Celtic Banter Archive November 10 2014

 

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10 Nov 2014 19:31:30
Always look on the bright side of life dodo dodododododoo . eh not. I think some on here just like a wee moan honestly what have the players and management got to do to get a bit of praise for winning a hard fought game to go top of the league against a team who are always difficult at home without commons and Gordon in the team and broonie sent off. Forrest given enough game time will also give us an extra dimension in attack. Think some positive thinking courses required ed haha

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Too many people on here are just looking for any excuse to badmouth the club and anything to do with it Gerry, they only appear when there's something to moan about and don't like folk disagreeing with them. It's attention seeking like a bairn screaming until everyone looks at them.

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Agree with you both, doesn't matter what RD does some people are just not going to be happy.

They will find something else to moan about.

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10 Nov 2014 16:20:15
Henrik Larsson has been announced as the new Helsingborg manager so that puts to bed any talk that he was being lined up to replace Deila. Good luck Henke and hopefully we'll meet Helsingborg in the cl sometime soon.

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I hope he progresses as far as he can in the European League as, I don't want us beating his side in the future .

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10 Nov 2014 11:51:12
Anyone who thinks we are progressing is blind to the facts we have played well in two league games this season ( Dundee Utd and Ross County) we have been awful in Europe and only in the league cup have we looked the part. Our two most experienced players could leave for a very little in January (Brown and Commons) VVD could also be gone then. The loan signings have been a waste of time ( Guddetti excepted) I know some will point to Denayer but our defending is very poor
We could also lose Johansen in the near future and what is left is average
Serious surgery is needed at all levels if we are too improve for next season two new central defenders ( Jonathan Mensah John Anthony Brooks Andreas Jonnsen Kara Mbodj) a strong central mid (Ismael Diomande ) and a goal scoring poacher (Andrej Kramaric ) add some good Scotish players Pawlett GMS Armstrong and maybe Davidson and a left back and clear the dross out then maybe we can talk progress

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Have you told Deila and Peter Lawwell, what they need to do. Waste of time telling us .

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10 Nov 2014 16:58:05
SERIOUSLY!, let me bet you you want lennon to stay? brown won't be sold in jan either will commons!!, our team is average, it was last season even after lennons spending spree at start of last season HE BOUGHT RUBBISH apart from VVD, never bought johnny russell bought balde, bought borrigeter never bought gauld or gms, the list goes on. I know some of the football hasn't been good this season but we are still in 4 comp.Ronny needs a break & a chance, if he wins the treble people will still moan. did any1 get on lennys back after his first season in charge which was pish out of europe 2 , out of league cup, lost to inverness to hand title to rangers , aye I forgot apparently lenny can walk on water so no1 cares

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The deterioration in quality and standards has been going on for a long time with our best 'assets' being sold for huge profit and replaced by cheaper, often inferior options.
There is also too many injury prone players who have been kept far too long as they are clearly unable to reproduce the form and standards initially shown.
Right now we have a real struggle on our hands to retain our title, compete in domestic cups and progress in Europe with arguably the most limited squad in a decade packed with loan signings managed by an untried boss.
The passion (and relief) shown at the end of the game yesterday showed me that these guys care and even though they have their limits and have not yet reached full capacity - they will give it their all and the supporters will appreciate that.
If performances improve and we continue to progress in all competitions, then the pressure is on the board to back RD properly with funds to further improve the team.

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Jonace, you are a sevconian sounding guy! As the other guys have said, we are still in 4 trophies, different style of football, but getting better, lot of new systems, training, plus new management team, and some new players, these things take time, that we have got at moment, the support and board should back big ronny(the mad dancer!) and reap benefits for years to come.

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To be fair the league would have been won that season if Samaras hadn't missed a penalty against Rankers to win the game

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Your having a laugh eh? Give the guy a chance, he's here with a plan to change the club from top to bottom.January will be interesting and I think the board need to back him.Posting that nonsense the day after a battling win at Aberdeen is ridiculous.

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What I cannot understand is how some posters expect Celtic to survive if we didn't sell our good players who want away and replace them by inferior players . We cannot raise enough money to play at a reasonable level without profit in the transfer market . Successive clubs all over the world that are unfortunate not to play in leagues with large Tv and sponsorship money all do this .
It's important to note that our better players who demand a move, have improved beyond recognition during their spell with us and that is why we can get a good transfer fee and profit .

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11 Nov 2014 14:48:32
To say we've been awful in Europe is ridiculous , we're 2nd in the group and are very unlucky not to be 1st, we are top of the league , ok I'll give you that we have under performed but Delia has the task of putting the fire back into Celtic just like Lennon did the only difference is that Lennon was an Ex Celt which already gained his backing. We've struggled against teams the same calibre as Salzburg and Zagreb before and to have 8 points so far is brilliant. Have faith in Delia he hasn't disappointed me yet so far

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Football is always a matter of opinions . Some people are glass half full types and some are glass half empty . No Celtic manager will please all the Celtic supporters all the time . Deila certainly had the away supporters last Sunday on his side big time .

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10 Nov 2014 07:23:29
Were you happy with the performance in the late win over Aberdeen?

Think it was one of those games where we are happy with the result :-)

Some games you just have to grind out a result and this was it. The game was quite evenly matched and there can surely be no argument, there was room for improvement with the performance.

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Aberdeen Away is realistically the hardest game for us in SPL, so win was valued.

Hopefully get a few new faces in to tweak team. A CDM and RW wouldn't go a miss cause Mulgrew, forrest and mcgregor are not good enough. I think if these issues are addressed, then it will vastly improve team

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10 Nov 2014 08:55:03
Mrs E, very happy with the win. Many on this forum will point to that result and say progress is being made and use last season to remind me that Aberdeen beat us twice and I understand that argument. I would counter that by saying we had more league points after 12 or 13 games and had 99 points at the end if the season. However I think both arguments are immaterial. We are not playing any better than last season. Ronnie has talked about developing a team that can not only survive in Europe but can compete at the highest level. That can blow teams away with attacking football. Sorry but I can't see that and again before anyone shouts give him time, we have played over 20 games so far this season we should be seeing that by now. Every manager is trying to build a team that can blow everyone away. It's not a new idea. From where I sit all I can say is we look no better than last season and I don't expect us to be any better by the end of this season. If we win the Legue and get into the last 32 of the EL and win the league cup then I would say that is progress and I think the majority would agree. If however we don't qualify for EL knock out stages and get knocked out of league cup then there is no more talk of progress as far as I am concerned, however I live in hope and keep the faith.

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10 Nov 2014 09:16:03
Johnny ac who's too say wee won't get 2 3 good players in January what that not make us stronger than last year

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Progress is being marked by results and the fact we are winning consistently. Performances on the other hand are very inconsistent from player to player and team to team.
In my opinion, there are not enough games as yet, were I have felt great after watching us play - rather than gaining the points or climbing a table.
In fairness, not all managers in the fifty-odd years I have watched Celtic find the blend of entertainment and success - but good attacking football with style and flair is what attracts supporters to this magical club.

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10 Nov 2014 10:26:13
@craigy white, good point made pal and I agree with the senario but what if we don't get those players. If not it's more of the same is it not? Our policy of finding players who can improve the squad is poor over the last 2 seasons. Apart from Guilleti none of the loan players have shown anything on a consistent basis. Scepovic looks like no better than Pukki. He is not any better than Griffiths. Denyer is a good young prospect but we won't be signing him so where do we get these players from. If we want to improve we have got to be willing to pay wages of £30k to £35k a week. If we do that Craigy we may find the 2 or 3 that will make the difference. We don't have a great squad. They can't pass the ball, they give it away too often. That's not RD's fault but maybe his system does not work with players like we have and will the board pay the wages to allow him to bring in players who can play and therefore make the difference? I would rather we had a smaller squad and brought in players who will be first team players instead of Tonev, Wakaso, Berget etc who are squad players. Take their money and bring in 2 good players. Invest in quality and then bring in the Hendersons and some of the development squad and bring them through. the Bergets, Tonev's, and Wakaso's only take up spaces that the younger players need to have if we are going to produce our own. Rant over.

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Johnny mac, you're spot on about the way our signing policy should go. Every window, two or three that would walk in the team, not 5-6 that warm the bench or that we won't even sign permanently!

As for the progress, I kind of agree, I can't see any marked improvements. It is so early though, it takes seasons and as you said, new players to get a plan into action.

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10 Nov 2014 11:40:52
Good post Johnny agree 100 percent

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There is no quick fix here, it takes time to implement change.
Look at Man U, spent £150 million and the manager comes out and says it could take 3 years for the team to get it sorted, yes 3 years and here we are just about half way through the season and people are ranting and moaning about nothing changing/improving.

We are top of the league, still in both cups and unbeaten in the Europa league

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@Dapulse.What was there to fix? We won the league by a mile. We got to CL and last 16 yr before, we never going any further tho. Only cups to fix and they are now very much second fiddle to CL now.Its not hard to change a system, he has practically got the same players with arguably a better striker yet I don't see this great attacking football. The way I judge him is he making any of the players better? We can only judge on payers who were here last yr and I don't see any improvement on any player, maybe Johannson at a stretch but only inlast few games. That's not a good stat to read if you a coach.

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10 Nov 2014 15:12:24
Ruman spot on. Good post don't said how anyone can argue against that.

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But you are comparing half this season with the whole of last season (plus an achievement from the previous year also). dsnt seem particularly fair.

also players are going to take time to adapt to a new coach. therefore comparing them when they had lennons set up for 3 years with deilas after 3/4 months isn't that fair.

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Whats not fair? players can still play well no matter who the coach is. RD said he was going t make them better/fitter/stronger.In most cases theplayers have went backwards.Just look at Commons as an example.

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As in you say there is nothing to fix due to winning the league and getting into champions league but then say that progress is only down to how individuals are playing. things are more complex.

yes we qualified for cl last year but since then we have lost ledley, forster, samaras. replacing these players has not happened. adding to the previous loss of wanyama/wilson/hooper. This is something that needs fixing.
on top of this the teams we faced in last years qualifying were rubbish. this year we faced legia and maribor, both of whom are a level above teams we played last year. Our group stage results this year are way better than they were in the champions league last year as well, that was a clearly unsuccessful european campaign-this one may not be.

the cup comps have been embarrassing the last few years, you admit this needs fixing.

you bring up kris commons, in my opinion last year in the league we relied on him far to much. as kris is not going to carry on forever we need to find a way to play that allows flexibility and can be played without relying on one player.

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Edinbhoy I really laff at comments like WE rely on commons etc.Do barca not rely on Messi, Do Real not rely on Ronaldo, do you think Agentina would a won the world cup without Maradona, the list could go on forever. Every good/great team have 1 outstanding player in their team.I wonder if you ever heard of a player called henrik Larsson how often did we rely on him.Were you saying then we relied on him too much?Do you honestly feel any player we had last yr is any better this yr? May I remind you we are now a 3rd way thro season is that not long enough for players to find their form?

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I did say TOO MUCH, not just rely on him. he was our creative spark plus our goalscorer. more than happy to rely on our best players to perform but having an attacking midfielder as your top scorer by a mile is not a system that is likely to work season upon season, especially against better teams when he isn't able to shoot as often. Having a clinical striker though, like larsson, is different to commons. I like commons, thoroughly enjoyed watching him bang them in but we did rely on him too much in the sense he isn't a striker.

every good/great team generally has a good/great team. Messi and ronaldo are actually great examples. imo opinion ronaldo is the best player right now in the world but how much has he won since going to real madrid, one league. Ancelotti arrived and has built much more of a team. They then won the champions league but still athleti won the league last year. This was due to them playing as a team every single game. messi as well, has not won as much in recent years as the barca team has declined. Within a great team, great players will flourish. One great player playing well does not make a great team. we did not have a 'great team' last year

Anyway, in terms of individuals improvement it is hard to say. A lot have been injured for 7-10 games and a lot are new players. I don't think a third is enough no. I would wait another 2 months and then start making judgements on individuals

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Ok cool speak in a couple of months see how we doin. Nobody said we have a great team.the poll for me was laffable about fielding a weakened team, I would field any team as it would mean we are in it lol.Ps we got to stop going on about the cups though they are a poor 2nd fiddle to the CL till there is money in it. yes it will be in the records we won it but if you look hard enough you can find we won the dryburgh cup as well (yep I that old) I would rather go to a CL night any day than go to a League cup final against ST.Mirren.

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The poor man's or 2nd fiddle cups as u put it should be our bread and butter, with any Europe games a bonus.
There's too many supporters still stuck in the O'Neil era where they we were straight into the champs league and spending £6 mill here and there on one player, times have changed.
(These will also be the ones crawling out the woodwork come january)

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Rayman - do us all a favour and go get a Bolton season book if you loved Lennon and his team so much.

Last year was a joke, wow we won a league by x amount of points, what difference does it make winning the league by 1 point or winning by 21 points. Because guess what, you are still the champions.

You talk about Champions League last year, Christ we get our arse's handed to us by the worst Milan team I have ever seen, an average Ajax team and a got totally spanked by Barcelona, sure all the fans enjoyed the journeys home or the viewing on TV and said not to worry we got Champions League money .

If you want to compare RD with Lennon then look at his first season, you know getting beat of those European super stars in Braga and Utrecht.

As for better players, Lustig, Brown, Izzy, Johanson are all better players this year. VVD has not improved for me but then he wants to move to the EPL. The rest of the team didn't play here last year ( Gordon, Denayer, McGregor, Wakaso, Guidetti )

Last year Celtic relied far too heavily on a fit Kris Commons in a system that suited his game ( he is too slow for the European type game ) therefore has struggled under Deila regime.

I like Commons but the formation we know play isn't for him

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Laffable kev, where did I mention Neil lennon.This is about RD, the players you mention (seriously?) Brown missed half the games so far along with Lustig so how can they be better?Izzy has prob been at fault for most conceded goals and is targeted by opposition as a weakness yet you think he is better?As I said Johanson at a stretch but only in last few games.I cudnt care less if we get beat from time to time in CL thatswhats expected against the top teams we never going to compete but at least we in it. Kev it brings 2 things to Celtic. 1. money which is be all and end all these days.2.better players because they want to play in CL not SPFL. So it benefits Celtic bein in it and with a much better potential to improve.So what if we have to take a beating or 2 on the way. You just wait and see the qualityof player we get when we not in the CL for a few years.SO my question to you is do you not want Celtic to be better and improve because we not much chance without CL money.

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You keep referring to last season, was Lennon not the manager? As for players, we don't sign quality when we get champs lge money so what is the gain in getting humiliated in champs lge.

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13 Nov 2014 16:10:46
This year in Euroleague could turn out for the better. Of course the money is a tough blow, but as you see they acctually have a shot for the final 32. This will give a big confidence boost instead of winnig one, maybe two matches in the CL. It don't generate as much money, but I think it will generate team morale, a bit less pressure for RD and the players. Meeting Barcelona at Camp nou is what everybody want, but not by loosing by alot.

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Rayman, you say the players have gone backwards, just look at Commons for example . I don't think Commons performage this year v last year is typical of the squad as a whole .

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10 Nov 2014 00:54:40
I must have miscalculated my dates! Anyone know where I can get rid of a batch of poppies that I've been growing? Tim you want to make a bid on these bad boys, there's plenti to do you till well into the new year. You'll need to be swift though I need to get the Easter Lilys planted soon.

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What a poor attempt as sarcasm AH - have you been smoking what you grow?

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The day I pay any attention to anything you say is the day I give up football and start watching cricket or . Like yiur name suggests you just rabbit on and on and on like most people on E do. You get more sense reading Timalloy's Wee Pat posts.

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09 Nov 2014 23:17:46
Missed the game because I was helping the missus bring our baby bhoy into the world. I'll catch the highlights at some point.

I think a lot of supporters are really just nit picking now (with out even realising they're doing it most of the time) on performances. What are we to do when we come up against teams that want to sit on their 18 yard line with 10 players (being contradicting to a point) I think our movement off the ball could be better. I know the whole Lennon V Deila thing has been done to death. However let's talk about the performances from each regime has the last 3 years football been better than what we're seeing just now? In my opinion no. It's not Deilas' fault that a player can't pass 20 meters and it's not his fault some of the defending has been iffy. All he can do is implement skill drills and its up to the players to put in the effort in training and then change it over into a game.

Looking at the campaign so far: Top of the league with a game in hand. Yet to lose in europe with two games left. One more win in europe will put us through to the next round.

Results are the most important thing at this time of the year. The tactics will fine tune them selves over the course and come the start of season, players will either get what is asked of them or players that can do what is asked will be brought in

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Call yourself a supporter, any excuse and u don't see the game 😆

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{Ed007's Note - Congratulations, Toprig. I hope the mum and the new wee Bhoy are doing well.}

Toprig Aberdeen didn't camp out around there 18 yard box. They played the same system as us. They caused our goalkeeper more problems than we did there goalkeeper. They had way more pace in attack, and they gave the ball away a lot less than us. If we hadn't scored the 2 pretty fortuitous goals we did the whole world of celtic fans would be talking about how poor we were. And before anyone says 'aye but we did score 2 and won the game' I'm not criticizing the result I'm criticizing the performance which I thought was very poor. And the 'we had a big game 2 days ago' doesn't wash either as 3 of the 4 front players were the worst performers (other than Yohanson who actually played 2 days ago) and they never played in Europe. I have been one of the people who has been coming on praising the team lately for there Progress, that's why I was so disappointed in how we played yesterday. We won't win many games against Aberdeen playing like that. Or big cup games. Markie

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'Performances' have been few and far between all season - but on our day - in games like Dundee U at home and Ross County away and the Jags in the cup, we can blow teams away with ease.
Results on the other hand have been improving with consistency and that is what appeases many fans.
I thought we were lucky to snatch a win at Pittodrie and we were patchy; however, we did raise our game when we went down to 10 men to find a winner, rather than shut up shop.
Obviously I want our standard of play to improve as we should be dominate most teams every week, but on reflection after the game, I felt we handled the game after travelling in Europe as well as we could and previous Celtic teams and opponents playing in Europe have slipped up in similar circumstances.
The passion shown by everyone at the end of the game proved to me how much these guys are trying for the support and that matters a lot.

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Ach I suppose it's a fair enough excuse! congratulations mate and the best to Mum and Baby.

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Congrats TOPRIG.

Markieboys, give the team some praise, they flew home on Friday from a game in Romania and then had to travel to Aberdeen - not much rest time.

How do you think you would perform after a schedule like that?

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