signings fair over the next few weeks, particularly the new strikers. It would be great to see a 30 goal striker back on the park.
I know…i get carried away sometimes!
11 Sep 2014 11:16:45
I'm only pulling your leg mate lol.
11 Sep 2014 07:02:22
Ed - I'm going to admit that I'm not sure of the current advantages and disadvantages of the current 'transfer window' compared to how it previously worked?
I'm not keen on the hype of deadline day or the way we are left with panic buys but then the Club has to take some of the blame for panic buying I suppose.
I just don't really remember how the previous system worked?
{Ed001's Note - under the previous system, a club such as Crewe, who had a strong youth policy, could bring through a player and only had to sell when their budget forced them to. Often this meant towards the end of a season, when a new youngster had been starring and raised his price up to a higher level, plus done enough to keep them up amongst the reaches of what is the Championship in England now. If they had a good cup run, they would not need to sell anyone at all, and could hang on to their best players for another season.
Under the transfer window system, they know they don't quite earn enough to go through the season, but they also know they can't just sell when they need to as the window prohibits that. So they are forced to sell before the season kicks off, meaning the price isn't as high and they don't get the use of them for a large chunk of the season. Since the window system was put into place, Crewe, with probably the best youth academy in English football, has spent most of its time in League 2. They even considered scrapping it, as they are unable to afford it any more.
Big clubs like Liverpool benefit from the window system, as, like this summer, players at the smaller clubs will force their way out to get a move, knowing a chance might not come up again. The price will not be as high as it could be, because the player is forcing the move reducing the price they can ask for.
It is just like FFP - a move designed to make big clubs bigger at the expense of the smaller. For a team like Celtic, once among the richest, but now struggling in a weak league, it holds you back from being able to build a consistent strong team. You are buying players knowing that they will move on as soon as they get a chance, because they can't afford to wait on the next window. It puts you at a disadvantage for long term planning, which means you can't then build a team that can really challenge consistently in Europe.}
11 Sep 2014 16:52:40
the problem with Uefa is that it it is run solely for the benefit of five countries with the biggest TV audiences and the TV companies that hold the viewing rights. In doing so they have completely devalued the achievements of these clubs and the whole competition in general. I know it might sound like green coloured specs but, at least when we won it you had to be at your best in every round. Now with four champions?? From each country and all that seeding crap, the same teams will keep winning until the rest of Europe,s fans get bored and stop watching. If we are not in it, I really can,t be arsed watching it any more.As for FIFA, they are just the same on a bigger scale.
Chasa I've had this conversation many a time, the 2 Clubs in last seasons Champions League final were not Champions.
With the transfer system, Celtic used to pride themselves on homegrown talent and did win the European Cup this way but completely different period and more than a lifetime ago for most of us. I know at lot of our fans would like to see more youth players but they aren't good enough at all (okay, that's just my opinion). It took us until Larsson to replace Dalglish and Jimmy Johnstone - 20 years but the chances of us seeing these players again are slim.
Celtic don't have huge TV revenue and do rely heavily on transfer fees and European football. I don't envy their job trying to balance the two.
I suppose with the current transfer system v the previous system then yes, the old system would be of more benefit. At present, if we did have anyone decent they would force a move to a better league.
I would actually like to see Celtic rip up their youth system and start again, its the only way forward.
Mrs E I agree with what you say about ripping youth system up and starting again. They done it in belgium and look at where they are now.
Ive said on this before i'm of belief its alright having a team full of superstars on pitch, but if the right coaching system is not in place its a pointless venture.
Can see Tony Watt developing far beyond what he would of at celtic.
11 Sep 2014 23:40:45
Back to the current transfer system, the same top clubs are sucking the life out of the rest of Europe. By having the two windows, all the on form players are set up to be cherry picked by a few ,teams and no-one else is given a chance until they have had their fill. In the past you half a chance of finding some relatively unknown and nicking in before anyone else noticed. I know you still can but it is becoming rarer, especially with agents using teams like us to hopefully get noticed by someone with more cash!
DN I don't think Celtic have anything to lose by starting all over, we definitely seem to have lost our way a good wee while ago.
Chasa, I've never really gave much thought to the current transfer system but this waiting until the last day is not good. We can't compete in the 'get the player at any cost' bracket (and that can mean Ross McCormack £11m). Celtic have enjoyed a bit of luck recently in transfers with Wanyama etc but its come at a cost where the fans are very unhappy. The Club need to find a better balance I reckon.
11 Sep 2014 00:00:38
SKY point
The idea that SKY should reallocate monies to scotland away from england is a little misguided and here is the reason why.
punters in scotland purchase ssn for LOTS of reasons, and thus you cannot say that we are BUYING prime time access to Scottish football
many, many, many people now purchase ssn because of golf, english football and other sports .
in other words, it is far too simplistic to say 800,000 people in scotland pay £50 per month (£600 per year) or put another way.£480,000,000 (£480m!) and they are paying to watch scottish football .they clearly are not!
What has happened is that as money has poured in to the EPL, we have been diverted to the EPL and many (many many!) have forgotten about Scottish football. The pundits on the radio last week said the reason people tune in to the EPL is because it is so much better, but how did it get so much better? It got the benefit of the doubt before a ball was kicked and was given the money .
The EPL has grown as a result
The only way to work out if the SPL is getting a raw deal is to somehow work out how many of the 800,000 would walk away from SKY if current Scottish football coverage either "stayed the same, was diminished further or disappeared". if 750,000 would still purchase ssn then that would tell us (and SKY) that our consumption of SKY has nothing to do with scottish football and more to do with other sports and the EPL
SKY will broadcast what they think people want to watch.
Glasgow Celtic's future is ONLY in an atlantic league or "by invite" to the EPL.
think about the changes to the SPL that would be required to make it even half relevant .
for example.
If there was a Dundee United (and a new stadium) and if Aberdeen were bought over by Sir Ian Wood (ha!) and expanded their stadium, and if the 2 edinburgh club's attracted two big sugar daddies and ground shared at Murrayfield, and if Celtic and Rangers got their act together .we would have 6 decent teams and 4 to 6 duffers. who will never get beyond "community club" status .fact
good stadiums
good crowds
teams with actual robust turnovers who can buy a player and keep a player
that will draw sponsorship and interest . and TV money inevitably
but it isn't going to happen as far as I can tell.
Celtic need to find a new arena to compete in to stay remotely relevant
I think we need to fix what we have Paradise.
I do not like the idea of an Atlantic league at all and the English are not going to allow Celtic to join in the foreseeable.
Scotland is a seperate footballing nation and I would like it to stay that way.
Sure compared to Germany, most English teams are very reliant on TV money but its all hypothetical if Sky did suddenly disappear.
Mrs E
can you enlighten me please…how do we fix what we have (i know you will believe that fixing is the job of others…) but I am curious about what you would propose to mend our game, and by mending I mean a healthy, attractive, relevant, widely consumed, sponsored sporting spectacle …
what would you do?
{Ed001's Note - would it not be most important of all to have real close competition? Split the money as equally as possible to enable as many teams as possible to compete. Sorry, I know you didn't ask me, but just thought the answer seems simple. The reason Scottish football is not interesting to neutrals is the lack of any real chance of other teams sustaining a challenge to Celtic.}
Ed, if we did that, would the other teams spend the money and if they did, would they get more fans and better sponsorship…
the point I am making is that the critical measure is about "consumption", IE how do we consume the national sport, how connected are we, how immersed are we, what is the monetary link between interest, participation etc
we are not consuming our national sport at anywhere near the same rate …
and then there's TV…
england is cannibalising our game (too much money) and is prepared to pay above average wages for below average players to make up the squad numbers for their 1st teams, meaning that these same below average players (who are half decent in other below standard leagues) leave a gaping void in various national leagues, leading to further deterioration
the US have their salary cap approach and "the draft" and it works beautifully albeit the NFL is not up against other countries with competing american football offerings and it has a 300,000,000 population and huge interest out with the US….
football is in every country and players will go wherever they need to go to maximise their earnings (you know its a short career ED!)
{Ed001's Note - bit every team would lose their better players, if that happened, so they would all be able to strengthen the same. If they have sense, they will increase the money into the youth academy and produce their own talent. So long as there are 4 or more teams capable of competing at the top each season, then you have an exciting league. If you only have 2, or worse just 1, it becomes irrelevant to neutrals. There is no real underdog to enjoy getting in amongst them. You are right, Scotland can't compete financially, it will never be able to attract the best players, so it has to concentrate on producing them and making the product as closely fought as possible. Even the most cash rich league won't be interesting if the product on the pitch is just a case of one team running away with it. Such as F1, when one man walks away with the title continously without challenge, the viewing figures drop massively. Alternatives such as the BTCC, which are much less financially capable, make a massive headway into viewing figures due to the close racing involved. They aren't the best cars or drivers, but they have a more entertaining product, a lot of the time, so they are able to compete effectively to maintain interest.}
Paradise Yeah, I do think some are being paid a very handsome wage to run Scottish Football.
There has to be competition for a start, a bit start to make it attractive and by that I’m not say football Clubs that are badly run or a financial basket case (even by football standards) are allowed special treatment.
A cash injection from ala Chelsea, Man City style would be good however this league is competitive and attractive to these type of investors. Look what happened when Hearts had Mad Vlad and Rangers Mad Murray.
I do not know the ins and outs or the logistics of running a National football association or a Club but, yes I do think those who take a wage have to take responsibility. As a fan, all I can do is buy a ticket and some merchandise.
Our game has been on the decline for years and to be fair Hampden did come up with a reconstruction plan which was rejected so there is a part where how can you help a footballing nation who won’t help themselves.