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11 Jul 2015 17:35:37
Does anyone know if a season ticket covers the qualifier next week, or if season ticket holders still have to buy a ticket?
{Ed007's Note - STs cover it buddy, that and the Rennes match on the 25th July are included.}
11 Jul 2015 18:13:13
Cheers Ed was checking for my Dad, he'll be chuft with that
{Ed007's Note - (yes)
11 Jul 2015 14:52:20
Dear All,
I just wanted to say how fortunate/lucky we are to have this well-administered site. All views, no matter the viewpoint, are promptly listed and debated and it is a cracking example of how a fans forum should operate.
The more we post and debate, the more inclined I am to pop on and see what's what. Our Ed has some very "fixed" ideas on the rights and wrongs of our club's workings and the abilities (or lack of) of certain players and that, in itself, makes for a colourful debate, Ed never being shy to weigh in with his customary dose of sarcasm!
At the end of the day, its all about varying points of view, but this forum provides me with a phenomenal barometer of "where we're at" as a fan base in terms of mood, current thinking, and connectivity with the team and the board.
It still never ceases to amaze me how we all interpret the same events differently. Again, it just goes to show how we consume, process and interpret information differently especially when posting on player ratings and influence etc.
We may not have the capacity to accommodate marquee signings, and we may play in the SPFL with its obvious drawbacks, but we do have a great little thing going here with our forum and I would just like to thank the people who make it possible.
The "celticrumours" website is now a part of my daily online diet. I won't list the monikers that I follow and who's views I like to keep track on, but if you are posting keep on posting because I read all of it and enjoy it immensely.
Ed, any chance of a poll that deals with fans current view on Peter Lawell and his performance as Chief Executive. not sure how you would word the question without it being loaded.
Hail Hail
11 Jul 2015 17:12:03
Good post as usual mate I beginning to wonder if you do this just to get on my Post of the year competition lol. Re Lawell though he seems to be taking flak about not signing better players rightly or wrongly. I think if you spoke to fans of Barca, Real, Manchester United they would probably say the same thing. Now let's imagine for 1 minute we went out and bought that 5M player, and everything is wonderful and he turns out to be everything we imagine. Now that player will not be on 15-20k it will be more like 30-35k. I am no mathematician but with say a 4 year deal with the usual costs (Ed will know better than I)this player could cost us anything between 12-14m.Yes there may be a residual value for the player but there is no guarantee, he could lose form, get injured or we might not make CL in those years and his value drops drastically. Now the question is it worth the gamble or is Lawell looking after the best interests of the club? I like every other supporter want the best players possible playing for us, but we have to be realistic and accept at the price we currently paying for a player (2M)it is already a gamble but at least he won't be on silly money if it goes pear shaped.
11 Jul 2015 19:13:45
PW bang on about this site, part of my daily football diet:
rayman: Our issue is this we work within our budget, and PL tries to balance the books.
1 x £5m player would cost a fortune( Wages and all) and yes we do have the money,however do we want to spend it?.
A £5m player in our league is a run of the mill player in England. So we then look to the manager to enhance then team and the current players we have from within, and turn them into £5-10m players. Now I know that over the piece we will only have a few players who make that grade, but its the team we are interested in not just individuals.
In RD we have a manger that can see a player that fits his ethos and a players that enhances our team.
1 bad £5m player and the knives are out.
lets be careful for what we wish for.
11 Jul 2015 19:18:07
Good posts guys. I think that a lot of our fans need to understand where we are. We are,without doubt, a big club. There are clubs in the EPL,and indeed the Championship if they just came down,who have an income that dwarfs ours. We just cannot compete with what they will offer a player.
That being said, our clubs change of direction with regards to coaching and playing youth, if implemented properly, should help us prosper. If we can coach,and more importantly play them,young players to a first team level at age 19-20 then we will keep them longer.Financially we are not at the races.factor in the league we play in and the attraction to come here diminishes. quickly.
We have to work the system to our advantage.Pick up young talent who see us as a place where young players thrive.A place where they can play CL football,which sadly in my view is now a total cash cow and has lost it's integrity. But it remains the place every player wants to be.We also have archaic rules regarding young foreign players to compete with. As for the finances.
We would all love it if we could spend £5-6m on a player,but I do believe Mr Lawwell was being a touch deceitful on that one.I would like him to explain how that would work.I certainly don't expect it any time soon.Not since Desmonds soft loan to help MON splurge have we even considered that level of investment.Then there is Lenny.Even his biggest fans have to admit he blew a lot of cash,in Scottish terms. Lastly,Mr Lawwell himself.
I,like many other fans have had occasion to doubt some decisions,no question. His salary has had many questioning his worth. Take it from me,his salary is not excessive compared to some who do the same job only not as good. He runs Celtic the business. people need to separate the two.Without access to full accounts we do not know the financial lay of the land. My opinion is let him get on with it,let Ronny get on with the playing side and let us back both.
11 Jul 2015 20:21:05
Agree GJ, though I think you will find with Lenny though he may have "blew" a few million he defo brought in more than he spent.
11 Jul 2015 20:32:42
@ rayman: Good point mate and helps prove mine. if players see VVD,Victor and Forster making their name it makes us a good option for advancement. European exposure is vital to put yourself in the shop window.
11 Jul 2015 21:01:52
Green jhedi, I think that the only way that Celtic can progress is to qualify for the Champions league year on year, as much as I love winning trophies in Scotland, it does very little for our bank balance or our ability to attract better players.
As you say we can't go out and spend £5 million players, the question is are we doing enough?.
The riches we would earn from the Champions league is such that I'm surprised Peter Lawwell doesn't make it his number one priority every season, the way the draw works, we don't have to play teams from the major league's to qualify, out of all the teams we could play in each round we are probably the biggest club in there, so to get past these teams shouldn't be beyond us, to me it's just about showing a little ambition.
In my opinion Lawwell is more scared of failure, rather than taking the positive view of seeing the riches that are there waiting for us, and make sure we get there, we're not talking a huge amount of money.
I'm all for developing young players, but this can only take you so far, if you just rely on that, we are just going to be a bigger version of Crewe Alexandra, they produce good young players, but never benefit from them themselves, it's other clubs who reap the rewards.
I just find it difficult to accept, that although we play in a poor league, we can't do a lot better than that.
11 Jul 2015 22:04:56
@gerryc: Of course CL should be the number one priority,the cash earned from qualification to the groups sees to that, But the variable is the coefficient. We are trapped,very much like the Scotland team,in a cycle of poor results like St Johnstone the other night. We also have the hazard of playing teams well ahead in terms of competitive games. Qualification is not a given.
I can see your point about the riches on offer but we must never assume we will get to the group stage.Then their is the players,sign for us we MIGHT be in the CL? Between wages and a maybe CL it's a hard sell.
12 Jul 2015 09:59:12
I love the way fans just assume if we leave the Scottish league, we'll be challenging Barcelona and Real Madrid.
Why do we come to this conclusion?
Liverpool have a massive fan base and so do a few other Clubs around the world - would fans be happy this, maybe next year?
Why do we assume PL is holding us back or something, I feel indifference towards him - don't know him, don't dislike or like him. He runs a business and a football club, who on here has done that?
I know I'd be quite poor, I'm a heart ruling head kinda person and we'd have Stevie G on loan this January 😛
11 Jul 2015 11:40:55
Don't we all thing that we are living in different times so we should support all that are wearing the famous hoops.after all it's the shirt we support and not the wearer of the shirt.hh
11 Jul 2015 14:09:11
Basically your saying its acceptable for a player to be utter pi$h and not of acceptable standard to play for celtic, just because he is wearing the hoops?? What planet are you on?😂😂😂😂😂
11 Jul 2015 15:02:03
DN30, whether a player is utter p*** is actually irrelevant. They don't pick themselves. They don't force their way in to the team. They obviously don't want to be considered p***. They are chosen by manager (and coaches) because they think they are the most capable and competent to achieve whatever the manager highlights as "the objective". I think Xc is simply saying that we should support whoever is out there. In the context of the 90 minutes, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by booing or becoming negatively hysterical over the performance of a player. Equally, we shouldn't "forget" misplaced passes or players shirking from tackles or being plain lazy, but we need to channel or dissatisfaction in a way that doesn't upset the team. That is why we are called "supporters". I mutter and moan and cough up the odd expletive but I know it wouldn't propel the player on the receiving end to greater heights or help to build their confidence. Imagine the player who is having a "mare" is within earshot….are you the type to shout "come on Efe son, we need better passes than that …" OR "your f****** s*i*…your a disgrace…" The latter, in the context of the 90 minutes and in your role as a "supporter" would be extremely detrimental and damaging.
11 Jul 2015 15:31:33
I expect one thing only from ANY player fortunate enough to wear our shirt.Effort. Total 100% blood draining effort. Every player has days when they are not at it,and seem unable to reach speed.These are the days when we need to help players. I remember a game,Dundee Utd away I think,when Tam Burns was having a howler.Every thing he tried went wrong.Second half he was a demon.He was outstanding.He later said it was the fans singing his name at half time that spurred him on. Some of our greatest nights have been support inspired,Ronny and the players deserve this at least as the players effort,at the moment is not in question.
11 Jul 2015 15:39:03
We all want the same thing for Celtic to be the best they can be But on saying that we all have an opinion as to who should be in the team or who should not for whatever reason and I think we all should be able to voice our opinion on that subject on sites such as this and try not to be to harsh on the individual at the time they are on the park if possible after all we are only human with thoughts of what is right and wrong and if you are paying good money to see a team you should get your money's worth not just watching because your friends or family watched before you but because you want to see and be entered
11 Jul 2015 17:32:36
Paradise I think your wrong IMO when you think players should be exempt from negative feedback. These people are professional athletes not 7 year olds. If a player getting paid a fortune can't have skin thick enough to take criticism when he does something that's unbecoming of his profession then he doesn't deserve the title athlete. I'd also like to add that I would be very surprised if a player took any notice of fans jibes as they should be totally focused on he game. Do you think when a player makes a howler of a mistake the manager should place an arm on his shoulder and say ' listen Efe I think we both know you keep making silly mistakes so let's not get upset about it just try harder, how about it big stuff let's see what you can do'
During sports if my manager started screaming at me telling me what I've been doing is below standard and not good enough I personally would respond better than if he sat me down with a cup of tea and a tea cake and reflected in a civilised manner.
11 Jul 2015 18:55:47
Once a player done the hoops we, the fans, get behind the individual. Some we like, love even, some we don't take to. I remember in the early 70's Harry Hood and Tom Callaghan, two great footballers, being made the scapegoats amongst our support. All players have poor games, stinkers even. Even Jinky had his share of off days though with time that is forgotten. Some frustrate with Sampras being the most recent example but once the hoops are on we should get behind them all. That's the Celtic way
12 Jul 2015 10:41:29
Football is a game fir grown men. If your pish and somebody who is paying your wages shouts that, then either do something about it, or leave.
It should not be about sentiment. Your either good enough and uf your nit boo flumping hoo. We would all loved to have played for our team, but, we wurny good enough. Telling someone they ain't either is perfectly legitimate.
If they don't have the mental strength to deal with criticism and prove people wrong, they probably shouldn't he there.
If we say the Celtic Jersey doesn't shrink, then let's realise what that means. Players need to man up or bolt.
11 Jul 2015 10:38:50
It seems that overall a good performance and Cifcti looked good which further reduces the chances of Forrest getting a game. Good news for us becoming better and my blood pressure can remain at a healthier level.
11 Jul 2015 13:51:47
I have been critical of Forrest but just maybe he is now going to show what we know is in there. Ronny said he is much better now 'we are managing his health'. With RD's belief that sports science is vital it sounds like they have changed his training and recovery regimes? The season end showed big improvement,in my opinion,but this may be his last tilt at it.
11 Jul 2015 22:36:46
They need to change his final baw. That would be the best place to start in any change programme. He has never fulfilled early promise x the mistakes he was making then are still occurring.
He got away with them
Because we thought he would overcome them. He hasn't. It's as simple as that. A few wee dribbles then ten push passed it suffer shots. It's time he went, but again, not a single offer I can recall.
11 Jul 2015 10:34:10
Well last night was very entertaining I thought. A decent run out,especially the first 25 minutes when we got a chasing,and by 90 minutes we seemed to be up to speed.
Some big pluses for me. I thought Biton,when we got him on the ball,showed that he has genuine quality. Last season I called him our metronome,just keeps things ticking over and holds possession,but he seemed to be more forward looking last night.
Yet again Broony was,well Broony! at it from the first minute his work rate is astounding.Gave a blast to few,as a captain should, and has really developed into our leader.
GMS also impressed me. Had a rocky start,everything seemed to be bouncing badly for him,but never stopped working and tracking back. Got his goal because of his willingness to run at defenders,this boy may be very important in away European games.
Cifci done okay.Young Fisher and Janko clearly showed why losing Matthews will not effect anything playing wise. Biggest plus? Lustig being back.If we can keep him injury clear he offers a great option as FB or CB in a three.
So job done. The scores in these games are really unimportant,unless Spurs under 17's do you.
One last thing.It seems 90% of fans have really bought into Ronny and this team.With this in mind I would hope we get a really decent crowd midweek.This always helps so let's get into it.
11 Jul 2015 10:43:03
Good post mate. Cheers.