07 Feb 2016 17:25:39
The apologists are holding our great club back

The RD sympathisers should be ashamed of themselves

The fans that see the merit in becoming a selling club built upon talent spotting and PR spin to talk up player values leading to team deconstruction and perennial team I building should hang their heads

We deserve so so so much more given club' s status and domestic resources

We are akin to a rudderless ship at risk in the high seas with a shipwreck our only hope in order to put us out of our misery and stop the sea sickness

We need a shipwreck ( St mirren park 4-0 ) to end the woe

Two scruffy goals from set pieces against an actual pub team is the height of ridiculousness by the way

We got through you say? Are you being serious?

The team is not responding like a team that can knuckle down and get back to the core basics of being a CFC player ; desire commitment hunger passion et al.

Perhaps the answer is to back the team and hope against all odds that we can be transported back in time to the days when winning with a bit to spare was as inevitable as Tuesday following Monday's

I love my club but I don't recognise it these days

We are becoming an irrelevance and the blame rests with RD JC JK JP PL and many of the players

If a for sale sign went up for the whole lot would we miss anyone, really?

A new board and a new direction with a new chief executive, manager and playing pool would at least signal some sort of re birth

The PR machine has us divided. Divide and conquer. How true?

Give me back a CFC I can relate to pleeeeeeeeaaaaassseeeeeeee!

I thought big CM did okay today and KT and the Great Dane. Other than that hmmmmmmmmm

we did win but RD gets no credit for that. To do so would be insulting. I think I could manage Celtic to a 2-0 win over EkDCABC or whatever they're called

Root and branch and all that

Taxi numbers at the ready
Or über
Whatever you want and I'll pick up the tab

Mr Moyes or Mr Stubbs, anyone that can give us a little bit of Celtic back

Even the green brigade are out of songs such is the energy sapping prowess of this squad of players.

1.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 17:33:28
Derek McInnes has won more than those two have as managers. He plays the coveted 442, and if the media (and this board) is to be believed has Aberdeen playing with the hearts of lions.

So DM for Manager? Will that work for you?

2.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 17:43:45
DM is in a different league to RD and to argue anything different would be plain daft.

3.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 17:55:21
Poetic I was talking about Mr moyes and not the wannabe Rangers manager Macinnes. No time whatsoever for that man.

4.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 17:58:15
I stopped reading this after I saw 'apologists' Any need for it? Folk are allowed different opinions.

5.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 17:59:54
I didn't compare David Moyes to RD. I compared him to Alan Stubbs (because those where your suggestions) and further compared them both to Derek McInnes. Keep up.

6.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:06:35
Poet I can more than keep up sir

Cmcbhoy you'd do well to read all views and opinions. Never a downside to seeing it all from every conceivable perspective

Learning. Curves and all that.

7.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:10:39
Mr poet

Stubbs has taken a gutless heartless defeatist Hibernian and given them structure energy belief and direction on a shoestring.

His achievements make RDs look doubly worse

You should keep up sir.

PS Stubbs would have been just as left field as RD at the time of RD appointment

We got RD wrong. It was a gamble. It was calculated. I can see the merit in elements of it BUT it hasn't or isn't working out

Hibernians gamble is paying off and their starting point was a lot worse than CFCs when the Norwegian took up the reigns

Do you agree?

8.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:11:57
Poetic patient,
Have you never noticed, DM. has great difficulty actually saying the word CELTIC, do you really want HIM as manager.

9.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:34:04
Maybe I would if they didn't start off with a criticism of other Celtic fans.

10.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:48:55
-Paradisewon

Yes Stubbs has done well for Hibs - but Peter Houston has done (in my opinion) just as well, if not better, with Falkirk. Would you be happy with him as Celtic manager?

I'm not saying Stubbs hasn't done well -- nor am I saying David Moyes isn't a good manager -- but none of that excuses the fact that on the basis of your original post, Derek McInnes would be a better choice of manager for Celtic. He plays 442 in your face attacking football. I hear that's the be all and end all. He has a trophy and he's plying his trade in the top league. Or nearest challengers no less and as some would have you believe, the champions elect.

I'm not saying I want him -- I don't want any of the two you mentioned either -- but I find it more than a little coincidental that the two you mention have a Celtic connection, whilst Derek McInnes has a Rangers one. Which gets to the heart of the matter - and why RD has not had 100% of the fans backing since day one. To say Stubbs and RD would have been the same left field appointment is ridiculous. Stubbs had no managerial experience yet would have been afforded considerably more leeway, much as Neil Lennon was, by the fans.

-CostaTim

As above, I'm not saying I want Derek McInnes, I'm simply making the point that he has won more than either of the two mentioned/ combined, one of whom isn't going to be the Celtic Manager (Moyes) and the other, had he not captained Celtic, wouldn't even be getting mentioned. (and if he was, fans would be going mental! )

11.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:58:59
booohoooooo CMCBHOY

what age are you …10?

Celtic fans are made up of all sorts and some are below contempt just like many people in all walks of life

I would condemn flare throwing celtic fans too

we are the most passive of passive nowadays and indifference is what will leave us stranded and at sea

be warned sir.

12.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 18:40:11
poetic would only be happy with a scandanavian because they are mighty with the pen and can deliver great lectures

their philosophy on the game is second to none and they see a very bright future with the 4 1 2 2 1

its the future tim

keep up sir : (

13.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 19:11:36
Interesting to see Old Bhoy is nowhere to be seen tonight.

14.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 19:11:28
That's the spirit paradise: lose the argument/ debate and resort to gibberish and nonsense points to divert attention. Well done - executed like a pro.

15.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 19:30:59
Poetic

I was willing to back him on day one, though quickly he showed his deficiencies. I thought he took our club for granted playing Berget in a CL qualifier when the guy hadn't trained with the team. He made lots of mistakes that put him, under pressure, but fair play to him he pulled it round particularly after Xmas last year and the team started to be progressing. However this year he has overseen too many pathetic performances and it is clear to anyone who care to take an honest appraisal that he cannot deliver what we need and what he promised. I don't have a problem if a coach wants to play 4231, however he can't implement it because he is tactically unaware. this is coupled with an arrogance where he is either unable or unwilling to focus on the opposition and recognise how they can hurt us.

16.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 20:02:24
That's all well and good Grout but it has nothing to do with the thread at hand.

Whilst I don't think there is a lot to argue with in there in -- it seems some people are so desperate to discuss their reasons for why RD is failing, they'll just post it anywhere.

One thing I will say, that critique for playing Berget (which I agree with BTW) is the exact reason why playing Ambrose was correct against Ross County - though some fans still complained that he should have started with Sviatchenko, given how wonderful hindsight is.

17.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 20:58:12
Poetic I was responding to your point that because RD did not have a Celtic background lots of fans didn't get behind him. I was pointing out from my point of view his early decisions and mistakes had more to do with the reduction in support for him. I think lots of people who had doubts became more willing to believe he would be successful in the second half of last season. Like many I approached this season with a good degree of optimism but it has been a crushing disappointment.

like you I dint blame him for playing Ambrose in the semi final. PL continually waits to the last minute to bring players in. surely we could have got ES in earlier in the window and given him time to settle in, probably down to the usual penny pinching.

18.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 21:21:26
Fair enough Grout - I just don't think you should feel the need to justify what your original viewpoint was on him because I'm not calling anyone out (or accusing anyone in particular) and those who do/ did think that way know who they are.

As I said above, there's little to disagree with (from my POV) what you said. I think it all makes sense.

19.) 07 Feb 2016
07 Feb 2016 21:22:02
To be clear Grout - that wasn't a dig at you. I just mean you shouldn't feel the need to justify yourself (to anyone) about such things.