Celtic Banter Archive December 10 2013

10 Dec 2013 20:54:16
I suppose out of all this comes the arguments again for safe standing sections, just the fact a lot of Clubs need to introduce a singing section at all.

Its okay saying we could sing over the GB but I don't take a drum to the football and its unfair to say its only them that create an atmosphere, that's not strictly true. 250 fans in an 60000 capacity stadium cannot create an atmosphere themselves although they do play a big part (won't take that away from them)

The need for all seater stadiums brought with it a more tamer atmosphere. A lot of teenage fans have never stood in a terrace, they have no idea what that is like so hardly their fault they follow all this 'Ultra' thing. Obviously seating was brought in for a very good reason and this reason is still very raw and will remain so for decades to come.

Personally I would like to see a safe standing area considered and wondered what everyone else's thoughts were on why these singing sections have become the modern way and not just at Celtic?

It works in other countries. In particular, my favourite league, the Bundesliga. Can we be trusted though? Unless sections of our support start behaving then I guess not.

Totally agree Mrs E on the safe standing area, but I also think the MC on the live PA system could interact more with the fans to create an atmosphere just like the ones in Germany do, every time you watch a game in Germany you constantly here the MC interacting with the fans, also like at the end of games the players interact with the fans jumping around and singing with them.Macca

I'm all for safe standing, the rail seat model in Germany is fantastic. The seat is either a more sturdier plastic than the kind in UK stadiums or in some cases metal + it folds up vertically on the rail when no one is sitting on it. The rail itself is about waist height (around 1m) on the spectator behind them. This means it can be a safe standing zone domestically + seated in Europe.

I think Celtic, Oldco, Aberdeen, Hearts + Dunfermline had the Safe Standing Roadshow up a year or two ago*** demonstrating how it would work. Their proposal is 10% of the home end + 5% of the away sector has the rail seat. In a 60,000 capacity with an away sector of roughly 3,000 would mean replacing around 5, 850 seats all in? Think how little amount of seats the likes of St Mirren, Ross County, Inverness, St Johnstone, Partick, etc (all around or under 10,000) would be replacing. I couldn't imagine it'd be too cost effective!

*** Around about the time the Safe Standing Roadshow + FSF visited these clubs, the SPL announced a relaxation of their rules on safe standing at an AGM, but not a single club has taken this option up. What was the point in voting for safe standing if the clubs don't pursue it? Is it to make the fans believe they're doing something to bring the crowds in?

HamiltonBhoy

A safe standing section in some form would be a fantastic idea. Football stadiums definitely lost some of their atmosphere when all-seating was introduced. Assuming it'd done in the correct fashion we could see a return to the days when fans could really enjoy the moment in a way you just can't when you're sitting.

Hail Hail

10 Dec 2013 18:14:26
Why do we have a fulham loanee in our u19s? Anyhow he just sold the jerseys against barca u19s, ., .kbarry

He's probably there just to annoy you kbarry, the way you keep popping up to annoy everyone else! lol

Hail Hail

He's been pretty rancid anytime I've seen him play, doubt he'll get a deal with us Kbarry! We let go a perfectly good young Italian keeper as well.

{Ed007's Note - He is only here to play in this tournament and as back up to Forster and Zaluska.}

Lol. ChrisBhoy.

Bigbadjohn

@2 isn't Fasan still there? @1 expected you to get your wee reply in there christinebhoy, lol, ., .kbarry

{Ed007's Note - Fasan is still here but he exceeds the age limit for the UYL.}

Lol kbarry
Ach, l like you really

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

@5 same goes, and i'll take you along to paradise one day, ., .kbarry

I didn't realise Leo Fasan was still there lads, I thought he was around 19. My bad!

HamiltonBhoy

10 Dec 2013 14:45:27
So 60 seats were broken at Fir Park on Friday, the GB have 250 season tickets at Celtic Park now we have suspended tickets for 128 people and the GB might be disbanded. There is no figures of how many of the 128 tickets were for 111 yet every member of that section has also been suspended. There are reports of people from 110 & 112 and 412 & 413 having tickets suspended, so it is actually more than 250 tickets that have been suspended without any evidence being provided of anyone's guilt.Some people on here need to look at the cold hard facts before jumping to conclusions. I predict that there will be a major climbdown by the club as they have produced no evidence to anyone suspended why they have been. If they have evidence why hasn't there been arrests made, the club is quick enough to pass on fans info to the police any other time. Here is the official statement by the FAC

Fans Against Criminalisation have noted the statement released by Celtic yesterday and the media coverage of the events of Friday night at Fir Park. All of the organisations associated with this campaign (Celtic Supporters' Association, Celtic Trust, Green Brigade, Affiliation of Registered CSCs and Association of Irish CSCs) condemn wanton acts of vandalism and have no objection to those responsible, if identified and after a fair and transparent investigation, being suitably disciplined. There are stadium regulations and laws which deal with such actions and our campaign is not against those laws. We wish to make it clear that what happened on Friday has absolutely nothing to do with our campaign against the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act which is a campaign against the criminalisation of free speech and political expression. We note attempts by the media to conflate the issues of vandalism with legitimate protest and we are confident that fair-minded people will see that for what it is. GBTGB

Just because you object to the terms of the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act doesn't mean you're right. Since when was a sporting venue the ideal location for any Act of Parliament? Just because it refers to football stadiums doesn't mean that's where the protests should be. All you are doing is giving credence to the Act itself instead of objecting to it in the correct way.
Why did the Green Brigade choose Celtic Park and not the local Tesco store with flags and banners for their protest? I'll tell you why, it is because it isn't the right forum for such a demonstration.
Freedom of speech is all well and good but when it infringes on the liberties of others who don't particularly want to see or hear it then the potential benefit of the demonstration will be undone by the opposition it encounters. Like the majority of fans I go to Celtic Park to watch my beloved team, not to hear or see the nonsense that the GB think is right.
Have whatever views you want but take the objections to the people who might care or who are in a position to influence decisions. Take it to the SFA, the Scottish Paliament or your granny's aunties nephew but do not tkae it to our beloved football club.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Sporting venues have always been an ideal location for acts of parliment, the day mandela was freed there were masses at a football arena to hear him speak. I myself visited celtic park years ago to listen to american evangelist Billy Graham speak, and you go to celtic park to see your beloved team, Do ya?, ., .kbarry

10 Dec 2013 16:52:28
Wer these demonstrations during a sporting occasion?
Am sure the green brigade could try get a venue and air there beliefs ad probably go cause it wouldn't bring trouble to Celtic and a agree with most of there points. If the seats wer wrecked the GB would get the blame and the bill.

Yes kbarry, I do.
Yet again you come out with a ridiculous comment. It's clear that Billy Graham didn't have much effect on you with your narrow-minded views about politics and terrorism. Or were you too busy humming a republican song to listen to the great man?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Billy Graham a great man? You're having a laugh surely Chris, maybe you should read up a bit on his background. He was nothing more than a charlatan and a conman, and that's me being nice.}

Oh dear Ed I didn't know that about him. Even more shame on kbarry for going to see the charlatan of a conman. Shame on you indeed kbarry. or were you there do demonstrate against him being there! lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Anyone who was as friendly as he was with the Clinton's deserves further examination. Just Google 'billy graham deception' or 'billy graham truth'.}

@3 not the point, 1 stated "sporting venue", ., .kbarry

@4 chris by the way, I think its a wee bit sus that it was exactly the amount of games youve been to that's exactly the amount of seats broken? 1 seat for every game you attended?, ., .kbarry

@4 there you go chrissy, your "great man"(a man u know nothing about)spout was shot down there pal. You do really need to get to know your facts here pal, also remember what you say/spout on earlier posts. As for me "narrow minded" not me mate. I should know what happens and has happened in years gone by as I've ben there, not just a mere 60 games. If you have your healthy business and can afford 20k out your own pocket to just give away, then I believe you should make more time for our "beloved" club, ., .kbarry

@7). I knew you had a sense of humour hiding in you somewhere kbarry.lol
It's just a pity it's surrounded by so much bollox though!

Hail Hail

@8.Emm, kbarry, it was YOU who went to see him, not me! lol
You've been everywhere and seen everything. Dammit, you're such a warrior! lol
Stop digging your own hole! lol

Hail Hail

@OP

I would suspect there hasn't been arrests made yet as the Section was overcrowded and no everyone was on their allocated seat making it difficult. Celtic aren't the Police so its not their place to make arrests but if there is an investigation by the Police (which I suspect there will be) then there a legal obligation for Celtic to pass on details such is our modern society.

Celtic do have a bill from Fir Park though for over £10,000 and nobody has offered to pay for the damages, not a single soul. They have (rightly or wrongly) taken the decision to suspend 128 Season Tickets with the hope of speaking to the ticketholder and have invited them over the Celtic Park as part of their own investigation.

Unfortunately they see this as the only way to deal with the situation. Celtic are conducting their own investigation as the damage was done in their section, by their fans and in Celtic's name. The Club could also face further disciplinary action.

That's great all these Supporter Associations have spoken, really nice but who do they represent? The majority of fans, minority of fans or really no idea?

I don't know how Celtic should deal with this and its maybe not ideal suspending tickers of fans who could be innocent but Celtic have been backed into this corner by a section of its own fans. Don't want to see innocent fans suffer then the guilty ones also have a part to play here as well. So let's be hearing why you thought it was a good idea to throw a flare at Celtic's goalkeeper, cause over £10k worth of damage while supporting the team and are sitting back letting other fans take the blame?

Easy to blame the Club but they did not cause this situation.

10 Dec 2013 13:24:34
out of all that the green brigade have done the only thing I could class as damaging is pulling apart a few seats. not enough for them to be dispanded

so what if they had a banner its there view after all and i'm fully in support of that as it was said further down the page about the poppy debate and all that

we as a club could learn a lot from german teams. I have been to a few games each year there and to be honest the atmosphere at an avaerage league game there is amazing. flares, smoke bombs, flags, and constant singing. celtic park will be the quietest ground in the country until the end of the season when the fans want to get to the trophy party and hopefully the cup final

10 Dec 2013 17:52:18
Unfortunately that's not what the people who rule football see it

10 Dec 2013 08:37:02
No doubt get shot down but anyone think big adebayor could worth trying 2 get? out of favour at spurs looking for a move a know he's been linked with a move 2 turkey and they would offer better wages and am no sure about his contract situation but he is only 29 still quite young plenty champions league experience, wouldn't command a big transfer fee. Really think he would do a crackin job if he screwed the nut. It's only an idea mind folks lol so don't jump down ma throat

GunnieBhpy

Wages are still astronomical from his time at City, hence why no other Premiership teams have gone in for him. Agree he would be class, the Celtic Kanu lol, but unfortunatly well out of our (and most clubs) range wages wise!

Tompo88

Not a chance. Would love to see a guy like that play for us but his wages will be massive. Also I'm not sure he wouldn't be disruptive to the dressing room. Great player though.

10 Dec 2013 13:13:59
no chance would I have him. he's berbatov in disguise. yes he can have a very very odd decent game but he just doesn't look interested anymore. also are city not paying him wages still? I think he gets something like 3-5 mill if he's still with spurs on the end of january=moneygrabber

10 Dec 2013 00:01:56
Only in this little country, If the Green Brigade are to be disbanded by our crooked money grabbing board then let's waive good-bye to the thunder from paradise that Lenny asked for a few seasons ago. Can't we see this little country will do anything to hinder us, the establishment's team died of their own doing, so now they start picking on us playing their political card. This kinda stuff is used all over the world of football, but only us that get hammered for it. Makes me sick, ., .kbarry

The board did not set off smoke bombs destroy seats or display political banners after promising not to. We are a football club not a branch of the IRA. This is a great little country and if you don't like the politics then stand for election. Don't drag Celtic FC and the good supporters into your agenda. We only want to sing the praises of our team and enjoy the fantastic football of the last few weeks John

@1 Celtic FC dragged the players and fans into politics by enforcing the wearing of poppies, not the other way about. Don't want to go back over that debate again but they shouldn't be allowed to make such political statements and expect the fans not to have an opinion of their own. My own grandfather fought against the nazis in WW2 but these days the whole poppy rubbish has been hijacked by the government as a money making exercise. Just my opinion, if I'm still allowed one. PS, your surnames not Reid by any chance is it?

The green brigade were out of order and got what they deserved. Football is family entertainment, how is taking your child to a game where smoke bombs and vandalism acceptable whatever your political or religious beliefs? What kind of example is that? It's not what hard working decent people do and not the arena to vent your beliefs. We are pretty lucky in the times that we live and a whole lot better than previous generations have gone through. Things are meant to improve, this behavior is a big step backwards and vandalism of this type is completely repulsive and not the celtic way. Rise above and yes the media will jump on any misstep by the club or support but we have shown in the past we are up to the task.

10 Dec 2013 07:30:55
K Barry who is it that had the problem with the banners at the AC Milan game?

Op why don't you take a look at your own words.the establishment died by thier own doing, well that's what the gb just did! Why can't you see that? How many warnings did they get, a lot, and they said they will follow the rules but lied. It is them and thier own doing that cause trouble for our club, for how many fines does it take for our club to be punished for thier act before you and others wake up. You seem to care more for the gb reputation the Celtics, why don't you build a stadium and go lisen to them then.
You say the thunder is gone now, well you don't kno that, maybe this will make the stadium and fans make the noise now to prove that they will not be missed. Funny how all this political stuff comes out in the past few games when the gb is in trouble, but when they act properly all we talk about is what a performance by the club and actual football talk. And just because others may do stuff at other clubs dosent mean it flies with us, the club holds its self to the highest and our reputation was great of the the years as the best but the gb have affected it with thier own agenda and so it is of thier own doing. Hoopsbhoy

@2 Marky WHEN dd Celtic enforce you or anybody else to wear a poppy?. I think you are making it all up to suit your argument, never have I had a letter from Celtic stating I must wear a poppy and I am willing to bet neither has anyone else, you don't want to get into the debate again because you know you are wrong
Tambhoy

@6 thomas, who are(do you think you are)you, that celtic would send you a letter. To wear a poppy or not? Ha, ., .kbarry

@5 hoopsbhoy(ha) the G.B are still alive and kicking wee man, that horrible mob are dead Fact! So were is your comparison? Are you a zombie just using hoops-bhoy as a decHoy, your wrong and you know you are, ., .kbarry

@7 A typical reply from someone who obviously think's their smarter than the average bear, read the post before you talk a lot of $hit, as far as I am aware you have only ever put one sensible post on here all the rest is justdrivel, if you don't have the intellect to have a serious debate why don't you just eat your ice cream, there's a good boy.
Tambhoy

@7 Just as an addendum, Celtic send me a letter every season, don't they send you one, maybe you don't attend as many game's as you boast about
Tambhoy

@9&10 tommybhoy I ain't no bear, can you tell me what my only decent post was? And does your yearly letter contain any info on weather to wear a poppy or not?, ., .kbarry

@11 This prove's you don't know what you are writing half the time, the one about Lenny being our manager, as for nothing said about wearing a poppy in my yearly letter, was that not what I said or are you too dense to understand that, I notice you never answered my question about YOUR season ticket and Your boast about how many game's you have attended, wait with bated breath for that answer, not, probably the same crap you spout any way
Tambhoy

@12 TAMpaxBHOY it "proves" nothing and your the dense one buddy, ., .kbarry