Celtic Banter Archive December 10 2016

 

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10 Dec 2016 22:30:36
C'mon katie Taylor.

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10 Dec 2016 23:54:44
She done well Replicas. The boxings been good tonight.

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11 Dec 2016 08:24:38
1st time i have seen her, WOW she is so good very very fast hand / feat

Well done Lass.

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10 Dec 2016 21:05:24
Ed do you think the emergence of Armstrong in centre mid with Brown will make BR re-evaluate his January transfer plans particularly around his move for James McCarthy! I think Armstrong has been outstanding and will continue to get better the more he plays in that role! I also like McCarthy and think he could be Browns long term replacement!

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{Ed007's Note - And if Brown or Armstrong get injured we play Bitton :-o You could be right And Rodgers seen McCarthy as Brown's long term replacement but having those 3 vying for the 2 spots will keep all three on their toes. Look at the amount of players we have for other positions, so why not strengthen a area where we're lacking in quality and numbers.
Maybe Rodgers fancies a midfield when required of Brown, Armstrong and McCarthy, with Brown/McCarthy sitting back and letting Arsmtrong play the box to box role and pushig forward more often to support the front 3


---------- Gordon(?)-----------
Lustig----Jozo---Erik---------Izzy/KT
---Brown---Armstrong-McCarthy---
----Roberts(?)-------------Rogic------
------------Demble-----------

I wasn't sure where to place Armstrong in the diagram but I hope you can follow what I mean about 3 of them sitting in protecting the defence but when we are on othe front foot Armstrong pushes up into nearly the No.10 to help the attackers knowing Brown and McCarthy are covering at the back. And I've got Roberts and Rogic playing just inside the overlapping full-backs, I'm not suggestion Rogic goes out on the wing, it's just names I used to fill it up
It's all just ideas though and anything can happen, gee we're talking like McCarthy' signed lol.}

10 Dec 2016 23:53:50
Completely agree Ed, the more quality throughout the squad the better and competition for places can only help improve them individually. Hopefully we can add two or three quality additions in January and we'll be well positioned squad wise for the CL qualifiers presuming of course we can hold onto certain players and the squad stays healthy.

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11 Dec 2016 10:37:07
14 million been branded about, no real common ground for negotiation if this is correct.

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11 Dec 2016 13:02:41
Ice Man we need as strong a team as we can get if we want to continue to dominate and make inroads on the European front. Nobody's more delighted than me at Armstrong's current form but if you get the chance to sign a player of James McCarthy's quality you take it.

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11 Dec 2016 16:35:57
I would love it. Just cannot see how it could possibly happen!? Still has a good few years left on contract so not even like we could loan then try and sign for a lesser fee. It would literally top Dembele signing IMO as if we got him think he would be here for good.

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12 Dec 2016 15:35:26
I think Ed u have had a slight over slight Re Forrest, on this season's form he must be there or there about.

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10 Dec 2016 19:55:39
Ed, dou know who Celtic are looking at with a view to Jan transfers? And if any teams are interested in any of our fringe players.

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{Ed007's Note - We've been watching Sunderland Vito Mannone recently. Exits, I've nothing much because other clubs are mostly just working through lists of who's available to see who catches their eye. Ambrose has a couple of English teams looking at him but he's seen as a risk because of lack of playing time. It's difficult to sell players during the January window. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ajer go out on a 6 month loan, he's had time to settle in the country and need to get back to playing football but I think it'll be a Scottish team where Celtic can keep an eye on him and it wouldn't disrupt the youngsters personal life by moving house away from everyone he knows in Scotland. I've seen some rumours about Pierre trying to get Ciftci a loan preferabbly back in Turkey but he's open to anything. The GK Baily will also be available and maybe even on a free.}

10 Dec 2016 21:11:37
Cheers ed, a dnt really rate mannone right enuf but I trust rodgers.

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10 Dec 2016 21:46:38
Mannone isn't the answer for me either. Was willing to give BR the benefit of the doubt with De Vries but always thought that being able to save shots was much more important than the ability to play it to a full back.

I was thinking an SPL move would be best for Ajer.

As for Ambrose, I was really surprised he was allowed to stay and fight for his place to be honest.

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10 Dec 2016 21:49:35
De vries mate?

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11 Dec 2016 00:50:19
Cifti supposedly back to Utd in January.

It's a done deal but for some reason Utd want to keep it quiet

Only passing on what I've heard from a decent source.

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10 Dec 2016 23:17:00
I'm sure Rodgers did not want to play him but had little choice at start of season, due to injuries. I'm also sure Rodgers tried to punt him in the summer but even though we had offers, player could not agree terms.

Think we will try and offload him in January and see if we can at least get a small fee. Failing that he will be off next summer when his contract expires.

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10 Dec 2016 19:55:39
Ed, dou know who Celtic are looking at with a view to Jan transfers? And if any teams are interested in any of our fringe players.

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{Ed007's Note - We've been tracking on Vito Mannone, the Sunderland 'keeper. It's all a bit up in the air regarding departures but I expect Commons will go to Hibs, Ambrose has a couple of English teams interested, Scott Allan will more than likely be released or loaned back out. The scramble for fringe players won't really start going until the window opens, it's mostly just lists of potential availability in January and they'll be scouted.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ajer go out on a 6 months loan but probably to a Scottsih team to keep him close by and cause the minimum disruption to the youngster's life. He's had 6 months to settle in the country and now needs to get out there playing regular football or he won't progress as expected.}

10 Dec 2016 20:38:39
Cheers Ed, we do need a goal keeper but not him. I would really like to sign Vorm from Spurs.

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10 Dec 2016 21:49:04
Vorm over mannone any time.

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10 Dec 2016 17:16:27
Right guys what do you all class as playing football the CELTIC ways as?
Had someone say to me that we shouldn't be playing the system we are because it's not the celtic way.
To me playing free flowing attacking football and winning things is the celtic way
Formation doesn't matter to me as long as they work.

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10 Dec 2016 18:11:11
For me its about winning whilst being entertained consistently throughout a season.

For someone who started following Celtic during the dark years of the early nineties, I can say happily that this team, along with O'Neill and Tommy burns, have given the most consistent "Celtic way" of playing.

Just my thoughts 🙂.

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10 Dec 2016 17:57:04
*because system isn't 2 upfront.

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10 Dec 2016 18:57:44
If the balls getting put about fast and we're scoring goals while also keeping it right at the back, I'm happy. That Blackburn UEFAgame where Hartson, Sutton and Henke bossed it is pretty much the Celtic way for me but if we can have have the ball fizzing about with one up front I'll still be chuffed.

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10 Dec 2016 19:13:57
Never understood the term myself tbh so i'm interested to see responses.

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10 Dec 2016 19:37:16
Always understood it to be entertaining, attacking, free-flowing football, a sprinkle of 'Stars' and goals-a-plenty.
It's what I was fortunate enough have seen in the sixties when I started going to the games and it has been the trademark of all great Celtic sides.

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10 Dec 2016 20:37:41
It is a good question.

I agree with Passing Time, free flowing attacking (but winning) football. I have also taken it as if you score 7 we will score 8 unless you are Barcelona and we are trying to park the bus 😀

I don't think its related to playing any particular formation. I would say that even though Strachan had his team playing winning football and brought a lot of success it wasn't the celtic way for me as i didn't find it very entertaining (yes there were moments) , but overall i wouldn't have said we were playing any form of progressive football like we are trying to do now and did in 67. Under MON i would also say he was not trying to play the celtic way but with the quality of his squad its what we got (sometimes, as sometimes it was a little turgid) . Again i'm not saying it was bad in these eras where we had very good success. but i just prefer the approach at the moment and if we fail after giving it a right good go and trying to take the game to an opponent it makes any defeat a bit easier to take and that is the Celtic way as long as our team has tried its best to impose a fast style of attacking football regardless of the outcome i'm a happy bhoy.

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10 Dec 2016 23:27:06
There is no definitive definition of what the "Celtic Way" is from my understanding.

I dare say that it will mean something different from person to person. To me I would define it as being totally dominant in attack and attacking with flair. The formation is not relevant to me.

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10 Dec 2016 23:32:49
For me it's attacking open football with 2 flair wingers and a number 7 being the most reliable player on the park we haven't had a number 7 for years probably a weird 1 but to me it's iconic.

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12 Dec 2016 09:09:50
I always thought the saying came when big jock developed a 'new' style of play i. e. Attacking full backs, the whole team building attacks etc. This for me (although I'm not old enough for Lisbon) was personified when the lions dismantled the very defensive style of inter (anti football? )

Did the term 'the Celtic way' exist before big jocks tenure?

For me the term will always mean 'winning in the right way', fast free flowing attacking football, quick breaks, swagger on the ball. But most importantly winning with class and sporting integrity.

I always feel (paranoia perhaps) , that we have to beat that 'extra man' in black (and the sfa) when we step on the pitch, therefore we need to dominate teams and be clear cut winners. I'm not saying we don't get our share of decisions but I never feel confident in the big cup ties regarding referee impartiality.

I want entertainment when I wat h the team and this season is the first in a long time I genuinely get excited before the game.
Speaking of entertainment- lubo or di canio for sheer spark?

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10 Dec 2016 15:48:29
Alright ed, just wanted to say thank you very much that cd arrived today.

I especially liked the Mr and Mrs tick on the label. I won't tell you what she said.

Again thanks

HH.

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{Ed007's Note - That was the Mrs lol she said he write something! Sorry it took so long in arriving, she left it in the glove compartment till she went for deicer the other morning, it's OK though I sent her to bed with no supper.
Just do me - and the band - a favour and don't bootleg it and pass them out, mate.
If Mrs Tick fancies sending me some racy pics as I thank you I wouldn't be offended :-)

10 Dec 2016 17:58:03
Haha I will ask man but don't raise your hopes.
She's a tad grumpy these days with a 4 month old wean, something to do with lack of sleep or something 😀.

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{Ed007's Note - The lass needs a night out, get your glad rags on and take her up the park for some Electric White and share a kebab.}

10 Dec 2016 22:24:00
Ed what band is it your in? If Yahoo don't mind me asking.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm not in a band bud, it's my mate that's in An Spiorad, if you like Celtic/Irish music you should check them out.}

10 Dec 2016 23:38:15
Right up my street I'll check them out mate.

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{Ed007's Note - (yes)

10 Dec 2016 01:46:56
Theres no denying the vast change from the last few years in this squad.

It is mostly down to the structure the manager has brought in and its one they players have bought into.

Is this just down to it being a big name manager? one the players automatically respected more?

Were the ideals that Deila was trying to imliment in th e squad so different? for me there were 3 main reasons.

1. Ronny not having as clear an approach on the training ground that the players could understand.
2. A greater sense of the season being a foregone conclusion.
3. John Collins.

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10 Dec 2016 14:09:38
I have no doubt that RD was hampered and hindered because of his inexperience and naivety by senior players and maybe even his 'appointed' coaching staff.
His theory and philosophy seemed ideal, but not all players were either willing or able to take it onto the pitch.
In BR we have a much stronger, forceful character who has experience and nous to back it up and put ideas and strategies into practice - before and during games.
RD was often caught out during games, where he and his management team had no plan B or tactical resolve.

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10 Dec 2016 15:49:39
I think the big difference between Rodgers and Deila is that Rodgers has a tactical knowledge that Ronny didn't have.
It always looked to me with Ronny that somehow if you were fitter than the opposition then everything else would take care of itself, the problem with that is that when we ran into teams that were as fit as we were, Ronny didn't know what to do.
Fitness is a given in the modern game, every team is fit.
Ronny's problem was that he could only win games against domestic opposition who we could beat whatever the tactics, whenever we faced a team who stood up to us, or employed tactics different to what we expected, he didn't have a clue what to do.
I think we won the league these last 2 years despite Ronny, and not because of him, we were on a downward spiral, that's why Sevco were so confident going into this season.
Thankfully we now have a manager who seems to know what he's doing.

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10 Dec 2016 19:39:15
Despite R D trying his best to get the results we all want, R D is regarded by a small number as a total failure . Brendan is implementing many of R D ideas .
Some people are hard to please, I read one person thinking we won back to back
Spls despite R D . That is plain stupid and it shows a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the role of manager and keeping the squad together and working together for a common goal .
Imagine for example how Commons would behave with a completely weak manager.

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10 Dec 2016 22:35:21
Old Bhoy, Ronny was a failure as a manager, he left us in a far poorer state than when he started.
If he was any use as a manager I'm sure that he would have found a job with a decent European team. It seems like none of the top European clubs seemed impressed with the job he did here, they surely can't all be wrong.

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10 Dec 2016 10:34:39
Seem to me the longer Ronny is away the worse his team plaged.
Ronny tried to set in place the same things that Rogers is doing now.
Difference is the instant respect that Rogers has got because of his reputation.
Players that were bother have been bombed out and the rest toeing the line.
No interference from the board or ceo.

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10 Dec 2016 12:17:54
Not disagreeing with the sentiment Kev, especially on terms of the instant respect, but I think a lot of what Rodgers has done/ is doing has been easier because of what Ronny set in motion behind the scenes.

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10 Dec 2016 12:39:58
PP, I tried to put a bit up first thing this morning down the page, pretty much going along those lines.

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10 Dec 2016 23:37:42
Said the same myself to a few people TPP, so in full agreement with you.

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10 Dec 2016 10:25:25
I think the papers are a bit premature with all this talk of celtic being invincible this season.

We have only played 14 games and have another 24 to go. The time to talk about this is if we get close to the seasons end and are still unbeaten.

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10 Dec 2016 14:47:02
Cant really see where the challenge is going to come from, unless Cathroe does something with Hearts, that would have been tge only reason to keep Ronnie, at least the league would have been much more compettitive.

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10 Dec 2016 14:49:25
For me going unbeaten all season would be nice but I would rather we got the league tied up early and started bringing the younger players into the starting eleven for experience this would be more beneficial in the long run for club and players.

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10 Dec 2016 15:43:21
You don't get any extra cash or trophies for winning the league unbeaten, but it does give the team and manager a place in Celtic folklore.
However sometimes these records become distracting and puts unnecessary pressure on a team with plenty still to play for on the domestic front.
Would rather we won the treble and the title at a canter - once again before the ridiculous and absurd 'split'.

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10 Dec 2016 16:53:37
Aindoh the league wasn't competitive when Ronny was here. He won it by double figures both seasons.
Aberdeens title challenge was something the press made up.

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10 Dec 2016 17:54:21
Was thinking about tjis year with the rangers.

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10 Dec 2016 19:47:56
There doesn't have to be a challenge from any particular team for Celtic to be beaten in any one game . Any game that we are off the boil for any reason and if the referee made a couple of honest mistakes and maybe a wee bit of wandering from Gordon and I think any team team could beat us . However hopefully all three elements won't line up against us in any one game and with a bit of luck we can go unbeaten.

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10 Dec 2016 10:08:47
Anybody read Mark Wilsons 'quote'?
Fans continually letting the club down?

Shame if this is straight from the horses mouth, always liked Wilson as a player, didn't see him as a guy to put down the fans.

Maybe it's taken out of context.

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10 Dec 2016 12:47:37
All our fans aren't angels Island celt. And are just as open to critisism as any other fanbase.

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10 Dec 2016 14:43:41
I heard it on clyde ssb it's true what the guy says why oh why Do people keep taking fireworks into games, it just gets the club into bother and gives all the Sevco loving press the chance to point the finger and shake their heads at us.

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10 Dec 2016 15:24:45
I agree 100%
Every support has morons, however morons are entitled to support the team as much as the next man.

I just think the 'continually letting the club down' quote was a load of crap.

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10 Dec 2016 19:52:00
I thought the fireworks went off from the home sections of the crowd . I am not saying that means that it wasn't Celtic fans that let them off . However only Crawford Wilson from Belfast was sure . He must have Superb eyesight.

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10 Dec 2016 01:46:56
Theres no denying the vast change from the last few years in this squad.

It is mostly down to the structure the manager has brought in and its one they players have bought into.

Is this just down to it being a big name manager? one the players automatically respected more?

Were the ideals that Deila was trying to imliment in th e squad so different? for me there were 3 main reasons.

1. Ronny not having as clear an approach on the training ground that the players could understand.
2. A greater sense of the season being a foregone conclusion.
3. John Collins.

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10 Dec 2016 07:51:15
You're bang on there with the automatic respect bit. I don't think it's right, but it's a huge factor.

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10 Dec 2016 08:32:04
Br is Desmonds pick which gives him more respect / power . he will be allowed to do his job as he sees fit without the interference / hinderence / Influence of others (collins. Park lawell) . the job was too big a step up imo at that stage in his career for ronnie right/ correct ideas / philosophy but just not enough experience to implement them at a club our size?

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10 Dec 2016 09:19:11
think the ronnie bashing on this forum isn't right imo, he spoke the same way as rodgers on the game but little brats in our squad undermined him at every chance they got. he brought tierney thru, bought jozo, eric, brought us 2 titles, a cup, a good run in europe, but people will still look at his legacy as the manager that lost a semi to rangers. might be in the minority but ill never bash a celtic boss, even barnes, good luck ronnie wherever your travels take you.

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10 Dec 2016 09:45:27
It's not Rd bashing saying the current manager and team are far better than his.

I actually liked Rd but it was bordering pitty. He was well out of his depth but in fairness to him he didn't seem to have a great deal of support.
John Collins as a no 2 had me concerned from the start especially after his problems at hibs.
Player revolt didn't help, commons in particular.

What he is responsible for is, playing players injured.
Playing several players out of position, Armstrong an example.
He didn't stand up for himself against the board or players.
He didn't get his message across in terms of tactics.
Never qualified for CL.

Personally I'm much happier with the current set up, there seems to be a style and structure to what we are aiming for.

HH.

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10 Dec 2016 09:50:33
wasnt talking about this post tbh Tick, just in general pal.

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10 Dec 2016 10:12:23
Maybe Ronnies just no a good manager the football was dyer he's a decent guy but something wasn't right and we're now seeing how a top class manager works night and day for me.

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10 Dec 2016 10:27:26
He's a coach not a manager but that's something we should have identified before we brought him in.

Bhoywonder not having a dig mate I totally get your point it's harsh ripping him when he did actually do some good. It's just the current set up is night and day but I agree that I wish him all the best for the future.

HH.

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10 Dec 2016 11:04:19
Wish you would all stop tslking about Ronnie.

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10 Dec 2016 15:29:09
Hopefully when we are celebrating 10 in a row (for me the ultimate goal) we will appreciate Ronnie's two titles and place in history.
Everybody has their opinions on the guy, but he's left the club. I wish him well and hope he's part of the 10th title celebration party.

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10 Dec 2016 15:46:14
If you don't like it don't read it aindoh.

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10 Dec 2016 00:51:31
Does anyone know of a replacement lined up for John park, after he left there was a couple of names bandied around but since then it's gone quiet.

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{Ed007's Note - Park's actual role is now defunct and the Club are overhauling the scouting/recruitment so I don't think there will be a direct Park replacement,}

10 Dec 2016 07:31:57
Park for me, was masquerading as a Director of Football. With BR being his own man, and previously expressing disproval at working under a role, I don't think we'll see one. A technical director? More likely, but between the expertise of people like Driscoll, McGuinness, McCart and Naylor, we could have those bases covered to a level that is already satisfactory for BR. We'll obviously see in the coming months how much he sees McGuiness and McCart as part of his set up. It's easy to get mixed up between titles and roles though. My guess would that we'll see a new head scout soon enough.

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