Celtic Banter Archive August 10 2014

10 Aug 2014 18:42:27
Warsaw should be sanctioned by UEFA for the statements they are making - they made the mistake, UEFA made the judgement Celtic have to go by their ruling! We are being made to look like cowards & cheats and it angers me. I fully appreciate we were beaten by a far better side but our reputation is being attacked and so far CFC are doing nothing - we should be stating the facts or asking UEFA to set the records straight, they are after all the 'ruling' body.

I think celtic will wait for the appeal before making a comment

10 Aug 2014 19:45:35
A felt sorry for them on friday but not now it's a disgrace how we are being made 2 look here. End of the day this is between uefa and legia not us so why are they writing 2 us about a 1 off game and now making out like we are scared. Hope they get hammered off uefa again for all this carryon. GiRFUY

The people who are making us out like cowards and cheats are from the Legia club who are trying to safe face with their own fans . Also of course the MSSM are rubbing their hands with glee in reporting ad nauseum Legia's plight and ignoring again the problems from Govan .

10 Aug 2014 18:27:12
Does any1 know how the appeal process works with this legia situation? If they were to appeal and win would there have to be another draw for all team because they were not a seeded team in the play off round so they would have got a harder draw than Maribor and also if this was to happen would it not open the flood gates for teams who got a tough draw to then come out and say well we might have got a better draw if legia were in the pot rather than celtic surely uefa can't go back now teams and fans must have already started to make travel arrangements can anybody clear this up?

Not going to happen. There is no grey area here. The player was under suspension and should never have been allowed to step on to the field of play. The punishment was not decided at the hearing, it was already laid out in black and white. The hearing only confirmed that Legia fielded (regardless of scoreline or time on the park) a suspended player.

10 Aug 2014 17:30:49
Bhoys serious heads on now. We are Celtic FC. I have seen the request from Warsaw to allow them to go I to the next round. We can, as Peter Lewwell will do, ignore the request. But we are wrong to do so. We are Celtic FC. If we hide our heads in the sand, we tell Peter Lawwell that what he does regarding signing inferior suers and taking our money is OK. We tell him that it's all right to be "Sevco like". No we are Celtic. That is not what we do. We were beaten fair and square. Unless we stand up to this font ever talk about the teams that kicked us off the park and won. Don't tell me about hoe Sevco won 9 in a row by buying the league. Don't tell me about how we were persecuted by the old SFA and Rangers got all the support from the establishment. If we want to blow 126 years of tradition, honesty and fair play for a shot at a 4th round opportunity to get into the CL then we have all got it wrong. We are Celtic we sre not Sevco sometimes that means doing the right thing.Hail Hail.

{Ed007's Note - Sorry but that's just complete garbage - it's got nothing to do with CFC, it's down to UEFA so take it up with them.}

Johnnymac i'm going out tonight. You got any of the marching powder you are on?

Johhnnymac
You must have Polish friends . If by any means UEFA 's ruling could be overturned or set aside, then the entire integrity of UEFA would be permanently destroyed .

Sorry johnny but we are "poles apart" on this one, next round is worth 1.8 mill reason enough for me

Sorry Johnny but that's utter rubbish.

Other than the fact we have nothing to apologize or be sorry for, this is the Elite competition in Club football - there is no way this could be allowed to happen; even on the moral cloud upon which you think we live.

Think about it, what's next? A team is eliminated by an offside goal or a poor refereeing decision - so they challenge the team on the other end of it to a rematch.

It would after all, be morally right - but it's never going to happen.

I had sympathy for Legia at the start but calling Celtic out like this has annoyed me.

Facts are they made a mistake, a UEFA delegate spotted the issue. UEFA ruled on it and we profited.

Can't see much wrong with this and don't think Legia would have given up the slice of luck if the boot was on the other foot.

10 Aug 2014 19:08:37
Ed007 you have missed the point. I am not saying it's Celtics fault, I agree it is a UEFA decision. Read the post. Do you really think we will qualify for the group stages anyway? I have been going to Celtic games since 1965. We talk about Rapid Vienna kicking us Off the pitch. 20 years later we are still bleating about it. If we just accept this we are no better than Lawwell just taking the money. Let's grow a pair. We got beat, accept it and move on.

{Ed007's Note - Aye, ok then. So you would be happy to see CFC punished just so you can take the moral highground? We can't moan about teams breaking the rules then ask our own club to also break them.}

Why bring Celtic in to this? Nothing to do with us and UEFA is not going to change a decision this late on
all saying that I think UEFA have to put a gagging order on them for more or less trying to blame us .
Its like the other side saying it was Greens fault they lost today

10 Aug 2014 20:49:21
Maybe all the other teams that finished
2nd, 3rd, and 4th in their leagues should also grow a pair and decline to take part in the CHAMPIONS league, as non of them are champions. Just a technicality, but I can`t see it happening

10 Aug 2014 20:41:02
Johnnymac, I completely agree with your post. We should be bigger than this and the money involved. Not as though it would be invested back in the team judging by current state of affairs. We should do the RIGHT thing. UEFA might say no but we should do the right thing!

If we do the right thing as you see it angel then what do you think about st pats having to play against a full squad to pick from rather than being a man short from that squad? I had sympathy for legia but they inadvertently cheated and were punished accordingly to our benefit.

I, like most of us, felt that Legia were hard done by. However, their actions are now disgusting. They broke the rules, the punishment was already laid down from the start. As Ed mentioned previously. Any Celtic Director who suggested that we play them would be in breach of the rules. In addition, who do Legia think they are by trying to override EUFA? I think they will receive further punishment (just my opinion). They are on a damage limitation exercise and bringing our integrity into question. All these persons in the media should shut to **** up and give their backsides a chance, but of course that does not sell their programme or newspapers. We all signed up and knew the rules (their fault if they did not). We qualify because at the end of the day. they broke the rules

10 Aug 2014 17:33:51
Ed what's this that Legia have asked Celtic to have a meeting about who should be in the Champions League. I don't get how they can involve us in it and how we can tell Uefa we want Legia to take their place when they've been banned. It doesn't make any sense.

{Ed007's Note - Legia haven't been banned from anything, they forfeited the match 3-0 and we went through on the away goals rule, if they had scored one of their penalties over there we would have still went out after the forfeit. Legia are playing in the EL play-offs.}

I didn't mean banned sorry. I get we get a 3-0 home win and go through on away goal. I was just curious why the BBC are reporting that Legia are wanting to hold talks with Celtic. Like you've said in previous posts we can't exactly forfeit our place. As neither of us would go through.

{Ed007's Note - I think Legia are feeling a bit sorry for themselves and chancing their arm, they should be careful CFC don't report them to UEFA for dragging us into their mess.}

10 Aug 2014 16:14:45
Re: Today's Poll, 'Do you trust DELIA to sign the players?', I had to answer yes, as her Recipes have usually been trustworthy ones up until now . (Who writes these Polls - eh? Bet they're English! )

The Sno Man

{Ed007's Note - Hahaha Yes it's Ed001 that writes them :)

I think ronny will be told who Is signing for the club that's why he was appointed lawell will be in charge I think sad but true not a rant but something ain't right at celtic the now business first football second not right hope we get some good players in as it Is badly needed hh

10 Aug 2014 14:39:19
Just heard that Legia have offered to play Celtic in a one-off game with winner progressing to CL qualifying game. While it might be honourable to most it would be suicidal by us. Also, Ed, surely this would not be recognised by EUFA and could result in fine/suspension for both clubs. (E.g. Man City got beat they could offer to play a one-off game. Where would it end?) can't see it being approved or happening.

{Ed007's Note - I don't know how UEFA would view it but what is immediately flagged up is that no CFC director can give up the CL place as it would place them in breach of their director duties (s.172 Companies Act 2006) and liable to civil proceedings.}

Good point Ed.

10 Aug 2014 14:40:12
Just checking the info on BBC Scotland Sportcene programme tonight at 10.25 and it states:- Highlights of the SPFL Scottish Premiership - Aberdeen v Dundee U, St Johnstone v Ross County and Rangers v Hearts!
They just canny stop themselves, can they?


JJ

Hit the record button on your box JJ just in case you miss it "the bile" have lost there unbeaten alreadies :-) Kris Boyd has not lost any of his blistering pace! and the natives were restless ;-)

10 Aug 2014 15:35:30
Whilst they shouldn't be on it. I'm very pleased they are on it tonight. Pmsl. All I've heard fae rangers fans is that we are crapping ourselves because they are coming to catch us. Lol. They won't get out that league at first attemp. Hearts hibs aren't only teams in that league they should b wary of. It's a competitive league. Deluded the lot of them they really are. See trying to tell them. Brick wall

I know what you mean; I have Sevco family members and all week I have been hearing how 'there is nothing between us really' and bad we are.
I know I voice my own concerns on here, but I'll never give them an inch.

The most annoying thing is the denial and affront that they are still 'rangers' using the same ground and training complex and the 1872 lie.
There are those in authority that could burst this bubble of deceit in a second but choose silence - and Lawell should have spoke out loudest.

JJ

10 Aug 2014 12:59:15
Alexander Tonev in on loan? another one that was previously on our radar so that ain't a RD singing either! A year's loan subject to making it permanent? Watched him play a game for Aston Villa and had a SHOCKER never really resurfaced after it!

Is it just me? Am expecting 2 or 3 into tomorrow (CL deadline bar plus 1 possible!) and one of they meet the press when they are all presented together!

Anything else/less is just a SHAM tbh

ATVB JB7

Tonev turned us down last year but it just shows lawell is making the signings we will not sign players with good quality prob a few loans or some unknown from Scandinavia tbh I can't se us getting past Maribor the how poor we are

Your right Gbhoy he plumped for villa ahead of us when a saw him play that stinker a was relieved he missed an open goal and had more "misplaced passes" than Rolf Harris at a Summer Fete!

There is one thing certain, we won't be buying our way to success, those days are long gong .

10 Aug 2014 10:22:51
Had wee wedding to go to yesterday and wake up to the news that Fraser has left.

Gutted but not unexpected, as soon as Craig Gordon signed this was always going to happen. Wish him all the best.

Now with having a fews days to calm down after the CL debacles I hope we really sign some quality players.

Seen names mentioned on here already, lots where potential Lennon signings so I wonder, did RD not say that he wanted to sign players he wanted and not guys that are lying the scouts scrapbook?

Also wanted to comment on the 3 duds we signed last year, did Lennon not say that we did not pay the figures quoted in the papers for Derk, Pukki and Balde?

Don't worry Deila cannot be accused of signing players from the scrapbooks of scouts. At least he can't be blamed for that .

10 Aug 2014 01:16:03
Would this be a good time to mention that it looks like Nike won't be renewing their deal with CFC? American sports kit and equipment manufacturer Warrior Sports (Liverpool, Stoke City, Sevilla and Porto's kit suppliers) have been mooted as possible replacement.
I'm not saying this is a certainty, there's a long way to go yet but I was told about it the other night and was waiting for a couple of people to get back to me about it before mentioning anything, one of the people I asked said that Warrior have been looking to strengthen their foothold in football and CFC would be a good move for them.

Would celtic get more or less money from warrior if this were to happen?

Suppose that's the main question bigbhoy. In terms of the actual kit they make, Warrior make some stinking stuff.

Having seen the Liverpool strips (especially the away and third strips) I am not too impressed with what warrior have to offer but if that is where the money is then we will have to go for it.

In the present climate of money being more important than anything else do you think a warrior suggestion of changing from Hoops to stripes might considered for a million extra a season??

If Nike pulled the plug on Man U, they will do so on us me thinks, a suspect like others it will all come down to the money

09 Aug 2014 23:25:47
One for you Ed. Any idea if we have a sell on clause in the Forster deal?. Gutted to see the big man go but not unexpected. Judging by this summer Southampton are every bit a selling club as us, all be it with a bigger budget, so a sell on clause could well become useful.

{Ed007's Note - I've not heard any talk of one so far.}

I'd hope so. Given we only get 75% of the fee anyway I don't think kt's a good enough deal. If Gordon IS his replacement I think I'll have had it.

{Ed007's Note - It's 75% of the profit we get, not 75% of the total fee, we made £6 million off the deal.}

Ed did we not have to pay a fee each year he was on loan aswell?

{Ed007's Note - Yep but I didn't want to complicate things, cheers :)

Even worse then!

Come on Jim this was a good deal for both parties. Where scottish football is just now we must show a willingness to allow good players to move on if a good offer comes in. In recent years we've lost McGeady hooper wanyama ki and now Forster all for good money the important thing is that we reinvest properly in replacements which this season hasn't happened yet.

God what do we expect to get . Big F F has done a wonderful job for us . We had 2 x 1 year loan deals and then we signed him on a four year deal . Which I think gives us a good financial return plus a good return on the pitch . We can't count the loan deals as they weren't part of the contract .

The 'small print' of transfer deals are often 'invisible' to ordinary supporters who assume that the 'top line' is the sum we receive.
We did make a half decent profit - all things considered, but it leaves us in a very difficult position.
Not only have we lost an International goalie but we are seen to have '£10m' to spend and prices will be inflated accordingly - assuming we actually bring in some players?!

JJ

{Ed007's Note - There are taxes, agents fees, taxes on agents fees, residual insurances, relocation expenses, arrangement fees all to be considered in addition to the transfer fee and then the wages.

As for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).
(n) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:

(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding wages and bonuses).}