Celtic Rumours Archive January 02 2013

 

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02 Jan 2013 22:53:46
Hearing gershon loan deal nearly finalised welcomed break get sum key players back going for four trophys has taken its toll but it safe to say am a very happy tim lenny has turned us rite around from the Mowbray era bring on the old slag of Turin hail hail. Joe bhoy

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02 Jan 2013 22:40:29
How many players do you think we will see signed this month Ed? I think we could do with a LB, a physical striker and especially a creative midfielder. Cant see us signing anymore than the left back coming in tho that lenny has mentioned unless players are to leave!

Celticthomas {Ed007's Note - There has been an inquiry made for Graham Dorrans. WBA have agreed to let him move 'closer to Glasgow' although I can't see CFC agreeing to the kind of fee being bandied about.}

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IMO - nothing will happen until the last few days, I really hope we have a plan B though if a deal for hooper/wanyama come in.more so with ba going to Chelsea I would think Newcastle would want a sniff at hooper.

A good jan more me would be keep our starting 11 and even add a loan signing

Lenny

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ED; Is Dorrans not a big fan of The rangers? Not that that would matter of course but i remember talk of him tweeting with other fans during the "crisis" months. Would he get peace to live?...........green jhedi {Ed007's Note - I'm not 100% convinced GJ but it came from someone down south who knows what is going on around the Midlands areas clubs.}

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Funny, i mentioned him in a pub discussion about potential creative midfield position earlier tonight, we could always offer the lure that in a 3 yr contract he might never have to play against his beloved ! good player ! andybhoy

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He is most certainly one of the SFL3 mob, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Celtic Park.

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Why would we want him ? Commons is a better option than Dorrans

Gary

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02 Jan 2013 18:15:49
What an inept display from another dodgy ref.I thought Charlie's booking, for his first tackle, was very harsh as he seemed to get a toe to the ball.The Forster booking was nothing short of a disgrace.From where i sit it looked like Murphy knew he had lost the ball, Wilson put a leg in but never touched him, and Murphy swallow dived to gain the penalty.I may be proved wrong by TV.
On the booking, why, if a player is pointing out the ball is not on the spot, would you not even look at it before booking him? Why would you not see the placing of the ball when you are ready to blow your whistle? This stinks to high heaven of cheating, what other reason could there be.If a ref cannot see the ball placed incorrectly, should he be a ref? Nice to see Commons back and looking up for it, his work for the goal was outstanding, and Hooper done great for his goal.I also thought big Kelvin was very good and Forster is our go to guy. Good win but the ref thing leaves a bitter taste, imagine us being paranoid after all these years..............green jhedi

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It was a dive GJ, I was sitting right behind the goals 5 rows back and you knew it was coming before murphy decided to go over!! Forsters booking was shocking, izzaguire was inside the box 6 yards from the ball tellin the ref the ball wasn't on the spot properly which then got big lurch involved, all he done was step off his line. A joke which made the win all that sweeter.... Cracking save from the penalty aswell.

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GJ as always spot on! Don't understand the referee when ghod only knows how many thousand people could see the ball was off the spot how could the referee not? And when it's pointed out to him how can he not turn round and see. On the other hand a good 3 points and a good way to begin 2013... MrCheshington

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You could see on the re-play that the ref wasn't even looking at the incident for the penalty, the Mulgrew booking was a shocking decision made worse with the lack of bookings for similar offences soon after.
Good 3 points against a very impressive Motherwell.

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My god do you think Celtic are the only team to get bad decisions ? The whole world or even the wee scottish officials are not against Celtic. Give it a rest.

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To the clown above no we don't think everyone is against us unlike sevco fans. The fans are pointing out that it was that obvious it was a dive and the ball was not on the spot, and if the ref could not see both things he should not be in the job. maccabhoy

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Youv got a check there's a witch hunt against our club everyone hates us your club is was rotten to the core that's why yous got liquadated refs have clearly got it in for Lennon

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Scottish officials are the worst in world football. Most of their crap decisions are against Celtic.
There would be trouble in England if they had our hapless officials. Or are they hapless? Kenny Shiels has Dallas on a laptop proving he's a liar.

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02 Jan 2013 17:30:17
Got a wee video for you's, firstly murphy is a diving rat and secondly the ref is a disgrace thankfully big Forster stands up again n pulls off a cracking save, but could have been very different result today because of a ref.

Poor ref and poor diving no need for it

www.youtube.com/embed/Zmfj1rOuiAA

Cumby Bhoy

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I agree but what about the motherwell man lifting the ball up after the ball was played on the writing was on the wall the same player fouled five times without getting carded where was the linesman on murphy second dive why wasnt his flag raised everybody seen it except the refs how long is going to keep happening

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How can the ref justify letting a penalty be taken with the ball clearly not on the spot? The dive by the Motherwell player is good enough for the Olympics. The ref is clearly making wrong decisions to help Motherwell win the game. This ref is a disgrace and should be demoted but that won't happen. I better leave my rant at that or I will say something that might not get posted.

Well done big Fraser for the world class save.

Hail Hail

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When I first saw this yesterday, I thought Wilson had made a bit of contact. When you replay it and pause it, its bloody comical. Then the nonsense with booking Forster? Hilarious when he saved it, we deserved the win and the break fro Hoopers goal was lovely work with a typical great finish, Daviebhoy

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02 Jan 2013 14:32:27
Ed....you have raved about Ibrahim in the past. I think you had said he was potentially a bit brilliant and ust needed to become a bit more physical before becoming a first team regular. What do you make of his permanent free transfer to Killie? I have to say I'm a bit disappointed myself, but is there more to it than appears on the surface?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy {Ed007's Note - The only thing I can think of is it has to do with game time, it was the reason he left PSV as well. It is a strange one as I know he was highly rated by the coaches.}

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I posted a few months ago that after a chat with a celtic coach he told me that Ibrahim didnt have it and wasn't good enough for 1st team I remember all the disagrees looks like he was right. We all seemed to be of the opinion that he was what we needed all based on reputation. We must have faith in our coaches and management the've ben right up till now.
hail hail welshbhoy

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The boy has only played 4 games with 4 different teams in his career ( maybe the hype of being voted in a top 50 poll as a 14 year old has overtaken his true talent) but good luck to him anyway, , , deep river bhoy

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02 Jan 2013 21:02:03
I'd like to think we have a wee buy-back fee in there covering the next 18 months!

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A buy back fee?? Why would we want to buy him back when we have let him go for free?

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03 Jan 2013 20:42:43
For the same reason that Liverpool are buying back Tom Ince 12 months after letting him go for peanuts!

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02 Jan 2013 17:00:51
Hi Ed, Happy New Year to you and yours and to all the visitors to this forum.

I am very pleased with the victory today.
I will be very interested to see the Ref Watch score for the game today.
I think he had an absolute shocker, when he watches the game back and observes has performance, he should hand in his badge.
What incompetence.

Fraser Forster take a bow, justice was done today, very hard working performance.

Again Happy 2013 to all the Hoops

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Ridiculous penalty award - the referee must have been the only one in the ground who didn't see it as a blatant dive. The same player dived a few minutes later trying to win another penalty but got a corner instead (rather than a booking). I don't expect there'll be any retrospective action taken....

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02 Jan 2013 11:30:09
Good morning all. Been reading the posts regarding Big Vic's rumoured £12M bid.
As much as I will be gutted when he leaves - since day one, I have thought that he would make us more money than Mcgeady. He has the natural attributes and talent to go all the way in club football - right to the very top.
Reading some valuations, some fans seem to believe we can demand (and get) £20M. It is all about timing and circumstance when it comes to selling a player, and this is why the club are desperate for him to sign a longer deal - to give us time to sell when its right for the club - to maximise his value. Unfortunately, the reality of the SPL's ranking as a league will always deflate any fee.
Regardless, my main point (and I'm hoping Ed007 will be able to provide the correct info) is the potential for NOT playing in the Champions League NEXT season. I'm sure the co-efficient is gubbed to the extent we are not seeded in the 'Champs' route like this year - and will face the nightmare scenario of another Arsenal or similar (top seed) should we get past the first qualifier.
I hate to put a dampener on the New Year already, but this may ultimately affect who leaves, when they leave and for how big a fee.
We made £20M+ from the CL this year - after 4 years of not being in the competition. We only made £2M from the Europa League last season. Neil Lennon has publicly stated that non-football jobs behind the scenes have been saved by the CL money made this year. Perhaps some fans do not fully comprehend the amount of money it takes to run a club the size of ours - with practically no money from TV.
£12M for Wanyama to leave in the summer would be a good deal IMO (he would be cup-tied for Arsenal in Europe).....................kbt1978

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Even though we will have to play extra qualifiers next year I am sure we will still be in the Champions side of the draw and will not play anybody who has finished 2nd or below. So we will miss quite a few of the big named teams.

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Excellent post mate.The easy thing is to let our hearts rule our heads regarding Celtic.I found the job cuts statement from Lenny very worrying, although we do seem to have an enormous amount of people at Lennoxtown wearing Celtic gear, and maybe we will have to downsize.As you say CL football is far from guaranteed next year and our running costs are high.Add to this players wanting more money to sign new deals and things will have to be handled carefully.If players need to go, they need to go it's that simple........green jhedi

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Kbt1978.... Celtic will still be in the seeded section for the champions league 2013-14 draw. Scotlands co efficient has decreased as you say but the only difference is that we play an extra qualifier. Celtic will enter the draw at the 2nd qualifying round and play 3 unseeded teams before the group stage. Our ranking has went down due to rangers being liquidated but we are still in the champions section so we WILL avoid a big European name in the qualifiers.
So by this, there is much a chance of us keeping star names ie wanyama and offering them the chance of possibe cl group stage nxt season again.

Markmck

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Barcelona have asked to be kept informed of any bids for victor. 12million can open the bidding for me.

Flip side of the huge profit increase is that we are barely 1.5million out on vic so far. He's still contracted for a while yet so if no bids meet the valuation then we keep hold of him, improve him further then we will get our desired price.

As for the champs league money safeguarding non playing staff jobs at lennoxtown- I do not believe that for a minute and here is why.

We shed almost 90k per week from our playing staff costs in the summer which would surely absorb any overspending staff wise at the training ground. We also have managed to find 2k per week wages for the sports scientist, this is a luxury for a football club to have not an necessity though I do accept the benefits to the players of having someone in this capacity.

If there are jobs taken away at lennoxtown it will not be because of overspending more likely to be as a result of over staffing. Call me a cynic but I think we all know we can be a bit too frugal at times and with what happened to our former rivals the club can hide behind the harem scarem of financial problems which would minimise the chance of a backlash from fans, media etc.

Too many of us in too many ways are far too ready to believe what is said or put down in print too much of the time.

There would have to be a massive financial oversight by our board, not at all likely IMO, for people getting 200-400 per week to be in danger of losing their jobs.

Propaganda- pure and simple for my money.

Jamie mac(questions everything, is it paranoia?)

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You probably are a cynic Jamie Mac, but the implication I took from Neil Lennons statement - which never mentioned Lennoxtown directly - was club positions generally were under threat (including matchday staff). Cutbacks.
You are obviously more clued up than myself on club finances - but tell me this - how can a Public Limited Company hide or bend the financial truths? The books are available to the public by law. Do you honestly believe you are being misled by the board? Revenues were consistently dropping. Are there not empty seats at games? Is there not a recession on in your life Jamie? There is certainly one still ongoing in the whole of the western world.
I, for one am happy with the financial management of my club. Unlike Sevco fans, past and present..................kbt1978

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My point was that we have people in place who do control the finances very well mate and, yes, I feel the truth could easily have been bent by the board.

The other thing I know, too, is that there has been no significant drop in the dividend I receive each year as a result of my shareholding.

Interesting, when you think past the jobs saved statement eh?

Crowds have been down, yes, but the season ticket sales have remained high considering the economic crisis.

Again, the people running the club are the experts, I can't see where they would be caught out on monies out per week.

Like you say anyone can get our financial reports, I get one each year, and it is hard for numbers to lie hence the dividend reference.

Jamie mac( it was a rhetoric- am I paranoid)

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Another thing kbt- I take it you have read the financial reports you talk about?

I hope so or you've proven my point about too many people believing what they're told at face value. Your dig about sevco fans can apply to you also- they believed everything they were told.

I don't care for the sarcasm in your post either, I'm not stupid and don't need treated like I am. Of course I know about the recession but we keep hearing that we are where we want to be in financial terms and that out business plan did not and hasn't relied on rangers.

Lawwell says we're on a decent financial footing- Lennon hints otherwise. This means someone is bending the truth, this is fact.

My reply was littered with I think and in my opinion so I never claimed to KNOW anything, as stated its what I think.

Just because I disagreed with your post you come back with an arrogant, sarcastic reply which suggests to me that you are the one who thinks they know it all.

As for comparing me to a zombie, well that, to me, again highlights the fact you appear not to like anyone contradicting you or you will patronise them. Well that doesn't work with me mate. If you're interested in a proper balanced debate without resorting to sarcasm or slander then I'm your man, if not then I won't waste my time. In fact why should you if you are always correct? Pig headed arrogance is more akin to the zombies than asking questions!

Jamie mac( not letting a sponge compare me to a zombie)

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Where do I start Jamie Mac?
Firstly, I have read the financial reports from Sept 2012. A 7.2M loss from a 100, 000 profit the year before. Overall debt up to 3M. Turnover down slightly to around 50M.
The 'dig' about Sevco fans you refer to: my point was about their demise and current status - NOT a comparison with Celtic fans or YOU. Sevco should always be a warning for reckless financial planning. Read it again please.
You have then went on what can only be described as a quite uncalled for, personal attack on myself. I used the term 'cynic' in my post as you have used the term 'paranoid' to describe yourself in your own post.
I said you must know more about the finances as you were quoting amounts saved from wage bills etc. You have then implied twice that you do not trust the financial figures or reporting from our club. In your second post you say you are a shareholder: therefore you will be privy to more info than myself. Where do I imply that I know it all pal? There was no need to reply to your last post - you informed me of something I never knew about dividends.
Also, at NO time did I compare you to a Zombie - But YOU now try to openly compare me to a Zombie? Low blow pal. Egg on your chin with that one I think.
My point about the recession was made for all fans that think we are now 'loaded' after 1 Champions League campaign, to think for a second: "How has the recession affected me? - how does it affect everyone that funds my club?". It was never intended to be personal.
Lastly you mention slander. Where the F@~k have I slandered YOU? By me saying you are cynical? You have shown in 2 posts you do not believe or trust the financial statements Celtic put out. That makes you cynical. You say I am arrogant, perhaps a tone can be read back now in my post, but that is not the case. However, your last post is slightly worrying in its personal attack and apparent anger - especially when the posts in question are directly above. I can only think you are holding onto a grudge from a previous exchange or post. Either that or you've come back pissed and wrote it.
Completely uncalled for Jamie Mac and not what I would expect from a fellow Hoops fan. Ps I am no F@*~ing sponge..............kbt1978

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Apologies if I picked you up wrongly kbt but surely you can see from the last line of your post relating to sevco fans where I could think you were painting me like a sevco fan? If that's not gonna anger a celtic fan then I don't know what is.

I can assure you that I bare no grudge towards you for any reason whatsoever. The slander part came from the sevco thing not anywhere else- I've had my full life to realise I am cynical mate.

The part where you ask if there is a recession in my world is where I got the patronising part from and usually when someone says" you know more" it actually means the opposite. Sorry for jumping the gun but my reaction is understandable even if it now seems wrong.

Putting all of this together makes my response a bit more understandable?

On another note bud- there are plenty of figures which can be left off the "balance sheets" by companies either to make affairs seem better or worse depending on which agenda is prevalent at the time. For example the 2012 accounts you referred to did not take into account the monies in from the ki sale.

Again apologies if I've picked you up wrongly and offended you but until I'm sure that'll always be my reaction- to defend myself- much the same as you have done.

I'm still not entirely convinced you weren't having a go btw, must be the cynic or paranoia in me. That's a joke.

It's hard to gauge tone through text kbt- ill know not to doubt you in future but like I said I was defending myself. P.s I never actually called you a zombie- look at the wording, I'm always careful of that.

Anyway that's enough much ado about nothing for me anyway.

Peace

Jamie mac

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As Tony Mowbray would say "We take it on the chin and move on"! lol...............kbt1978

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02 Jan 2013 11:26:33
Today marks the anniversary of the Ibrox disaster & 66 fans including Richard Bark who I'm named after didn't return home from watching just a game of football.

RIP X

Richybhoy

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Today marks the the anniversary of the ibrox disaster it is today that should make us all realise that although we all have our arguments on here that it is only a game of football at the end of the day and i would like to thank the celtic supporters who put this aside for the day to remember the victims of the disaster. as when any sad occasion occurs you will get some idiots who will laugh at what happened there is no place in society for these idiots. ed if you post this then thank you for doing so. and happy new year to you.


jamesyboy {Ed007's Note - Happy New Year James. I totally agree with you as well. The only advice I can give is to ignore the buttons on posts like this (I ignore them all the time anyway). It is either CFC fans trying to be smart arses or The Rangers fans trying to make CFC fans look bad, either way they are just pathetic.}

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02 Jan 2013 01:43:30
A player is only worth what another club is willing to pay for him. Arsenal bid £12million for Vic, we reject it, 2 weeks later he breaks his leg and is never the same player again. Bought him for £900k and 18 months later we are offered £12million for him, and you expect us to reject it? Use your head

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At what point does Celtic become a club that pays 12m for a player? It all starts with a visionary CEO and board. Step changing an attitude and looking at making last 16 and beyond every year.

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And what about the other side, he helps take us further in cl shutting down pirlo, and grows more and becomes even better next year? Then that 12 mill will have to be 20mill, he is a tank and him getting hurt dosent seem like it will happen. First year and he has dominated some of the very best in the game, 12mill offer and 4 years left on contract now use your head and think how would you feel if you took 12mill for a player that looks and is 25mill plus and bosses the game. We have to get our valuation in order to grow as a club and for this stratagy to work and become better.

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Where is this 12 million rumour came from its doing its round thats for sure

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Couldn't agree more. Izzy was the subject of speculation suggesting an 8 to 10m move to Man U was imminent. He hasn't been the same player since the leg break but hopefully in time. Unfortunately PL has to weigh up the risks. With a heavy heart i would accept Celtic taking an offer like that for vic.

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Ghuys, Get in the REAL world. We are in the SPL, 12m??????? I'd bite yer hand off for that! As someone said, he is only worth what is actually on the table! If it's offered, take it!

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I think the mindset of spl is changing a bit(at least with Celtic at this point) just cause Forster and likely hooper are going to be in England squad. The player makes his value and the club decides what's good, I don't think ppl would pass on Vic for he is going to be a huge popular player in years to come with the right club.
As everyone says Celtic have found a gem and we must get epl type money for it for a player like big Vic dosent come around that often. Everyone sees his talent and potential, for I think he is going to be one of the best every, and it is only a matter of time till a club pays up cause no club would pass on him just for a high price tag.

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On balance 12 million is a huge amount of money. IMHO the football world has gone stark raving mad. These Monopoly money figures are ruining the game and ruining many young men involved in the game. We could build a new stand with that kind of money! I don't really care about going further in the CL, sure it would be amazing but the price we would pay ultimately is losing half the team to predatory clubs an unsettled dressing room and possibly losing our management team into the bargain. In a perfect world I would be happy to have a competitive league with top class Scottish players and 4 or 5 teams competing for the top prize. Football is a busted flush. Bah Humbug. Happy 2013. SopotCelt

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We are in the last 16 of the CL ffs, in with the big boys again where we belong. We need to start acting like one of them and not take the first offer on the table for one of our players. Tell Arsenal or whoever else to take a hike at 12m and see what happens, my bet is they'll come back with 15m. Time to take a stand Bhoys otherwise we will always be regarded as a small fish. Also I'd be pushing hard for some form of Euro league whilst we are free from the paycheck loan FC hooligans.

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Not a cahance will 12m be accepted. If you valued your house at 250k and someone came along and offered you 120k for it, would you sell? No? Didnt think so

Mikey Bhoy

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People need to rid themselves of this idea that we can shortchange ourselves because of the perceived spl stigma, if any epl clubs want any of our players then they think they are good enough for the epl so cherge them epl prices , we dont need to sell anybody nevermind on the cheap , if the boy wanyama does want to leave then i hope nl sticks to his statement that the price starts at 25 million, , , , , deep river bhoy

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Sorry sopotcelt but if you dont care about going further in the CL then think its maybe time to find a new hobby

Mikey Bhoy

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Its not the SPL, its europe they look at, if he shuts out pirlo 15 mill could be offered.Dont forget the epl is awash with money, 15 mill to them is 2 mill to us, fletcher 14 mill.sturridge 12 mill?andy whatisname 35mill.millner, etc, they have money to burn, so let the hoops dictate when and how much.

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There is too much garbage that we are"just" in the EPL... DOES THAT GIVE THE eNGLISH BILLIONAIRES CARTE BLANCHE TO COME UP HERE AND LIFT OUR GREAT TALENT FOR A SONG. SOME OF THE CRAP TRANSFERED FOR FORTUNES IN ENGLAND WOULD NOT GET A GAME IN SCOTLAND... EXAMPLE CARROLL TO LIVERPOOL 35, OOO, OOO.. IS HE WORTH 6 TIMES MORE THAN HOOPER... NO FKN WAY.....

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Read the whole post mikey bhoy then make a judgement. I don't really care for backhanded snide remarks directed at me what with me being such a fine fellow, however if you want to have a grown up debate I am always here for you. SopotCelt

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People seem to forget that the player and his agent will have a say. The agent will want to get him moved, simple as. He will not be interested in getting a good deal for us, only for his client and himself. If we knock back a very fair bid of 12M ish then there will be trouble, you can count on it.

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Backhanded, snide remarks? What part of my post was backhanded or snyde? I addressed you personally, made my point and signed the post. You don't care if we progress in Europe then what's the point in supposedly supporting us

Mikey Bhoy

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Read the post mate. The remark is qualified. What you have done in a snide backhanded way is to take something out of context and then give advice. Not an opinion, but advice. I don't need advice from you or anyone else on how to spend my time. If I need advice I generally have to see a solicitor.
You then in your second post talk about supposedly supporting us. I take it to mean that you don't really care for my type of support. Please enlighten me as to the type of support you deem satisfactory and also who is the us? Is that exclusively a your us, or am I included.? FYI I was at my first home game in 1974 and my first away game in 1975. I hope that means I am worthy to support CFC. Supposedly or otherwise. Finally as regards hobbies. I see supporting CFC as much more than a hobby to be replaced with another hobby. Real supporters like me see it as a way of life. SopotCelt

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To me vic looked like a player detemined not to get injured today ! disinterested and on his way ! still ours though, an open auction is the best outcome for celtic but i wouldn't be letting him go anywhere for 12m quid ! andybhoy

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Has there been an offer from Arsenal? i read about Utd getting ready to lodge a bid . As for the 12 million, i think Celtic would take it, he is a good player, but the Celtic mentality is to get players and move them on if the price is right, and you can buy a lot of players for 12 million. And also if wanyama wants to leave for the Premier league you may as well sell him for as much as possible. I can`t see any team bidding much more than that for him to be honest, i hope i`m proved wrong. Keir

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01 Jan 2013 23:32:03
Celtic to approach Chelsea about the possible loan signing of French playmaker Florent Malouda. Malouda has been unused at Chelsea this season and would be eligible to play in the Last 16 of the Champions League against Juventus.

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01 Jan 2013 23:22:02
Celtic to bid for Heracles Almelo playmaker Everton Ramos da Silva.

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Everton a playmaker? Celtic better goed for top striker malki from roda jc. 25 goals in 2012 allover.

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He is a l winger good record avg 1in 3.3 his contract is up in the summmer , also tuns 30 in july , , , , deep river bhoy

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