Celtic Banter Archive July 10 2013

 

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10 Jul 2013 22:51:39
anyone else gutted that we won't see vic again nxt season? GB67

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Me, especially watching Kayal in our 3 pre season games so far lol. Aye the big man is a player no doubt about it. He will do the business down there, its a sure thing and he will end up at a top 4/5 side within 18 months.

Good business by Celtic though. 5% sell on due to Beerschot (650k)so still 10.95 million profit on the 900k we paid for him if the 12.5 fee being reported is correct.

And a new Scottish transfer record that will not be broken again for a long, long time imo.

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Not convinced he's going.mark

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The club he was bought from went bust. I am unsure if this sell on agreement still is applicable. Sopotcelt.

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Also minus the wages he has collected at CP for two years don't forget that do the actual transfer fee is even less. Still good business though

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He's on 4 grand a week at Celtic buddy and when do you ever count a players previously earned wages and deduct them from a potential transfer fee? Never once heard this done. He was well and truly without a doubt worth the 4k a week so that logic is nonsense mate.

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10 Jul 2013 21:13:34
Good luck to big Vic if the deal with Southampton goes through. Unfortunately we all know money talks and the pull of the PL is far too strong for most. I also have to disagree somewhat with some of the fans sayin he won't be playing CL it's a backwards step, well he will be playing Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea etc at least twice per season. He would prob have 6 or 8 games in the CL with teams of that quality but with Southampton he'll have a lot more than that. I don't like it either but it's a fact

Gary

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Got to agree with you there bud.we made a 12 million profit can't complain will definitely have a wee soft spot for Southampton next season with all the ex hoops there
Gordybhoy44

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Agree 100% mate, especially when CL isn't guaranteed, given what the board might put back into the squad? Can't punch above our weight all the time!

Bigbadjohn

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It's ironic mate.
We've got Suarez wanting away because he wants CL.
And Wanyama, at a club stratospheres bigger than Southampton, who seemingly isn't that bothered!
Mind you, I think Southampton could push for a Europa place this year. A very decent side.
I hope he likes running though!
LFC

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I feel compared to Hooper, Wanyama is being rushed out the door as the offer has triggered a 'bite the hand off' reaction from Celtic too early in the transfer window IMO.
Obviously it is a massive profit and very good business, but would have delaying it for a couple of weeks until after the CL qualifiers been such a problem - if anything it may have started an auction?
Also; why did we not bring in a top player beforehand as obviously now we have £12m, the price of any new targets will at least double.
I hope this pre-season takes an upturn very soon?

Jungle Jim

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I think he's staying due to lack of big money offers. Witch might mean Hoopers off, just sayin.mark

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10 Jul 2013 20:44:21
How many season tickets have we sold to date? Kevboy

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The only thing I saw was on Celtic web site a few weeks ago and was we had sold more than this time last year.mark

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Iv'e been told 47,000 . shammy

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10 Jul 2013 19:00:09
What a Huge mistake Arsenal, Man U and co are making by not snapping up Wanyama for a tiny fee considering the money they spend on far inferior players.mark my words one day he is going to cost you a massive amount of money! Good to see your chief scouts are worth there salt
P.s keep your hands off Mr Park

Ro.

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I would imagine a few managers are asking questions of their scouts. I don't worry about Mr Park, from what I have heard he is very happy with his role and is not a money orientated person. green jhedi

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Sorry gj but if that was true he would still be at Hibs .mark

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So Mark you don't think Mr Park thought he could be challenged more on a professional level with Celtic than Hibs. It is not all about money with him be assured. Sopotcelt.

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@2/ Sorry mate but your wrong. I thought he left Hibs, after unearthing practically a team, because they would not move the scouting system forward.After they started selling players, for a lot of money then, he was disillusioned at the lack of reinvestment. green jhedi

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I might be wrong. I posted last night that I thought Wanyama was staying and look how that turned out. I hope park stays but if epl teams throw money and resources at him and allow him to look for players that we can't afford I would think he might be tempted to go, it being a new professional challenge. I think the bigger challenge would have been staying at Hibs and continuing to bring through players but if what gj says is true I just hope we do all we can to keep him happy at his work. mark

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10 Jul 2013 19:00:08
I think now if the £12.5m deal goes threw for wanyama, instead of celtic selling hooper they should offer him a 3 year £30,000 wk contract worth £5.5million would be our best signing this summer, for all his service till then he would leave a huge dynasty at celtic fc.in total £7 million as he cost £2 million, for that amount of service
is as good a deal anybody could get.his goals priceless, he loves the club, born 1988 hooper I would happily see 7 2 8 million to be used to keep him here.how many strikers if hooper leaves going to buy 2.5 million and there abouts.hoopers wages should be met if the club wish to show other clubs they can nail a player down.

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The loonies have well and truly landed. Are you feckin mental mate? Hooper loves the club? No he doesn't. Where did you hear that?
It's nothing to do with money why he wants to leave. He doesn't want to play in Scotland any more, he wants to go back down south. Wild horses and £50k a week wouldn't make him stay if he has an option to return to a Premier League side in England. And what the feck has born in 1988 got to do with anything?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Not a bad call mate.The problem is he just does not want to stay. If he wants to head home that's his decision, and I would respect it fully.

Celtic though have to be clever.We can't let him run his contract down, that would be wrong for a few reasons. As of January first he can sign a pre contract, if he does not want to be here let him go. If he stays, without signing, he must be used as a back up striker.Anyone using a pre contract should never be a first pick. green jhedi

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10 Jul 2013 20:45:28
OP, good post as what would it cost to replace Hooper with a comparable striker £5m+.
At least Lennon is planning to use money to keep Ledley, Sammy etc.
Further down another poster talked about Celtic improving area around Celtic Park with some of the money the club earned last season.
I have no problem with that for the following reasons, 1) it will improve the fans match day experience. 2) same with improving our stadium, (something the downmarket Govan club cannot afford to do their stadium) 3) when teams and fans from Europe visit Celtic Park I want to feel proud of our stadium, 4) when trying to attract better players, if we can impress them with our stadium, area and training facilities that is half the battle (remember taking new players to Barrowfield what a dump) Timalloy

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I agree with OP. But I would keep Hooper even without a new contract. If we fail to get into the Champions League then maybe think about taking what we can get for him even if its as low as 3 million by then. If we qualify we will be handed another minimum 16 million prize money, add that to the 12.5 million for Wanyama and letting Hooper go for free is an acceptable option imo. 2.2 million signing, still on his original contract of 10-12k a week. 82 goals scored. I think we have well and truly had our moneys worth. Being available for free he would get his move to a bigger cub than the one's being mentioned and maybe, just maybe if he gets scoring for a Newcastle, Everton, Liverpool or Aston Villa he might get that England call. that's my opinion lads.

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Timalloy, I posted about the surrounding area of Celtic park being redeveloped. I'm all for it and think it will do wonders, but the board could/will make it look like that's where the money's going, when its only happening to coincide to happen in time for the commonwealth games, that doesn't pease me any! If they do both. ? Upgrade the area and improve the squad PROPERLY then brilliant.
If they don't improve the squad PROPERLY, what goods cosmetic surroundings with no CL football? Which is more important.
Funnily enough, with out the CL football (if that happens) the board will be using the speech "incoming profits, are paying for the upgrade if surrounding area" for a good wee while?!
Looking forward to it but can see what's coming if not done right for a change.

Bigbadjohn

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If we don't qualify for the CL the responsibility lies directly with the board. Not NL as his head will be called for. Not the players or the coaches or the medics or the T lady. Selling Wanyama is a disaster. He stops other teams playing nullifies the oppositions best and world class players. Wins posession or retains possession and then makes a pass to our gifted midfielders. Or can even make a long pass accurately to the wings. He can also head the ball and score goals from distance or corners. 12.5m is not near enough to compensate for what we will lose in terms of finance but heres the thing. Being an old fashioned guy I only care about winning a game and some entertainment. I am amazed how so many fans get caught up in this finanacial nonsense. Myself included on occassion. We somehow get convinced its good for the club because we got a lot of money. Well would we have sold Bertie Auld after the Leeds match or Billy McNeil after winning the EC. Or even Henke after Seville? The answer is obviously no. It would not have been considered due to a fans revolt. But here we are losing the brightest prospect in a generation and people are saying well done and good luck to Southampton. Southampton for goodness sake. I tell you based upon many long and dissapointing years. This year will be poor. We will underperform and the board will do very little to support NL and the coaching staff. I fear NL is being set up fpr a fall. I just wish I knew why. Sopotcelt.

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10 Jul 2013 18:27:26
The Kenyan FA have announced that Victor has signed for Southampton.If this is accurate good luck to him, I wish him nothing but the best.My own thoughts are he would have been better staying another year, gain more experience, and move to a bigger club.

A Nigerian sports paper is also claiming that Ambrose has been told by Lenny he will be in midfield this season. A straight replacement for Victor? Has Lenny been a bit cute here? Buying Efie knowing Vic would be going? If Ambrose cuts out the flashes of stupidity this might be a perfect fit. green jhedi

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I've been one of effies biggest critics on here, playing as a defender he's bad, 1v1 situations he's shocking!
But the guy can play and I'd be over the moon if he can make that midfield position his own, with Ledley, Broonie, and Kayal I don't think wed be under too much pressure to fill that position, The Board would definetly be over the moon, the saved money still needs to be utilised elsewhere though.

Bigbadjohn

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Would rather see rogic play all the time being honest. Gandalf the green

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Don't know about a perfect fit GJ but it seems like its all planned out . I really think we must strengthen in a number of positions to take our team forward . Ambrose and Kayal IMO aren't good enough to fill Vics position . We've been crying out for a left back and a creative midfielder, we could also do with a couple of speedy forwards . Now we can add a midfielder with presence and can also chip in with a few goals . I'm also getting fed up with the Hooper Scenario . Take the £5 million FFS and let's get on with getting the team ready because the next month or so is going to shape our season . DH

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10 Jul 2013 20:22:34
@Green Jhedi, Nigeria use Ambrose mostly as a right back, so we have several options for him,
RB, CB, DM, RM. Timalloy
PS cannot remember if it was Nigerian or Kenyan teams playing in their playoffs scores were something like 67-0 and 54-0 hope Celtic get that aggregate against Cliftonville. lol

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10 Jul 2013 17:36:48
Massive season ticket revenue
CL massive income
TV income
Brand sponsorship
Shirt sales
Hospitality
Ki transfer money
McGeady transfer money
Wanyama transfer money
Hooper transfer money?
Foster transfer money?
Cup and SPL prizemonies
Match day income
Shops and merchandise

It's just great to be a Celt.

Meanwhile pauperville cheap seats at ibroken can only stand agog in envy.

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Great stuff and agree 99% but if all the other money generated isn't used to go back into the team then its bad patter and even worse this time round with the figures imaginable!
I've not got a great deal lot of money and happy to contribute to the club but I've seen guys and families worse off and love nothing more than using there last pennies to make home games every week! Will they be happy that Celtic are using money to redevelop the surrounding area (which is overdue, and will be lovely) without using it on the important side of things, I can guarantee that answer. What I can also guarantee is we will still love using our hard earned cash (bru money)
Following the hoops but now is the time more than any, spend on the team correctly, we qualify again for CL. If we don't.? your post means hee haw :)

Bigbadjohn

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All the money means sod all if we don't invest it in the team to make us stronger every season . DH

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Am I missing something here? Why does selling players like Wanyama, Hooper and Foster (make it great to be a Celtic fan)!! Seriously what is that about? I get the whole financial situation and current climate but money in the bank means nothing when there's a half full stadium watching half decent players. A full stadium willing to fork out there hard earned cash to watch good players is surely more the Celtic way. And please don't start the we don't want to go down the sevco route. We've made a fortune over the last couple of years from CL, merchandise, transfers (Ki) so spending 3 million quid on 2 or 3 quality players certainly wouldn't break the bank nor would it be a bad thing because regardless of all the "we'll be there no matter what" statements I and plenty of others sat in half full home SPL games last season that were as exciting as cricket! 12 million for Wanyama and about 6 or 7 already off the wage bill. Come on Celtic let's do the right thing here

Gary

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I just don't understand all this, I said to my auntie, I was'nt happy about them, selling wanyama, but she said celtic are a selling club now, is that what we are now?some people accuse wanyama of lacking ambition, but I think its celtic that are lacking ambition, they don't want to build a cl challenging team, they just to showcase their players for a few dollars more.
the man with no name

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10 Jul 2013 17:25:33
The Rangers International FC with a market capitalisation of £32m (propped up by ridiculous price share deals) could easily be bought out by cash rich Celtic and shut down or used as a training facility. Whadya think?

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We would be wasting the money. They would just start again and deny anything had happened.

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@1 you mean "anything happened again!" Lol
Knowing those paupers they would prob try to claim the big trophy as their own then, ie mission accomplished lol

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10 Jul 2013 16:44:00
It would appear that Southampton have taken the 'BeCeltic' hashtag a bit too far. Boruc, Hooiveld, Fox, Wanyama

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10 Jul 2013 11:19:17
Hi Ed - am hearing that Wanyama to Southampton is a done deal. Have you heard anything at all about a replacement being signed? (Am really quite worried we might 'go with what we have' - a very bad move IMO - we need Wanyama2 asap.) jean-Pierre Laguerre {Ed007's Note - I agree with you JPL, unless John Park has another rough diamond tucked away somewhere I fear it might be 'as you were'.
After last night's performance let's hope there is someone in the pipeline, Avihai Yadin possibly? There will be loads of youngsters who have been looked at but maybe not ready for our first team yet (Jack Baldwin from Hartlepool for one).
This summer again, we need to add quality rather than quantity. As fans we are realistic and don't expect £12 million spent on 1 or 2 players but maybe 3/4 quality players can be brought in, that was the plan all along. Sell one player for £12 million and bring in 3/4 players that will immediately improve the team/squad sounds good to me.}

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10 Jul 2013 12:33:44
Assuming it all goes through with Southampton, do we know what kind of wages Wanyama can expect at Southampton?

Since Pochettino took over at Southampton, he's had them playing really good football and I actually rate him as a gem of a Manager. I think Wanyama will continue with his progression under Pochettino and do not see anything wrong with this move for him.

Good luck big Vic and I shall be keeping my eye on your career ~ Mrs E

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Reportedly he wanted 85k a week. So it will be about 50k. But really I have no definite info its mere speculation and rumour. On a rumour site so its acceptable. Sopotcelt.

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Not got a clue mrs.e . but i'll have a guess at 30k with performance based rises annually over the period of his contract . so maybe rising to 50k .
like I say just guessing. shammy

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Well said Mrs E agree 100% Southampton are a team for the Future aslong as the Lady owner sorry can't remember her name keeps backing the manager, Who has been very impressive if he brings in Banega to add to Lovren already signed. I see them top 10 next season for sure & maybe the new team of consistency like Everton but they do have much more cash to flash to chase for Europa League.

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@3 Nicola cortèse is a man lol {Ed007's Note - He isn't the owner though.}

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10 Jul 2013 08:34:53
Cant believe that Victor has signed for Southampton. What a come down for him. No European football. Aw well we will just have to content ourselves with the massive profit we have made. Julieghirl

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It's a case of well done celtic massive profit on a player with no hunger to win medals, trophies or compete in elite competitions. His move is led by greedy agents and purely money orientated.

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Julie, £12.5m, that is a massive amount of money . do you realize that the second biggest team in scotland will make roughly the same amount this season, but only if they sell out the asbestos arena every time they play there .

and let's not forget we have another £50m from ticket sales for this season and cl money from last season in the bank .
big vic is a good player, and I wish him well, but i'm pretty sure mr.park will have a replacement ready to step in .
no matter how disappointing him leaving or the friendly results are . just look across the city and count your blessings, that we are celtic supporters . things could be an awful lot worse . shammy

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Vic is a great player and personally I think will move from Southampton next year or the year after to a massive money club I just hope Celtic have a good sell on claus, but will be sad to see him gone

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A actually think its a really good move for him he's going 2 a team who likes 2 play football and if he keeps progressing the way he has then southampton will find it hard 2 keep a hold of him same as we did the big boys will be fightn over him come next summer benteke at villa is a prime example 1 great season and the big boys come sniffin

GunnieBhoy

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Nothing to do with a lack of ambition, Scottish football just isn't an attractive, ambitious option for any footballer outside of Scotland. That's why he was keen to move to the EPL - more of a challenge long term.

Questioning his hunger for trophies is hilarious because all he will really challenge for with Celtic is the SPL or Scottish Cups, all of which have no real competition, any half decent team could win them. Moving to the EPL gives the challenge of competing in a competitive division, and competing for silverware in the FA/league cups. None of which are easy, but all of which are possible.

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It's all very well raking in vast profits for our best players, but the support deserve quality, Celtic class players on the pitch to entertain and win trophies.
But with the SPL in the doldrums and 3 CL qualifiers, it is extremely difficult to attract better players at this time.
I know financial security is paramount, but better players will fill Celtic Park every week - as will another CL run.

JJ

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How much of this transfer money will be given to Neil to spend? JK

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I think you will find Saints will progress at least as fast as Vic.-so there will be no need for him to move on in the near future. He will have to work EXTREMELY hard not only to adjust to the Premiership constant pace but also Saints pressing game that requires tremendous fitness. The current manager is already expecting very long training sessions in pre-season even with the players recording pre-season fitness levels much higher than last season (and Saints were one of the fittest teams then).He will find he is joining a very fit, young group of players who are very much "together" and want to progress rapidly as Saints. If he does not adapt to this he will be gone very quickly.
Saints are very good at looking after young players and helping them to be the best they can be and if he wants that too, he will do fine.

Saint Martin

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@5 so what our league is crap but Southampton won't play champions league football ever they think they're great but when their club was in league fans were no where to be seen glory hunters who will fade away eventually. Bad move for vic Southampton are no where near or ever will be as big as celtic.

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Why do you want to get into which club is bigger? If you act the same in the gents, you will only pee on your feet!
And you are wrong about the support-it was there a plenty in League 1 as it still is (and was when we were last in the EPL.)

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Glory hunters?! We had highest gates in League 1. Numbers would fall for any club who dropped down 2 divisions. You're naive if you think any different.

And I never said your league was crap, just there are no good trophies to be won there. People questioning his ambition and willingness to win trophies are mad. Because there is simply no competition in Scottish trophies, so to label them as ambitious is ridiculous. And you'll rarely get anywhere in the CL, and certainly won't threaten to win it again. So to bring up 'ambition' and 'trophies' with regard to VW is crazy. Playing in the EPL and exposing yourself to tougher leagues and domestics is key to player development, not the occasional CL game. That's why all your players leave when they reach a certain level, not just VW. You can't possibly say they're all wrong.

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10 Jul 2013 02:23:44
Big Vic's away. 12.5m. although I knew it was coming I am still gutted. wish him all the best. YNWA HH

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09 Jul 2013 23:52:18
It's now hours after the game and i'm still sick after watching that game.

Out played all over the park is hard to take.

No one can say we are getting ourselves into match shape as we only had 3 weeks off . Players shouldn't lose there match sharpness after only 3 weeks.

Mulgrew has been our worst player in our 3 matches all those long diagonal balls to no one, it just seems that our midfield can't pass the ball .
Our defence is rotten, Can't hold a line . The new dutch boy looks to timid and balde has no first touch, I know it's too early to judge but we have not played well in any of our games . it may only be pre-season but all 3 teams we played are on pre-season also.

Lennon has come out after the last 2 games saying he's happy with the work the players have put in, well I think we have been poor all 3 games.
Looking forward to his comments tomorrow.

The people I feel really sorry for is the celtic fans who are using up holiday's at work and paying all that money to go and watch us play like that.

after you read this comment can you tell i'm gutted.

whats your take on it ed.

mick

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Why would anyone get upset about pre season games? This is all about fitness and toning.I will concede that we really have not strung much together, but look at the teams we have had out?

On Mulgrew, I have posted my worries about him for a while. His distribution has been getting worse, stupid passes and bad angles for a return annoy me, but Lenny seems to favour him. green jhedi

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Mick you are totally right. It's not as if we were playing against top sides who were in full flow with their own domestic leagues. We have been shabby in all departments against 2 poor sides and 1 half decent team (Cluj) and if these 3 performances are anything to go by then our 2 new recruits along with the rest of our squad have a lot to learn and they need to do it very quickly. There seem to be a few injuries at the moment but our second or third string teams should be giving these teams a better game.
The squad aren't exactly going into next week's game against Cliftonville with bags of confidence and if we fans are looking at that game with even the remotest sense of concern then it says a lot about the quality of our team. The Cliftonville lads will be giving it everything. This is their Champions League Final in front of their own fans on a small and very tight ground. These are amateur players who hold down full-time jobs elsewhere, and they'll be up for this game in a way you couldn't imagine.
The question is: after such poor performances, will we?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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I said the same after the last game, but was shot down as it's only 'training exercises and meaningless games'.
The players should not be so out of sorts a month after the cup final?
I agree the supporters who live abroad would expect much better from any permutation wearing the Hoops and preserve our reputation.
We are one week from a CL qualifier and expecting to turn up and 'it'll be all right on the night' often backfires.
Two of our best players are possibly on the verge of leaving just to add another distraction to our build-up and even if they play Cliftonville I doubt they will be 100% focussed?
The pre-season has so far raised more questions than answers and I just hope we get the finger out now!

Jungle Jim

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To tell you the truth I'm more worried that half our team Is now injured Brown, ledley, mulgrew, forster, watt, Hooper and there are probably more. Our first qualifyer is in a week and I'm now a bit scared if I'm honest.

Darrenbhoy

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