Celtic Banter Archive February 11 2016

11 Feb 2016 21:54:05
Who would have thought in the early 90's that in a decades time we would be in a European final. The change we made when appointing MO is what we need again if we are going to see a successful Celtic. Get RD out and replace him with and older head, someone with experience and give him a decent budget. Nothing else will do!

11 Feb 2016 22:45:41
Right its our old favourite Owen Coyle that fits the bill. I understand he has been on P L list over the last couple of vacancies and no doubt if R D leaves we will have a very respectful period of time for P L to climb trees all over Scotland and Europe in search of the right one . After such a period the anointed one Owen Coyle will become our man.

11 Feb 2016 23:36:14
I believe someone like Paul lambert would be better, I believe giving the right amount of backing and bringing Celtic guys as his back room staff as Lennon did would be the right move for Celtic I think we need a real Celtic man to motivate the players, someone who fought and laid everything down for the team. With that said I also think Larsson cannot be ignored if your looking at someone to excite the fans and get the players going, however like Ronny does not have a lot of experience. My ideal 2 would be lambert as manager with Larsson as his assistant (possibly replacement at some point) and a real good scouting team. Just my opinion would love to know what you guys think.

{Ed007's Note - Paul Lambert will never be a CFC manager.}

12 Feb 2016 00:18:25
I seem to remember Lambert distancing himself from the post some time ago as he didn't want the additional baggage that goes with the job.
I have a feeling that if [or when] RD is replaced, Collins is already in place to assume total responsibility - and that worries me.
MON was a 'right place - right time' appointment that only comes along once in a blue moon. Under the current regime and financial restraints I fear we will hop from one cheap option 'Yes-Man' to the next until there is major changes and investment in Celtic.

12 Feb 2016 08:39:02
Hey Ed, what makes you think that. And I agree Jim I don't think it would happen i just think it would be our ideal appointment. I don't recall him distancing himself from it tho. Maybe lambert isn't the right one but I do think a Celtic man is needed. I too am seriously worried about JC taking over would rather have ally McCoist 😝.

{Ed007's Note - He said so himself.}

12 Feb 2016 12:13:30
Why would it need to be a celtic man taking over?

12 Feb 2016 13:36:36
Whats that all about a celtic man is needed? We have our celtic man there already john collins n he's a fud.

12 Feb 2016 14:55:28
I don't think that if Ronny was being replaced that it would have to be with an ex Celtic player.
I would like to see an experienced manager in charge, someone who is used to the pressures of a big club, and is able to manage the egos of players who play for big clubs.
I don't doubt Ronny's commitment to Celtic, I'm sure he puts the same effort into his work as any ex player would. I think where he falls short is in his handling of players, he doesn't seem to be able to get the best out of the team, and I'm not sure that the players respect him enough.
That's why in my opinion, we need a strong willed character in charge, who the players will listen to and know who's boss.

12 Feb 2016 15:00:29
It doesn't but in my opinion that is what is needed someone to show the players what it takes to play for Celtic, Ronny says the players are hungry but it doesn't look like it to me. As for john Collins he may be a Celtic man but as you said he's a fud, I didn't say any Celtic man would do but the right one imo could take the club back to where it belongs regardless of budgets. Ed I didn't know he said that do you know why he doesn't want to.

{Ed007's Note - He doesn't want the hassle and the grief that goes with the job brought on to himself or his family.}

12 Feb 2016 15:11:24
We revert back to 'Celtic Men' time and time again, as it is hoped they have a loyalty, passion, understanding and love for the club - like supporters and can empathise with our feelings.
However, very few have actually managed to make a success of it, or live up to ours and their expectations or dreams.
The board have in the past, used the 'Celtic connection' to appease fans and take the pressure off themselves, but circumstances, bad judgement or inability to put theory into practice has cost them.
Jimmy McGrory was manager when I was a boy, but I don't remember enough about him or the team I saw in the early 60's; however Big Jock's achievements are well documented and the benchmark for my generation, as to what a Celtic Man can do, but that could never happen again - could it?

12 Feb 2016 15:55:16
I am 33 first manager I can remember is Billy mcneill but not much.
The best managers I have seen at celtic all had no prior connection to the club.
Oneill Strachan jansen.
But macari Mowbray dagleish Grant and Collins all do
I don't care if next manager has no connection to our club yet
I care that he is experienced enough
I care that he can walk in and demand instant respect from the players and fans.
No more novice managers

12 Feb 2016 15:59:21
I'd have binned Ronnie after the Ross County/ Aberdeen game and given it to Neil warnock until the end of the season.

But then, maybe that's why I don't work in football.

12 Feb 2016 16:31:14
I didn't know about lambert not wanting the job when I made the original post, however I do agree that an experienced manager is needed and lambert certainly would fit that bill. Does anyone really believe that we would/ can get the manager we need? .

12 Feb 2016 16:42:49
How much more experienced is Lambert than RD?

12 Feb 2016 17:01:49
Has to be a Celtic man wtf might as well give it John clark. Anyway we have a manager who I firmly believe will still be with us next season hopefully after winning the double. I really don't get what everyone thinks we will achieve changing manager until things change at the top things will never be any different no matter who's in charge.

12 Feb 2016 17:36:36
Ok Welshboy let's just stick with Ronnie no matter what. By the way you will soon change your mind if Rangers come up and beat us a couple of times. Right now there is no pressure on him apart from what he brings on himself. No one is going to win the league apart from Celtic. That will change and we should be so far ahead that it should not be a concern. We are not going to run away with the SPL but we will win it but not in style. We need to stop accepting poor performances and saying it's ok because Ronnie will get it right. No he won't.

12 Feb 2016 17:57:35
Pretty sure you could give the manager's job to anyone and they'd become 'celtic men' pretty quick. Like, before the interview.

12 Feb 2016 19:50:52
Our best two managers of recent times were MON and strachan. Both premiership managers with teams who were in relegation battles, had the odd shock result and got to one or two cup finals. Are there any just now that fit this? Lambert got to the final last year and survived relegation? Although can't remember if he got sacked before the end of the season or not? Don't think there are any others, would have said steve bruce but he got relegated last year. Mark Hughes? Eddie Howe?

Would we attract any premiership managers or is that now wishful thinking?

14 Feb 2016 19:17:31
Craigie bhoy I note that your namesake's decision of given a red card to Efe would in your mind decide R D 's future at Celtic . I would prefer not to be seen to give them that power, bad predecence.

11 Feb 2016 10:57:27
After lengthy debates with office colleagues we have came to the following decision we need to sign one player and only one player.

a new goalkeeper.

then we play 4-2-3-1

New GK

Lustig, Simun, Chenko, Tierney

Bitton, Brown

Christie, Allan, Roberts

Griffiths.

11 Feb 2016 12:59:50
Allan?

11 Feb 2016 13:25:44
You have missed out one of the stand out players of this season, i. e. Rogic.

11 Feb 2016 13:36:45
New poster but long time reader here
Why does so many celtic fans think Allan should walk into our starting line up?

11 Feb 2016 15:07:53
@kev83

unfortunately I think it highlights the fact that many fans still think a lot about rangers. The desire for him to play and succeed perhaps comes from people wanting to be able to celebrate the fashion in which we signed him.

i don't see how allan christie roberts is going to be anywhere good enough behind griffiths. christie, roberts, allan, nesbitt all lie in the group of players who still have everything to prove at 1st team level. i'd love to see them all succeed but it will take time.

11 Feb 2016 15:59:30
Edinbhoy I'd say Christie has done more to prove himself than allan.
He's been in the caly first team a while now.

11 Feb 2016 16:22:24
Christie looks twice the player allan is. As does Rogic, Johansen, Commons, Armstrong and McGregor. It can't be based on what people have seen edinbhoy that's for sure.

11 Feb 2016 17:00:25
1st division player with potential is what I see but no way a starter.

11 Feb 2016 17:01:05
Rogic would be my main number 10 at moment

11 Feb 2016 17:46:32
I don't know how many players Celtic have signed since rd took over but I can t think of one success. So what you and your friends have clearly done is decided what we have isn't good enough. The guys we have signed haven't been good enough. But the 5 guys in our squad who Haven't played 20 games between them will all be good enough to stay in the team long term so sign a new goal keeper and all will be well. I love your optimism.

11 Feb 2016 18:04:53
Is your office in slough industrial state.

11 Feb 2016 18:11:07
Kev with all due respect pal, Scott Allan was Hibs best player when we signed him so I'm not getting your point 😉 .

11 Feb 2016 18:12:55
How would anyone know that Christie Allan Roberts are good enough individually or collectively good enough to form the attacking back up to Griffiths . It's really a shot in the dark Naming these players.

11 Feb 2016 18:43:08
Christie and Allan would supply the creativity, which has been much lacking in Ronnies teams, don't think Rogic has got it against better opposition, I would play K-R and Griffiths up front, together, the more K-R and Griffiths play together, the more they will develop into a quality goal scoring partnership, as long as K-R, screws the nut. and stays out of touble.

11 Feb 2016 18:55:14
No doubt Rogic is a talented player but his fitness levels are a woeful. Looks like he only has the legs for 60 minutes.

11 Feb 2016 19:12:52
I agree Des he does always look knackered. It's the main area he needs to improve imo.

11 Feb 2016 19:58:24
I'm of the same opinion as a lot of the guys above, Allan seems to be hype about nothing. He's bang average, even watching hibs a couple of times last year, he seems to have all the swagger with little reason for it. He regularly passes the ball out the park, he might see the pass, but he rarely completes it.

11 Feb 2016 20:00:16
It's not even the fitness of Rogic it's the level he's done well! He's done well in a dozen SPL games and we have guys calling him our player of the season! He didn't do it in the few European games he played, and only made a couple of sub appearances for Australia during that period. This is the problem at Celtic at the moment, we have guys saying Rogic is worth a fortune and should be getting a 5 year contract on the back of what I've said, and we has Scott Allan getting better every week he doesn't play! Allan has never looked fit his whole career, if you look at pictures of him in England he looks 2 stone overweight. Since then he's had 1 good season at Hibs. Deila has plenty faults and I want a change right through the club but I totally back him on this, Allan isn't getting picked because he doesn't deserve it, he's obviously not applying himself in training! You have to earn a bloody Celtic jersey, - everywhere I look it's mediocrity. That's why we are getting found out in Europe. It's a big world out there - even supposed smaller clubs are constantly improving, looking at new ideas! Ronny Deila isn't the only coach with progressive ideas! For me he's nowhere near ruthless enough, any top manager wouldn't have guys like that even training with the first team! Training in the afternoon shouldn't be optional - I heard him praising young Keiran Tierney for going to the gym after training, and saying he's pretty much the only one in his age group with that level of dedication! WHY?

11 Feb 2016 20:16:47
Although I think Allan does have something, John McGinn has walked into the Hibs team and proved much more of an influence Allan ever made. I'd take McGinn in a second. Cracking player.

11 Feb 2016 21:03:35
Honestly Allan!

Good championship level player, all the people in this site that slate us signing Dundee Utd players, now it's get Allan in he was Hibs best player! the 2nd best team in the championship, he is simply not going to cut it at Celtic.

All I can recall Allan doing was getting us beat by Ajax with his fannying about with the ball.

{Ed007's Note - I've been saying this for months yet some people see Allan as some kind of saviour. I've only seen him play for us and a couple of his highlight reels and I can't see what all the fuss is over.}

11 Feb 2016 21:19:48
You know how if you read the comments on any youtube video, somebody evebtually talks about 9/ 11. Its the same on here with RD. Who should RD play then Delphic if we have too many average players, because he has to pick XI men. And if people aren't fit enough then surely training with the first team is the best way to remedy that? Getting tedious now.

11 Feb 2016 21:20:57
Maybe someone has the statistics to disprove it, but I think there has been more poor, inept, turgid, mindnumbing performances this year, than more years than I can recall, something has to change, I think it should be playing one up front.

11 Feb 2016 21:36:41
The thing I like about McGinn is he keeps improving! He seems to have that determination! I wasn't sure about him but he's had a great season at Hibs! He plays s bit wider with them but long term I see him more as a central midfielder! Some players are naturally fit, Scott Brown/ John McGinn, then you have guys like Commons and Allan who have to sacrifice a bit more. If Both these players trained like a Ronaldo they would improve by at least 25% because they have natural ability and play with their head up! That's the reason no big club has come in for Commons, even on a free transfer! Allan might go through his whole career like that! It seems to be engrained! That's why Deila has to tell them straight! It's also a major problem if Park is signing guys like this who will never adapt!

11 Feb 2016 21:47:58
I know Ed007

I have to laugh at the calls for Allan to start. I would rather we had a new formation, for me it's the only way RD succeeds.

Unless we have real quality young players coming through with this current system it's time to change it.

{Ed007's Note - He's 24 and the way people bang on about him you'd think he's some 18 yr old wonderkid we should feel honoured to have our club. I can see sitting on our bench being the pinnacle of his career.}

11 Feb 2016 22:16:41
We'll never know if Allan is'nt given a run in the team, to find out what he can do, would McGinn have improved if he'd only been used sparingly as a sub?

11 Feb 2016 22:23:13
Scott Allan is a good player. We need him to get a chance. Not only on the pitch but in our minds. His 'association' with Sevco doesn't make him a bad person. We all have our opinions and we're all entitled to them but let's give the lad a chance. You can see he's eager to make an impact. He's not our problem, that stems from above him. Ronny and those in charge of the club. The lad has talent, the manager doesn't.

{Ed007's Note - So we're signing players now because of their eagerness, James Forrest is eager to impress but he hasn't done it in seven seasons. I'm not even going to ask how you know Allan has talent but so was Paddy McCourt and Derek Riordan.}

11 Feb 2016 23:37:24
Well Jim you still think Ronny can do no wrong, you and a few others are so intransigent in your thinking and to proud to change your thinking! Regardless of what players he should play (because I think they are average) - look at the players he does play, that's the reason we're in the state we are! We're the laughing stock! He either plays, or brings on James Forrest every week, he's had 1 good game this season, and around the same last season! He tells us that Forrest is an unbelievable talent every week! GMS, Armstrong and Allan haven't improved by 1% since they walked in the door, the training and/ or coaching is lacking in some form or another! That's Deila's fault! I'm not saying they're average and Ronny's average for the good of my health!

{Ed007's Note - You're grasping at straws here - when did James Forrest have a good game? :=o

12 Feb 2016 08:03:20
The term Unbelievable does not necessarily mean 'positive. '
Germany fighting fighting Europe then invading Russia (in winter. I look at that and say, 'unbelievable. ' I certainly don't mean it was brilliant or great.
Forrest has an unbelievable talent.

12 Feb 2016 08:40:47
Delphic, so who should he play bud? Just as a future reference. Because it's not me saying RD can do no wrong. Not at all. It's the contradictory criticism he gets from all angles. He gets stick for picking his favourites, which is nonsense on different levels, then he gets stick for making changes - due to various reasons - either through choice or necessity. As far as I can see everybody has been given game time. And with regards to Forrest, who else do we have that can play wide? GMS has been poor to say the least. All our other midfielders are better suited down the middle. Probably why we got Roberts in just because we're desperate for a player in those areas. Or perhaps he should have been playing Boerrigter? JF, looking forward shouldn't be in our side. But you have to play the hand your dealt. RD wanted Elyounoussi. But there you go.

12 Feb 2016 16:30:59
If he's going to play the 2 up with the new lad and Griffiths I'd probably try a diamond behind them! Biton at the bottom of the diamond with Mulgrew and brown either side and Rogic or Armstong at the top of it! If Johanssen hits form again this lifetime he could play in place of Mulgrew!

11 Feb 2016 04:53:40
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