Celtic Rumours Archive April 05 2012

05 Apr 2012 23:36:01
Since Rangers went in to adminastration, in a period of 6 weeks Rangers have taken in £1,020,234 in revenue, but have spent £3,617,165 and that's not taking in to account the fumbling about Duff and Phelps have been doing to the tune of £1,199,356.

Also inland revenue have a rule in agreeing CVA's. They will not agree a CVA with any business where they deem that there has been an evasion of statutory liability, i.e. tax evasion. HMRC class EBT's as an evasion of tax liability, so that means HMRC have a stated policy that will lead them to reject any CVA, so it looks like curtains for Rangers.

Turn the the lights out on your way out Ally!

Source BBC2 news

That is the way it is i am a city shares dealer all very true

05 Apr 2012 22:48:02
Spain - world champions , Spain - European champions , Champions league last four - two Spanish teams , Europa league last four - three Spanish teams . Do you think now the English media will put to bed that the EPL is the best league in the world.........DH

Well said. But maybee it's Jackson and Traynor moonlighting.

Totally agree Man Utd were totally played of the park over 2 legs and Barca will destroy Chelsea although I have a wee sneaky feeling that Bayern can overcome Jose cheats and actors

Agree, but the english will always claim they are the best. they still claim they are the best team in the world cause they won the world cup in 66.

Scottish football in general should be studying the spanish methods. i think scottish footballers could adapt pretty naturally to their short passing style. it may sound stupid but the epl is a bit of a joke. their fans talk more about money etc than they do about the sport. foreign players know they only need one lucrative contract and their made. i used to watch man utd when sexton and atkinson were in charge. it was boring a lot of the time cos most visiting teams came for a point. now a lot of these teams have more money than they ever imagined, but no more fans, they might be a bit more adventurous but not much.

Hope Bayern Munich win it , they were robbed by Man United a few years ago

05 Apr 2012 22:07:02
Were can I find the list of there creditors? I fancy a giggle

Gemmell1967 {Ed007's Note - See above mate.}

05 Apr 2012 21:56:12
Just read the Duff and Phelps report. Check out Appendix 3, Rangers owe everybody and there dug money.

www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles/fe/a8/0,,5~174334,00.pdf

My dug's already agreed to entering a cva - he'll accept 2 Bonios a year for the next seven years or 1 Bonio if no European qualification

05 Apr 2012 21:19:18
Can we keep this post for posterity, i am making this prediction (did it on the Rangers page first)
Here is a prediction and a question.
I predict that a CVA is agreed, an injection of cash into Rangers 1872, then Whyte refuses to sell his shares and the administrators are forced to sell the trade and assets out to Rangers 2012 Ltd. This will be sold in the press as all Whytes fault and a necessary step to eliminate his presence. The question is, will you then support that club, Rangers 2012, formed because Whyte wouldnt walk away? I think that would be an easy sell to the fans with headlines screaming from the DR.
Nevis

Whyte would have to sell his shares first for a new party to come into the club and inject cash into it.

No-one will put money into the club unless they have purchased Whyte's shares first.

Nope, not true Admin can agree CVA in old co, potential buyers can inject money to fund CVA and Admin can agree sale of trade and assets out of old co into new co and shares in new co can be sold to anyone or issued, craig whyte is left with a shell of a company with creditors paid off via the aforementioned CVA, its in the admin report and is frighteningly easy.
Nevis

05 Apr 2012 19:39:08
Ok im probably taking over the site the last hour or so lol. But have just sent the following to our friend Murdo Fraser -

Good Evening Sir.

You have probably been inundated with emails over the course of today after a letter has been made available supposedly written by yourself sent to Duff and Phelps the current Rangers Administrators.

Now I have a few questions about this letter. Which i believe if you are in reality a Rangers supporter in your private life i feel is actually a very good plea of sorts to the Administrators making a decent case to try and ensure a CVA.

Firstly I would like you to confirm if it is indeed a genuine letter or not?.

Secondly, I would like to know If it is genuine why has a letter stating personal opinion been sent using Scottish Parliament Footed paper?. In my opinion this is wholly inappropriate should this letter be genuine. For example, I currently work for the Care Inspectorate (SCSWIS), If i were to use Headed or Footed ******* paper to send a letter containing personal opinion and conjecture and associate these opinions whether salient or not with this organisation I would be dismissed from my post.

There are 2 things that Politics should be kept out of in my opinion one is sport and the other is Religion, and the same can be said for keeping religion out of sport but this is another issue entirely. So I ask If this is a letter penned (or typed) by your hand then why were you naive enough to do so whilst attaching some form of political clout to your letter? In your work life you are an MSP in your private life you are just another person no different from myself why have you (and again this is depending on whether this letter is genuine) made such an apparent abuse of power in sending this letter in your capacity as an MSP rather as a concerned supporter of a football club using your own equipment. This would not have irked myself and many others if this was the case, but your actions have in a round about way politicised the matter and this is sir is wholly inappropriate and abuse of the position you were given by the rest of the public.

If this is your letter then i feel you are in a position of very high regard and great importance and should always seek to act beyond reproach but this letter does not indicate a man in your position acting in this manner.

I would appreciate a response to this email. I feel i have not directly accused you of this being the case I have tried to make this point on the basis of IF it was yourself who wrote this letter. If it is a ruse then i hope the people who have tried to sully your name are suitably punished. But If it is a letter penned by yourself I sincerely hope you know what the correct action is to take.

I have attached a copy of said letter to this email.

Kind Regards

***** ********



Evinguu {Ed007's Note - And lo and behold........he is on holiday ;-)

Not sure if you were wise to identify where you work.

Haha aye ed he is.. oops i left my real name there didnt I? lol.

Cheers for keeping the Evinguu Identity a secret lol

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - No worries mate ;-)

Well i dont mind bud. I have used it as an example, and used my real name, so itts no big deal to me. I have not used their email system or their letters, there is nothing wrong with using it as an example IMO. You could be right, but my boss wouldnt give a sh*t anyways lol Cheers for the concern tho bud!

Evinguu

I, most likely the same as others, have also mailed MR Frase and raised the same issue with him, alas he he is on holiday at the moment.

05 Apr 2012 19:11:04
Gutted going to be missing the party at Rugby Park this weekend but going to be in central London with the hoops on ! Any suggestions where to watch the game central would be appreciated ! Hail Hail , mikeybhoy

Cant remember the name but there is a very reasonably priced pub by london standards on tottenham court road couple of hundred yards down from from warren st station on the left hand side of the street ,watched a few games including celtic in it, if i remember the name ill post it later

The pub on totenham court road is called the mortimer arms ,, deep river bhoy

Get the tube upto Co. Kilburn, doesn't take long and the area will be jumping.

Agree with previous post, get yourself up to Kilburn or even down to Wimbledon. If you have to stay central, try O'Neills. Get the tube to Leicester Square, turn left when exiting station, through China Town and it is facing you, across from Kowloon Cake Shop. Two minute walk from tube, unless you're in high heels!!

Best option is www.celticbars.co.uk, plenty of Celtic minded bars and clubs and this will give you somewhere more local to whereever you are in London.

RPW

Head up to the kingdom pub 229 kilburn high road london, spirit of 67 csc, good craic, friendly bunch of bhoys & ghirls, hail hail

05 Apr 2012 18:48:28
Well we all knew Wattie was a liar, and now it has been proven. He claimed that Rapid Vienna had been paid in full for Jelavic and now we know that is a lie.

How do you know its a lie maybe Rangers owe Rapid money due to a sell on fee the original purchase price may have been paid maybe Wattie was told it was paid maybe wattie is a liar no one knows sorry you nice but Dhims know everthing {Ed007's Note - Smith said there was no money owed, there was, that's a lie in anybody's book. Maybe if you look in the mirror you will see a better definition of dim.}

The great SIR WATTIE telling porkies. Now theres a surprise. He has dropped gullible wee Ally right in it.

I think he actually meant that the payments are not in arrears, but did try to suggest that there was nothing out standing

He didn't try to suggest there was nothing outstanding, he was crystal clear in saying that the purchase price had been paid in full and nothing further was owed.

Did Walter specifically pay this no he didn't so all that had to be done was to tell him it was paid n he would like any fan of any of there own team would believe its been paid so you don't know if he was telling lies or not

05 Apr 2012 17:58:30
any one know what will happen with the tickets rangers will get for the
game on 29th april. can they afford to pay upfront. do we trust them to
hand the money over with the recent goings on. i reckon we are talking
about a figure around 350k.

I suspect we wont see this money any time soon!

Will rangers even be in a position to fulfill this fixture? in the first place?

Im really smelling the end myself! theres too much coming out now. I could however be wrong!

Evinguu

Gie them nae tickets, Celtic fans will crowd out Paradise. We dont need them or their dodgy dealings.

05 Apr 2012 17:02:14
So the ibrox mob owe us over 40 grand. Geeze it back please. See
wee McCall got off. Wonder how Neil will get on. CM

Aye and the owe a company called "shred it" about 500 quid,wonder what they have been shredding!hmmmmmmm

Yes we have 40 grand to get with them they are in it up to 134 million so will they pay all that back

05 Apr 2012 15:24:10
Well done to Celtics u/15 side on winning the nike cup v chelsea. outstanding...........green jhedi

05 Apr 2012 13:30:06
Ed dunno if my last post got through so will try again. Wondering if you or any of teh guys have seen this letter i have come accross from an ... ahem 'source' lol

Its in PDF how would i go about sending it to you?

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - I have read it mate. I have found an online copy of it as well:

www.rangerssupporterstrust.co.uk/RangersFC_030412.pdf

Haha i see my posts did come through then. Its weird I Didnt get the Thank you page on the one further down but did for this one. Bloody works Internet access is weird! Maybe its cos i should be working lol

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - Sometimes pages can take a while to update, skive away :-)

ED007, Evinguu are we surprised at this sort of letter, I suspect there has been more we do not know about, but as you both say an MSP writing on headed paper yet on a "private" matter to D & D, and
telling them which bid to accept, bit I liked was his "liquidation would jeopardise an institution known throughout the world" this Tim knows the big hoose is in trouble but never knew Bar L was so wide known throughout the world ha ha but it shows "ra peepil" are getting worried. Timalloy {Ed007's Note - Something is rotten in the state of Denmark Tim.}

Evinguu forgot to say hello and well done
for spotting this. Oh well we have "Let the people sing" now the bears have "let the MSP's write"...Timalloy

Amazing how it's written in a personal capacity, yet it's on an official Scottish Parliament letterhead.

Cant remember any politicians in any great rush to help us pre wee fergus ( some form of recognition overdue for the wee man rename the north stand i think )
Again we hear a great institution but as usual for a sycophant politician he fails to recognise a great institution with a proud history of discrimination and should use his resources to serve the people that elected him and pay his wages not to plea for lost causes

Haha timalloy (and Hello to you too) I cannot take credit for spotting it, that was someone else. Just wanted to use the word source on this page for once lol

Another thing that gets me, is surley parliamentary headed or footed paper would have a coat of arms or similar in the top corner aswell?

Also the copy i got isnt signed (havnt looked at Eds link) And it looks like it has been scanned when you look at the quality of the picture. So how would someone get a copy of an unsigned and probably as of the moment it was scanned unsent letter? A copy like this would have to have come from Murdo Fraser himself or from his PA/Secretary/Mistress (whatever MSP's call their aides these days) and that would be about it surley?

Theres to many unknowns about this particular letter. Like ive said if it is his real words and thoughts i think it is a fair enough point for a Rangers supporter to make. If its real his mistake is it should not be done in his ministerial capacity using the letterhead and as has been said is pretty serious misconduct. If i were to use Care Inspectorate headed paper to send a personal letter along these lines i would be sacked. Theres too many Ifs and buts about it which still makes me feel its most likley a fake. A very well done fake to cause an element of doubt though. But like i alluded too if it was a fake it would have been much more damming, like mentioning a PMQ session or saying he could try and coerce HMRC etc. Unless its someone of reasonable intelligence who has thought through a lot of pro/s and cons of the wording. So still doubt and like Ed says best to just ask the guy! I think i talked myself round from its real to its fake to its real again in that paragraph lol

Although how would us Bhoys react if he denied all knowledge of it? It would probably increase our scepticism lol

Evinguu

Wonder if he used parlimentary postage for this letter?????
If so he has broken the rules

What if we put up a Celtic fan in every constituancy and let them run against the SNP.See how they feel if football got involved in politics.

Jungle Bhoy.

05 Apr 2012 12:37:12
Afternoon Ed. Have you seen the apparent letter from Murdo Fraser to D&P ?? I cant tell if its fake or not. Im leaning towards fake but cannot be sure.

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - I have seen it Evinguu, like you I am not sure if it is genuine or not. There is only one way to find out, ask him.}

Yeah i was thinking about doing that maybe when im home.

If it is real i think he has made a decent argument for a CVA to be fair, however it is a gross misuse of power if of course it is real. What got me thinking it was real is that if it was fake it would be a lot more incriminating than that cos if it isnt real them someone really has too much time on their hands. And i said leaning towards fake as surley an MSP wouldnt be so stupid to use Parliament footers on what is stated as a private opinion.

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - UEFA have been contacted regarding the matter.}

Why should we be surprised by anything R#####s and their vile ilk ever do. Once again they have been proven to be Scotland's shame and will continue to be until they are removed completely from our society. Times have moved on and this hate-filled organisation have no place in a modern world. Their morals have been shown to belong to the lowest form of life and their arrogant demeanour has proven to be their eventual downfall. All I can say is that I am glad to have witnessed the long, drawn out and painful death of this despised club. They won't be missed and Scotland will be a better place without them polluting our lives. They have ripped off the man in the street, including their own fans, by not paying taxes, they have ripped off other clubs, police and ambulance services. LET THEM DIE......