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18 Apr 2016 13:04:41
I've been hearing that Owen coyle high on the list for the job I wouid rather have Brendan Rodgers tbh 8 million won't get far on spending we need least 30 to 40 million to compete in Europe.

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18 Apr 2016 13:42:27
You think 40 million would make us compete in Europe?

18 Apr 2016 16:48:39
Define compete in Europe! The first thing we need to do is get a manager who can punch above his weight, someone who is streetwise, and someone with a bit of savvy/ experience. There's a fine line between being a romantic and being naive! For the life of me I don't know what Ronny and Collins etc are doing on the training pitch because I can't see evidence of one single thing they promised. We know the constraints the manager is going to be under. We also know the board are all fly-men who don't even know a fraction of what they think they know about football. Still there is plenty of managers that would be doing a far better job, under the same circumstances, than Deila. In fact I don't see how it's possible for this season to have been any worse. It's been one huge brass neck. You don't need fortunes to be a good team, Atletico under Simeone have spent buttons, they are arguably the toughest team to beat in Europe. They have I'd say 3 top top players, and I don't think any of them would get in the Barcelona team. Our problem is the board are all a bit backward, and when we need a manager all they can muster is Coyle, Lennon, Keane and Mowbray, last time even going for a supposed assistant. The qualifiers in July are going to be against the same quality of teams - Irish, Scandinavian, teams like Legia, Partisan Belgrade, Maribor, we should just thank God that before Platini got the bullet he brought in the champions route. These are teams we should be beating - our wage bill will be 2/ 3/ 4 times higher yet we've been humbled 2 years in a row. For me we need to qualify, then competing would be at least giving the better teams a game, coming off the pitch knowing we tried something to counteract their top players, or whatever it may be. Lennons final year was the same in Europe, - we need a manager who can outthink others, and make the most of what he has. There are plenty, there always has been and always will be. Bielsa is out a job, supposedly fancies working in the UK, been linked with Everton, supposedly knocked back Swansea because of the position they were in. I'm sure he wasn't on fortunes at Bilbao, I'm almost positive he didn't speak French before he went to Marsielle, so why not offer him whatever he wants to take the job. I know the board don't have enough about them to go for someone like him, because they're all cowards, especially Lawwell who's never even told us what John Park actually does, but I think we need someone, a maverick type, who the fans can really feed off. Sorry to bore you all, that first half though yesterday was the final straw, even when they had guys like Laudrup and we were on our knees I don't remember them actually making total fools off us!

18 Apr 2016 19:18:11
Atletico Madrid have spent a lot more than buttons.

Biggest myth going. Yes, in relative terms, they've done very well, especially in comparison to Real/ Barcelona, and yes they are one of the top teams in Europe, but to say they've spent buttons is ridiculous.

18 Apr 2016 19:36:51
I stopped reading when I saw athletico have spent buttons and only have 3 top players.

18 Apr 2016 19:59:04
I agree they have more than 3 top players. But over the last 3 seasons they have pulled in far more than they have spent. This season they spent something like £45 million its hardly buttons but its nothing compared to what does get spent.

18 Apr 2016 21:01:24
That was just off the top of my head, out of curiosity I just checked and under Simeone they've made a profit in transfers, but obviously improved, so I think that's pretty good - don't you Poetic Poet?

18 Apr 2016 20:55:37
Well if you read the post you'll see I meant relatively speaking. They've spent buttons compared to teams like Chelsea, M Utd, PSG etc, the same as teams like Malmo and Maribor have spent buttons compared to us, so it's you talking nonsense. I know you're pro Ronny, that's totally cool but he should be doing far better than he is, regardless of anything else! I specifically said we need a manager that can punch above his weight, and pointed out Simeone. Deila isn't even doing ok! Are you happy with that first half on Sun? If you are you're deluded or don't know the game! It was almost like a fecking training game for them!

18 Apr 2016 21:19:21
Sorry I didn't see your point there Amber about them making a profit on transfers! Well tell me the other top players instead of laughing or disagreeing. What is it with these posts when you can't even back something up! I was talking about Godin, Koke and the lad Griezmann, I also like their keeper. Anyway enlighten me! I'm not going to sit and accept that crap on Sunday - at one point they had more than 80% possession, and they finished the game with around 65%. Tell us what you make of that, tell us what you think instead of 6 words that a 5 year old could write!

18 Apr 2016 23:11:37
Who me? I wasnt disagreeing with you really was i? If anything i was backing you up!

19 Apr 2016 00:08:33
Yes I think DS has done a fantastic job. I said in my post that they've done really well, especially in relation to Barcelona/ Real. That was never a debate.

Was your second reply also directed towards me?

19 Apr 2016 00:12:22
No sorry mate, it was directed at Poetic Patient and LMPH, - I just think you should back up your argument! It's easy to just say somethings crap. The Simeone thing was just an example of a manager doing well with what he has. I don't think any Atletico players would get in the Barcelona or Real Madrid team, yet they hold their own. I know Ronny Deila isn't to blame for all the problems at the club, at the same time I think there are plenty managers who under similar circumstances could do a far better job. Plenty coaches across Europe can't go and pick all the players they want to sign. Real Sociedad and Bilbao are examples of clubs were the manager hardly has any options at all, yes relatively speaking Poet, yet a good coach can still set them up, have a plan, and have them playing to his style. That mob at the weekend were passing the ball better in their defence than we were in the whole team. And that's not a one off, our passing has been shocking for as long as I remember, it was no better under Lennon, my problem is I wasn't happy with him, so I'm not going to be happy now. Also listening to Ronny, well he promised us the world and we've been given nothing. We weren't fitter than them either. We can't blame Lawwell and Park for that!

19 Apr 2016 00:21:28
Bielsa was on €2.5m euro at Bilbao that's not too pricey at all.

19 Apr 2016 00:43:41
Back up what? You are claiming Atletico have spent buttons. That's factually wrong. They've spent almost as much as Barcelona/ Real have spent combined this season. They've did extremely well, have a brilliant manager and, all things considered, are continually punching above their weight. That's all great - and continues to be great, without the need for making stuff up.

As for your remarks about my being Pro Ronny, not only is that incorrect, it's completely indicative of this forum recently. The apparent need to bring pro/ anti Ronny into something as simple as to wether or not Atletico Madrid have spent buttons is as telling as it is unnecessary.

As for your question about Sunday, it doesn't even merit a response.

19 Apr 2016 00:55:50
Just to clarify - it wasn't directed at Amber. PP - you said it was a myth about Atletico, well it's not, technically they haven't spent buttons, they've spent nothing. Yet got to European finals, and won the best league in the world. I'm also still waiting for the other lad to tell me the other top players they have. If I was picking a squad of 22 players in Europe I wouldn't choose any of their players, yet as a team they've been brilliant. Anyway it looks like Ronny is leaving, I hope he goes back and regroups, he'll learn a lot from this experience, he's still a baby at 40 and I think further down the line he could still do really well in management. I just wish we had brought him in as a coach, with a director of football above him, someone with a real pedigree. The whole set up has been flawed, but he's far from blameless, and my problem is the team are brutal to watch. I don't want my team to be relying on set pieces. He's obviously intelligent, but nearly 2 years down the line you simply don't see any of his ideas in practise. The team look like strangers, and completely clueless. You're lucky if you see 5 passes before play breaks down. We need someone who will play with a panache, and who has experience in a top league, under real pressure. The idea of a Coyle, Lennon or Malky Mackay makes me just want to open my window and jump out.

19 Apr 2016 01:22:27
Dont need £30-£40m that's absurd. What is key is the right backroom team off the field.

19 Apr 2016 01:42:06
Well talking about bringing things up that are unnecessary - I only used the Simeone/ Atletico example because it was the first one that popped into my head when talking about us needing a manager that can punch above his weight. It was a tiny bit of the point I was making. Since you keep talking about it though - I was talking about Simeone's reign and said he'd spent buttons, we now know he's actually spent nothing. All of a sudden you're talking about this season, a season where they maybe spent a bit extra, and Barcelona because of the ban they had spent nothing, your just trying to backup your argument. Atletico also sold Martinez in Jan for more than £30 million so I really don't get what you're talking about. With regards not wanting to talk about Sunday, well Sunday's just the latest in a long line of days from hell. If I criticise Ronny I always try and be constructive and fair, for this whole season it's only sweetness and light I've heard from you! Now you're saying you're not pro Ronny, and that's the problem with people on here. What are you being all self righteous now?

19 Apr 2016 02:38:21
Okay:

You brought it (Atletico spending buttons) up first, then I commented on it. That's how this works. Whether it was the first thing that popped into your head or not doesn't dispel the need for it to be accurate - which your statement wasn't.

"It was a tiny bit of the point I was making"

Maybe so. But it was wrong. That's not to say your general point was, because there is much I agree with in it, but that was, which is why I commented on it.

I mentioned this season to highlight how ridiculous a claim that is. Which is further highlighted by you bringing up Jackson Martinez. The fact they spent over 30 million Euros on a striker -- whether they punted him 6 months later or not -- shows that they are spending considerably more than buttons.

And for the record, the three clubs (B/ AM/ RM) spent somewhere in the region of 300 million Euros, of which Atletico spent approx 45%. Barcelona didn't spend "nothing", they spent over 70 million Euros in the summer, 45 of which was on an Atletico Madrid player!

You seem to be equating what you bring in with what you spend, but that's a totally different argument. You said they were spending buttons, not that over the course they may or may not be in the black.

If I pay my rent, then get paid the following week, I still spent money. My rent was still paid. It doesn't become buttons because I brought more money into my bank.

This is further exemplified by your comparisons (of Atletico Madrid) to PSG, Chelsea, Man Utd etc. Their commercial interests, the latter two especially, and Sky money offset their transfers, of which Chelsea were already in the blank through sales, so they by your own rationale, they too could be claimed to have spent buttons- and if you subscribe to that, it null and voids your entire point anyway.

Finally, you brought RD into it with me. I wasnt commenting on that. Whatever my view of RD, it doesn't change your being wrong on Atletico's spending. And on that point, I have been steadfast in my opinion: I'm neither pro nor anti Ronny - I maintained (and still do) that the problems run considerably deeper than him. I've also said that I don't think he'll survive Sunday. If someone has demanded he is sacked (over the last 22 months) I've simply asked who do you bring in? Unless there's change above him it's an exercise in futility. InfAct, the only real time I find myself defending him is/ was against ridiculous, and quite often contradictory, statements/ attacks. I wrote A huge post reiterating this very point days ago. I've been called anti and pro Ronny simply because I don't label myself and "pick a side". I don't get the incessant need to label and/ or misrepresent on here.

19 Apr 2016 10:06:34
I think Delphic should be the new manager.

19 Apr 2016 12:23:50
Hi bhoys. First time poster here, not even sure if I'm doing it right. Can I just would you all please stfu. Everyone is right and were all hurting. We all watched that ultimate betrayal on Sunday. We all know that for the club to be at this level in 2016, is enough to hinder future fan bases. We all know this is how the long term rot can set in. But. Arguing about how much some Spanish club spent last year is beyond irrelevant. Has anyone got any actual, possible ideas on who could be our next manager, beyond what has been mentioned thus far, gentlemen. ?

19 Apr 2016 12:46:37
"Hi-First timer-Not sure if I'm doing it right-STFU-Your arguments are meaningless-Here's my question. "

Well done. Nice way to endear yourself.

19 Apr 2016 13:18:51
Is that you creeping about as usual Des, offering up your one token sentence for this month! All I had said was we need a manager who can make the most of an average, even bad situation! I mentioned Atletico spending buttons and was told it was a myth, well it's a myth that it's a myth. We know they have bought players, but not long before they bought Greizmann they sold 2 Brazilians. My point was that other teams they are outperforming don't have to sell players. Barcelona didn't have to sell anyone to buy Suarez. Most of the other big clubs in Europe are spending 4 times more on players than they are getting back from sales. With regards a new manager for us, well looking at Paddy Powers list of possibles fills me with complete dread. It's almost as though they can read Lawwell's mind. A child couldn't come up with a list anymore primitive, in saying that, Des probably could, although it would have to be a shorter list because he usually breaks down after a few words! I don't remember there being so many good managers out a job any other time we've made a change so if we go for a Coyle, Lennon or Mackay then I'm done. We've got 3 season books in the house, and I'm not spending a bean until I know what the score is. Everyone I've spoke to recently is of the same mind. For the first time in our history we have to spend what it takes to get a top manager. It's simple economics, the money we're losing with fans staying away, being generally disgusted, then also not qualifying for Europe is far far more than any manager in the world would cost.

19 Apr 2016 14:37:44
Back to the 40 million point.
How many players that going to buy us to compete in Europe when teams like real Madrid are spend 80-90 million on one player?

19 Apr 2016 15:31:06
Yeah I agree - you could spend £400 million and be in a worse position at the end of it. The idea of going for someone who was good at bringing through kids, had progressive ideas, could work within a small budget was totally fine, the problem was we went for someone who had only done it for a few years and at a tiny club in Norway. He didn't even have any playing experience outside the league. If we had went for someone who had done the same thing with an Ajax or PSV, or even a smaller club in the French League or wherever it would probably have went a lot better. Going from Stromgodset to Celtic was another world in every single way! Even bringing through kids in a place where there isn't much to do expect skiing/ other sports, is not remotely close to bringing through kids in a city like Glasgow with a different culture. Marcus Weinzeirl is an example of a progressive young coach, very highly rated in the Bundesliga, he's only 40ish but has done it under real pressure. He's supposedly looking for a new challenge. Yakin and Seedorf are around 40 as well, but they have experience, and are worldly wise. Regardless of whether we do something like that, or go for an older head I just pray to God that for once we show a bit of imagination and get the best person humanly possible.

19 Apr 2016 20:02:38
Sorry Delphic but mourinho had no playing experience Wht so ever but the rest of your post is good.

19 Apr 2016 21:39:18
No I know that mate, and my fav manager Arrigo Sacchi was the same. The Lad Weinzeirl I mentioned from the Bundesliga didn't really have much of a playing career either. I just think ideally you have a bit more experience as a manager before you are given a job like Celtic. Sacchi had experience working in Seria A, and Mourinho worked under Robson then Van Gaal. It's not an exact science, I just feel there was no pressure working in Norway. I actually can't think of one Scandinavian manager who has went abroad and been a huge success! It's easy with the benefit of hindsight, but the Norwegian league was part time when we signed Brattbakk. For me it's not a great starting point to be looking for a manager!







 

 

 
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