Celtic Banter Archive January 10 2013

 

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10 Jan 2013 23:40:04
Say what you like about the SPL/SFA/SFL leadership but this week they have finally achieved the impossible by getting every football fan in Scotland to unite in agreement on something - "Rangers should leave Scottish football!!"

Foxy

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10 Jan 2013 23:17:46
....proxy bear sacked as rankers mascot and is being replaced by a Groundhog

Charles Green has said its in celebration of winning division three


Charles Green has said its in celebration of winning division three


Charles Green has said its in celebration of winning division three


Green Judge

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10 Jan 2013 20:41:32
Well it's been a pretty good week for the Hoops without even kicking a ball.
Without chuckie Green using "The Rangers" PR machine made everything even more laughable than usual.That just set up Lawwell to deliver an almost perfect pitch, although I think Green Jedhi and Mrs E (aswell as others) are better qualified than me on that side of things!
There's a but...With 25/30mil reported banked from our champs league run so far, high equity in the team if need be and a poss champions league run nxt season, I thought Lawwell might have said more than "we're in a decent place".
Didn't expect him to be shouting from the roof tops and enter into an undoubt titt for tatt with The Rangers, but he could have played it up more, but that's just me!!
One more negative but its small again and it's just personal, I'm a bit gutted as are my kids for selfish reasons, I now again can't get my kids the kits /tops with a sponsor as its alcohol related again, I've no problem giving my money to the club and won't stop but shirts with no sponsor just don't look right! Hopefully a move away from promoting alcohol in scotland will come before my kids hit their teens, as I said they were small negatives, all in all a good week for the club though well done..

Bigbadjohn

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I think Mr Lawwell played a blinder mate. He is shrewd enough an operator to realise that green is making a complete erse of himself.By dismissing them flippantly he dealt with a third division team, with no voting rights, in the perfect manner. I agree on the shirts.I would rather we did not have a drinks company but that's the world we live in.I am sure if we were in the EPL and doing well we could be more selective..........green jhedi

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10 Jan 2013 18:59:20
If Oyxgen sponsored Celtic chances are the Sevvies would boycott that as well .... Peter its over to you lol !!

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10 Jan 2013 18:54:29
Surely we're not even trying to compare paddy to lubo or even naka for that matter. The fact Lennon hasn't given him a run in the team says everything. Not good enough I'm afraid as good on the eye as he can be at times

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I think paddy has let his head go down tbh. I find it hard to understand why he even makes the squad at times when it seems clear Lenny will let him go..........green jhedi

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Paddy is a prima Donna..never forgive him refusing me a photo and autograph in the stands in Moscow when we done over Dinamo. No time for the fans...no place in Paradise!

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@2; really? Thats a disgrace. It's time these modern players started attending more supporters functions.We are the club!............green jhedi

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10 Jan 2013 18:43:41
Listening to Gordon Dalziel on snyde i am struck by, once again, the sheer lack of knowledge of this pundit.His nonsense regarding the fact that The rangers have no vote in the league restructure is blinkered at best.The reason they do not have a vote is because they had to trade it to gain entry to the league system.As an affiliate member and therefore A NEW CLUB, you might assume Mark Guidi or Jim Delahunt might have pointed this out to him.This let's look the other way while The rangers pretend things have not changed must stop.When is someone going to point this out to the assorted shocking guests on this show. Dalziel then goes rambling on about the fans of The rangers.Why? For months we have heard how wonderful the "journey" was, back to real football, standing with your mates etc, so why bother about doing it for another season?It's high time these pundits were told they are not employed as flag wavers for the team they support..............green jhedi

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This is very common among most associated with Lazarus Loyal. The mentality seems to be if we don't admit or acknowledge it, then it never happened.
The 'leadership' over at Ibrox - past and present - are more interested in sabre rattling propaganda and threats than home truths and cold facts.
There is also huge fault with an ultra biased media and Football authorities that do not challenge this false continuity and identity dubiety with badge, name etc...

Jungle Jim

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Oh GJ...I was the same tonight. I very rarely listen to it but was stuck in my car tonight for an hour and had to switch it off !!

No-one is saying this reconstruction is perfect but as Mark Guidi (I think it was) pointed out to the Rangers fans, would he give a jot if Rangers were still in the SPL..No, not one bit !

One of the reasons for this recontruction is also to do away with the 11-1 voting system in the top tier due to Celtic and the old Rangers having too much power and here we have this clown on Clyde (Gordon Dalziel) wanting Rangers given special treatment.

They already have by being allowed into the SFL without 3 years accounts, why have they to get more...WHY ? This is the very reason all other clubs have 'issues' with Celtic and Rangers. They both have a big support therefore should get special treatment, WHY ?

Celtic have done nothing wrong, they have run their club prudently, watched as Rangers made a £12m signing of one player, did not widely use tax avoidance schemes to pay players, did not collapse in a heap of debt and humiliation so they are quite entitled to a say.

Why should this new Rangers given they have already been fast tracked into the SFL have as much a say ?

Mrs E

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GJ, MrsE, JJ, i hav listened to Clyde for years & had fond memories of the show from childhood part of the match day experience. For a few years now the level of journalism & punditry has hit the bottom of the barrel, especially in recent months ignoring facts & spinning the truth. Imho i have stated on here before the threat i think of the knuckle draggers of the we arra peepo division who have issued threats since they died is to much to ignore, safety & familrightly so. Tonight we had a McLeish interview about glinty taking the zombies elsewhere blah blah but once it was done Mr delahunt commented he (McLeish) was talking from the safety of Nottingham ? Throw away line some will say, but i think you would have to be stupid to think the veiled & open threats of the summer aren't hanging about like a bad smell. I take exception to them on Clyde talking to mostly the same few Celtic fans & using those views as the voice of the Celtic support, countless times they use this as the canvas of our support to back the view the wish to push. Lazy, poor & the norm fromm p*ss poor pundits & journalists. AbS

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Abs, I remember my Dad having it on as well listening to the football when it was all 3pm Saturday kick-offs :-)

Its all just sensationalism now, for a reaction and as you say very lazy but very annoying with zero entertainment.

The only person I remember batting an eyelid when John Greig walked out on Rangers was Derek Johnstone on Real Radio at the time, no one other 'pundit' bothered and they were still sticking up for Craig Whyte. But then again, not many of the Rangers support bothered when he walked out either. ~ Mrs E

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Spot on Mrs E, my aunt grew up with John greig. A lot of my family are from Edinburgh, i love the stories of 60, s 70, s from Scottish football when legends like the lions & from many other clubs for that matter lived within the community & socialised within them. AbS

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10 Jan 2013 16:47:59
How the Scottish football league reconstruction model would work

sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/aberdeen/209239-explained-how-the-scottish-football-league-reconstruction-model-would-work/

Mrs E

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10 Jan 2013 15:18:25
I posted on Sunday about these reconstruction plans which Peter Lawwell has now said:-

'The 12-12-18 is not perfect, we have huge challenges but its probably the best format available.

The sky deal is done, we're looking for a main sponsor. Where are the other revenue streams ? Well, the main one is at the gates and if you have more meaningful games then you have more people turning up and that means more cash at the gate, more sponsorship interest and more TV interest'

My questions on Sunday were: -

1. A fairer distribution of money - what does this mean exactly ? - to Celtic approx £250,000 loss a season

2. Why no fan input ? - I can only assume Clubs will listen to their own supporters. Each club is affected differently by these proposals unlike in the Summer when it was only whether a brand new club that did not meet any of the criteria for entry to the SFL or SPL league should be granted entry straight into the Scottish Premier League and enjoy the benefits that come with that.

3. If this is implemented in time for next season, it will mean the results of SFL3 are meaningless - Yes but for one season only

4. Why is Campbell Ogilvie still in office when he owes RFC over £90k in an unpaid loan & his position is compromised ? - The plans with mean only one governing body which can only be for the good.

5. Will there be play-off's, how will they work ? - This is how the 8/8/8 split will seem to work

6. What are the clear benefits of this system ? - Fairer distribution of income. Changes are needed therefore compromise will have to be made

7. Hearing rumours of a 2 x 12 team Austrian model league with an 8/8/8 split which nearly destroyed Austrian football - Peter Lawwell has advised it is not that complicated and has supported this. I support Celtic and the chances of it affecting them are minimal therefore again up to every other club to consider this option and vote accordingly.

Mrs E

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10 Jan 2013 16:56:34
Mrs E you are too clever for Chuckie and the ex bears.
Also did you see on their own official website this wee gem "between June 14 and August 3 the newco were not registered by SFA"
So Mr Green in the interests of your own avowed sporting integrity surely wee Brechin City, who Sevco played and beat in Ramsden Cup, are due compensation for them playing an unregistered team.
So Campbell surely as administrator of our game you will see that fairness is applied Timalloy

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The league set up in general won't effect celtic we will still have the split the same as now the only concern is the split will now have eight teams instead of six so would mean more games i thought the point was to reduce it

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Och Tim are you not sick listening to them quoting 2 words 'sporting intergrity' without them actually saying what they think it means ?

How would RFC have dealt with a Club that went into liquidation owing millions including other Scottish Clubs ? We've heard not one peep from them on that subject or how the new Rangers see the way forward for the Scottish game, what are their views on reconstruction, does CG have an alternative to the current proposals ? Mrs E

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10 Jan 2013 14:22:05
barry the janny

think mr green is more concerned that he has too wait that little bit longer to get his hands on newco ' s money ... he talks some utter rubbish and MOST teddy bears are sitting listening to him rabbling on .... brilliant stuff mr green keep it up

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10 Jan 2013 14:01:00
Let me admit one thing.When Chuckie first arrived i thought he actually might be good for the game, and obviously The rangers, with his no nonsense approach.I thought here is a guy with none of the previous ibrox baggage attached, who will accept the wrongs that were done and build a healthy club who would compete, eventually, for the league title. Remember this is the guy who was trumpeting that the CVA would be accepted, indeed he claimed he had prior knowledge of this, and the club would work their way through the outrageous levels of debt they had run up.It now looks like from day one of the purchase of the old clubs assets, for a knock down price, he has been extremely duplicitous.
Since then it has been a constant stream of saying what the The rangers fans want to hear. Aided and abetted by his new supporter, mccoist took long enough to publicly back him, he launched into tirades against pretty much anyone who done something he did not like. The latest rantings however sound much more desperate than before. Lets not kid ourselves here traynors, frankly laughable, outburst on the The rangers website had Chuckies fingerprints all over it. I am firmly of the opinion that Chuckie, mccoist et al, never thought for one minute they would not be fast tracked to the top league.A fact that has not been widely reported is that Chuckie is due a £700k bonus on promotion.Does the new set up allow that to be paid? The other big headache for Chuckie is season tickets. At the moment fans are paying third division prices, The rangers are of course prospering crowd wise, will there be an increase? Are there any players with bonus payments, for promotion or league winning, written in their contracts? This i think is the biggest problem for Chuckie. Cash flow.I suspect his running costs will increase next year but his income will not rise high enough, with out a hike in season book prices.There is also no pot of gold in the form of a share issue to be tapped into.Add in the rumour that he has been offered substantially less from Tennents for shirt sponsorship, and things just might be getting a bit tight for Chuckie. Never mind though bears, I am sure Adidas and the Dallas Cowboys will be along soon.After all Chuckie would not lie to you would he?...............green jhedi

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Good post GJ.

Here's my take on it: sponsership of a div 3 club will be pennies, the old deal would have been the same money as Celtic and now there in different leagues quite rightly the deal will be worth alot less than before.im sure the players will get a bonus of some kind to 'reward' them by winning the league however winning a league that doesn't exist anyway more ? Plus green is on 700 odd PA, all the directors (yes even smith) get a basic 50k a year so there is money too).season ticket money.rumour was he was going to push it to closer to the £500 mark for a ST? There's alot of 'famous' investors who have got money in a club which they believed that will win the div 3 and move into div 2 league so maybe some companies would originally do it just for one year wait to they get into div 2 make a small but still profit and move on...that's not going to happen?

The rangers are paying people like black sandazza templeton spl wages, other than Celtic who else in the spl will offer 4/5(or more)k a week to 11 first team players ?

I really panicked at first when green came in, I really though this guy will reform them and in a few years maybe be better than Celtic 'money wise'.that thought only lasted a matter of hours lol ... To me he is now panicking.even if newco were in the spl just now I don't ever see them being a top team again they will be like another Aberdeen.

Lenny

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Agreed Lenny.I think Green knows he's sitting at the table with a busted flush.Those ridiculous statements will come back to haunt him.I still, for the life of me, cannot understand why he ran the share issue when he did.He claimed it was because he promised the fans it would be done before xmas. Surely it would have made more sense to postpone till the close season or even one year.His stock with the fans is mostly high i am sure they would have understood the, sound, reasoning behind the postponement. Or consider this, Green's projections told him that cash would be getting tight around the turn of the year, football is one of the easiest business models to estimate projections due to lack of variables, and The rangers were sailing close to a financial storm. All we do is deal in rumour and conjecture till the accounts are published, even then lots can be hidden, but the wage bill will tell a story.............green jhedi

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10 Jan 2013 16:50:25
GJ/Lenny my ex bear mates are clinging on to fact that Magners/Tennents owned by same company and seem to still expect as good a deal as Celtic got albeit with Tennents.
I explained that Sevco now in div 3 and now have a lower profile, also Tennents are also only widely known in Britain so exposure lower than Magners who are widely known throughout the world thus giving them and Celtic global exposure.
If Tennents do conitinue with Sevco I expect a big drop in monies, if Tennents carry on, which is not certain. Timalloy

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Nice one GJ. The bottom line is that the brand new club (old club pending liquidation) should not have been fast tracked into div 3. i am pretty surprised nobody from other small clubs challenged this. i really cannot wait until the liquidation is rubber stamped. it will also be interesting to see how long it takes for all cases of insolvency law infringements are brought into the public domain. i think chuckles is waffling on as he's gonna do a bunk, either that or admin looms,

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Green jhedi, chuckles ran the share issue in such a hurry because he knows that all his bull**** will be ripped asunder when nimmo and his gang inform the world in a legal manner that this is "a new club", strips the old club of some titles and no doubt alludes to some other dodgey dealings down ibrokes way, try a share issue after that, don't think so, but chico made sure by getting the money early.pat-C

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GJ, he's without a doubt in a panic about something.

That was really embarrassing yesterday and the fact it was yesterday only an hour after Celtic's announcement was so desperate.

I do not think he ever had a plan for any CVA, there's no way he was wanting saddled with that debt. He was not a Rangers Man' or Scottish therefore their history was irrelevant to him.

He's here to make money and nothing else unfortunately, its not going to plan. There's no doubt about it, he expected to be playing in the SPL this season debt free.

I honestly couldn't care less and it does provide some amusement but he's picked on Celtic now for no reason and I for one am glad that the Club have not dignified his rid neck ramblings with a reply.

As I said yesterday Charles, don't let the door whack your ass on the way oot !

Mrs E

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Mrs E has it bang on.hes panicking over something.

Tim - it's like lance Armstrong getting sponsored by hi-tech rather than Nike
It couldn't be the same money lol

GJ - I honestly see another admin or CG leaving in the summer quick style.

The wage bill will be a giggle when it comes out eg Alexander new deal was for 10k a week ! And that's just one player !

Lenny

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I think chuckles and co will end up
with some s**te sponser like wonga.com same as hearts
c&c or any other reputable company won't touch them now we'v severed the final link no right minded

companies going to alienate half thier potential custom the reason we
ended up hang cuffed to the ex people in the first place makes it even more of a master stroke taking a deal with a company your typical brainmuncher wouldnt want to be asociated with well done p.l
thommy j

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10 Jan 2013 13:03:32
Chuck Green:
"In what league do you win a division and then end up playing the same teams again the following season? There is no meaning to it, in reality."

Ehh, the top flight in any country?
Such a balloon, if they leave Scottish football where could they possibly go?

Thank God we have PL.

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Notice that myself. Very amusing

DAMO1888

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I wish he would just 'take-the-money-and-run' . I for one have had enough of his P*** . . .

The Sno Man

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10 Jan 2013 12:02:21
Even some of the people on this page must agree that this league reform is pointless and not because what its doing to the 3rd division because I for one am not really bothered because Rangers will still only need to win 2 leagues to get back to the top. The thing i think renders it pointless is that it is not changing the spl at all really hence not making it a more attractive league. Thoughts please.

BigBear

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Yes BB I agree this isnt a goog set up, celtic will lose money out of it and it won't really help alot of teams in your league, but it will give importance to a lot of end of year games which may keep attendances up. I really think this system will be changed again in a year or 2.
Im dissapointed that ther was no fan consultation I would have thought that all relevant stakeholders should have been involved in this at some level.
DB77

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Op. the second group of eight would i think be really exciting . 4 from top and 4 from next league starting from scratch, playing for a place in top league over 14 games . so it could be 4 up 4 down . i think that would bring huge crowds for those teams whose season was all but over. also nobody from top league will want to be in that, and therefor won't consider mid table a comfort zone, it works in reverse for teams in the 2nd league, they will be going all out to be i the top 4 after 22 games . so yes it could be a good thing. . oh and by the way chuckles is wrong, you will be playing 8 teams next year you never played this term.. shammy

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IMO it's alot of pee pee.

Why a spilt ? For me this is make or break for our game, our governing body of Scottish football is a joke but they won't leave just like turkeys for Xmas.

I think the sfl 16 10 16 or whatever it was a decent idea proper play offs are needed though mess this up and no tv deals will come to Scotland !

Lenny

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I think it deserves to be given a chance.The first year, when the split kicks in, will be the acid test for me........green jhedi

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It may not be perfect or the best but at least it is something to make the game better. You don't know how it's going to work until it plays out, and it means more money for every club which will only help. Celtic showing their class as we give up money to help others which need it more then us to servive, while your club stole from everyone and brought the game down and even now yous think you deserve special treatment.

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OP. Rangers ONLY need to win two leagues to get back to the top. I'm not sure you'll find it all that easy.

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When the split happens do the teams points reset back to zero?

Jungle Bhoy.

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I'd say that 18-12-12 does make it easier for Rangers to get back to top league!

On this setup lets assume they get into the new division 2 (championship?) after one year, they then need to finish top 4 out of 12 after the first half and then top 4 out of 8 after second half.

Surely lower risk for them than having to be top 2 out of 10 after full year?

I also think this is an interesting setup and worth trying, almost 2 mini legues in one season, why not?

I suspect the petulance from Green is more
1) As a new club they don't get a vote yet
2) They expected to get fast tracked into the top league for financial reasons

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@6 at least leave a name with your post so i know who i am responding to. You know what i met so don't act daft.

BigBear

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10 Jan 2013 09:28:02
Next tuesdays game against Steaua will be shown on ESPN with kick off at 6.30pm.

Jungle Bhoy.

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10 Jan 2013 00:29:49
As much as it irks me to post this, been sent a screen shot of our blue friends 'fans site', needless to say the new club thing has finally hit home....it's official at last....

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Any links ? i could do with a giggle

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09 Jan 2013 23:55:24
With the new sponsorship money and the money from the unexpected Champions League run ..add in Ki sale money....can someone explain why Celtic won't pay Gary Hooper the same as 2-3 of his team mates ....views please....mine is that they want the 7-9m that a desperate PL club may be forced to pay for him this window to guarantee them PL status next year with the added TV right money being substantially higher than previous years .
Thoughts ?
GingerSteve

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I would sell him for 9 million tomorrow. That's more than he is worth imo. And I mean tomorrow. We would then have the time to go and sign a replacement and still bank 4 or 5 million profit. He wants the premiership, he has never hid the fact, he has scored a lot of goals for us and he would go with my blessing.

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Let him go to a low level EPL team. Remember, the grass is not always greener

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Heard from a weak source that he's been offered 20k take it or leave it.right now he's worth more cause he has 18 months left where as if he goes in the summer he's in his last year.personally I think Norwich/Newcastle will go for him towards the very end of the window.if he does wait to the summer someone higher up the table might go for him

Lenny

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Barry the janny

is hooper aff his heed ? does he honestly think he will EVER play champions league football again if he leaves celtic ... think not .. none of the big 4 in england want him, so why oh why is he even considering it ... if 20k a week is not enough at celtic then in this day in age then what is .... we could make him a legend if he stayed another few years and then and only then maybe one of the big 4 might take notice ... c' mon gary your no as good as you think son !!

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