Celtic Rumours Archive April 27 2012

27 Apr 2012 22:35:30
Why should Scottish football care about Rangers and Celtic, as they both have done there best to leave Scotland for the past 10 years. Now when rangers need a friend they say Scottish football will die without them. They were happy to let it die in this case when they had money and power so i say kick them out not the 3rd division but gone completely and if Celtic wish to stay they accept change. Scottish football will die NO IT wont it may be smaller and less attractive but it will always be there and free of the brothers bigot.

Ive been a celtic fan for 40 years and i agree with some of what you say because hoops fhans will have a strange time ahead if rfc go under. not expecting to be agreed with but if we are shopping in the championship or smaller leahues in europe at the moment , hoe are we going to entice anyone with no competition and half of the co efficient for europe. listen no one would laugh more than me but it will leave the league weaker . will it be worth it in the long run . im not sure. i will love it for a while but maybe the gloss will go with title won by november. then again knowing our board they will spend just enough to take the title in may. not sure just uncertain. {Ed007's Note - Rangers fans (and some players) thought the league was over in November this year, even Jelavic. Where was the outcry? Three different teams winning the trophies and not one of them Rangers. Seems Scottish football 'struggled' by this year, apart from the clubs that were relying in money they Rangers were contractually due to pay them. Clubs will just cut their cloth accordingly.}

No facts before u class celtic in the same category as the bigots blue

Fact being Celtic n rangers have been wanting out Scottish football for years yet think they have the right to make the big decisions if Scottish football will survive without them then y not just ditch them both its because Scottish football needs them {Ed007's Note - It's too late at night for me to even list the contradictions in this post. Did you read that back before posting it?}

The O/F fans would probably miss their european football for the next 10 years or so once they start their new life in engurlund in the obscurity of the Northern league whilst us wee teams have a bash at the champions league each season back home in Scotland

Ed just cause jelavic opened his gob doesnt take away the fact that the rest are not going to raise their game . different winners of cups has happened before . rangers finished 3rd in 2006 but i still think that better more competitive teams than less . punishment must happen whether liquidation or 3rd div thtats a given but dont say the loss of old firm game will be a bonus it wont be . i s**t my pants all the way through them but it doesnt mean i want to see it gone a bit like a horror film fun but its nice to be scared. who else at parkhead will be scary? and for the poster who talks about class its not about whos morally better its about .thats a given its about the product on the park .

My last reply was either stopped or i didnt post properly but guys the jewel will be gone no matter what . how many people here love the rangers game come on be honest? the rest are flotsam to win you have to beat the nearest rival . who will step up ? no one . the rollercoaster of that game will be lost .

Poster why are you bringing us into this "them" weve done nothing wrong so please get your facts right ya plonker.,.,.,kbarry

I have been avoiding this debate but I feel I have to post something. Yes the OF game is great fun...most of the time and is of great interest, however when the league is tight near the business end and we have a fixture v RFC IMHO Celtic usually do not get the rub of the green. We really have to be exceptional to win the points. Why? well that's for everyone to reflect on; for me I think as they are the PEEPL they have to win, and they win or try to win using all methods at their disposal, fair or otherwise.I have been watching CFC for over 40 years so I think I may have some experience of this but I do accept my opinion is that of a CFC fan and can be questioned on the grounds of subjectivity. Another very important point and perhaps much more important than the previous is that of violence which accompanies these games in the form of serious assaults and even murders and have been associated with this fixture for many years. I know we have sanitized the problem and taken it away from the stadiums, but it is there, we just choose to ignore it these days. Admittedly the murders are less prevalent ( Thank God) but that is something that can change in an instant and there may well be many altercations fights and assaults that go by unrecorded which seems to suit many. This rivalry in footballing terms was admittedly generated by the existence of CFC, the other rivalries or should I say animosities come from one side of this rivalry (RFC) attempting to dominate the people they believe to be inferior to them (CFC) and this is outside the context of football and a good word for that would be Bigotry. I actually have never met a CFC supporter although I am sure they exist who hated or disliked a Rangers man on footballing terms. As far as I know CFC never looked for trouble and CFC fans rarely look for trouble, just look at how we are welcomed and appreciated throughout Europe (in stark contrast to RFC fans). Our Club is not the sort of organisation both in charter and spirit who creates division and disharmony and I take great exception to being branded a bigot by one of the posters earlier in the thread. If CFC is guilty it is guilty of merely defending itself against unseen powers and individuals who actually hate everything we stand for. This is generally mainly through ignorance and stupidity, more worrying is the stance taken by educated men against our club. So to summarise the OF game is a loss in footballing terms, however the benefits to society and the general health of the Scottish game may actually improve in the medium term. Finally the rhetoric and intimidation spouting from official and unofficial sources at Ibrox is pitiful and shameless. McCoist now seems to be pointing his attention at the faceless men hiding behind their computers. Whats next? Jungle Jim, Green Jhedi, and Wee Pat hauled before a Govan Kangaroo Court ( no offence Gold coast boy). The Parkheid 3 Water-boarded until they reveal the identity of Ed007 and Mrs Ed ( Mr and Mrs Julian Assange perhaps) Seriously though the actions and reaction to this self made crisis of the institution that is RFC is there for all to see. Lets take the first step forward by giving them a good spanking ( in football term of course) and thereafter ignoring them as they fall into the cesspit and pool of mediocrity which they themselves dug with their own hands and filled with their own centuries worth of bile. If it the last OF game then I will have no regrets as the price we have to pay for which is essentially entertainment is far too high. RIP RFC. Sopot Celt

I did wonder when celtic fans would deny being a bigot brother.

Lets not pretend its only celtic and rangers that sing offensive songs its just no one reports the others.

Deluded Sopot Celt, i actually think he's on Pot

"I actually have never met a CFC supporter although I am sure they exist who hated or disliked a Rangers man on footballing terms. As far as I know CFC never looked for trouble and CFC fans rarely look for trouble"

You've followed septic for over 40 years and u've never heard of any bigotry from septic fans absolute rubbish.

I could go on but this post will probably not be posted so wont waste anymore of my time as you'll come back as it wasn't us CFC.

Your either Blind & Deaf or just dont want to admit it like most CFC supporters {Ed007's Note - I edited your post. You are either an idiot, or not very well educated. Since when has hating monarchy been bigoted or sectarian in any way, shape or form? The rest of your post was just made up garbage as well. Some monarchies and it's armies are hated in their own country, there is a big bad world out there, it might serve you well to look around and see what is happening in other countries by the people who run the country and the armies they deploy. To make such a generalisation shows how idiotic you are.}

Ed007 in answer to your comment on my edited post, you didn't post my comments because you know there are true and I didn't say all the reason I posted were for bigotry, as in the Monarchy. I was highlighting some of the the problems that Sopot missed out about his teams perfect supporters when he slated RFC and you think its in the best interest of CFC that my post should be edited and hide the truth. I was just highlighting problems that CFC have with their support as he was with RFC supporters and all you can come back with is insults lol. Did I insult anybody, No but that's the level you stooping to. {Ed007's Note - You accused CFC fans of sectarianism and bigotry for not liking the monarchy or supporting the armed forces. That is wrong, you then went off an a rant about the SFA charges against NL, is he up on any charges to do with sectarianism or bigoted behaviour? I have never denied that there is still a problem with some of the CFC support but it is a minority. What is sectarian about the banner against UEFA? Stupid, yes. Sectarian, no. And if setting off flares is bigoted there are some amount if bigots crammed into Italian and Turkish grounds every weekend (haven't Rangers uses these bigoted flares as well???). You mentioned a list and blamed it all on sectarianism and bigotry yet only about two out of the list could be associated with any bigotry or sectarianism. And nobody here is trying to hide from anything, but we prefer to keep to the facts on here rather than the guff you thought up while being next in the queue to talk live on PhoneABird.}

Ed007 what u on tonight man.
Who said anything about sectarianism about the banner against UEFA, I didn't even mention sectarianism in ma post man, I made reference to the fact of highlighting problems with UEFA regarding some of your supporters.
I also didn't say that singing songs against the Monarchy was sectarian or bigoted, did I, No you said i did. I only put a list of behavior problems by septic fans
I didn't say that singing songs against the armed forces was sectarian or bigoted, did i.

Did i mention that letting off flares was Bigoted, dont think so. Read back and check.
You say i mentioned a list and blamed it all on Bigotry & sectarianism( the latter which i never even mentioned)

I mentioned a list of problems that i feel Sopot was in denial about CFC but didn't say it was sectarian or bigoted, i said that Sopot made reference that CFC had never in his time looked for trouble in his 40 years of following septic. Making out that septic fans do NO Wrong in his eyes.
I agree us rangers fans are far from perfect in fact a lot are mad lol.
I only made a response to a post Ed dont take it to heart a dont want u no sleeping the night.

You been drinking the night Ed a dont blame u if u have as its saturday night so have yin on me for keeping u company. {Ed007's Note - I will have a perfectly sound sober sleep tonight. Your list would have been printed no problem here. I am quite comfortable in letting people discuss things like that but your post was insinuating that everything was sectarian and bigoted. That is why I edited it, nothing to do with content, but it was the context of your post. I would have had to wade through replies trying to explain what was wrong with your post. If that isn't the way you meant it you have my apologises, but that is the way it came across. Does Rangers fans love and loyalty to the monarchy come through politics, religion, or the good that they do? Not just the UK monarchy, the whole monarchy system, demi-gods in their golden towers while kids die of malnutrition, old people dying in their own homes because they can not afford food or heating, young men who will put a bullet/blade in someone just to take their mobile from them or to make a quick buck. Look around the world and see what monarchy has done? The rich get richer and the poor get shat on and left to kill each other to keep their families fed, or for some junkie to get his next fix. Not to mention the genocide carried out by the monarchs and their armies on anyone who opposes them (not dragging up Ireland here, other nations have faced the same, just trying to paint a bigger picture). You can't support a system that only suits parts of your make-up.}

Oh and Ed a dont need to queue to talk to a PhoneABird mate a got a great wee Catholic wife of 32 years that I married in the Cathedral. So am no Bigoted or Sectarian.

Well am off now so have a gid night canny be bothered staying up cos its a big day the morra, somethings happening bit a canny put ma finger on it the noo, mibe i'll remember the morra wit it is lol. {Ed007's Note - Night mate, take care and have a good and safe day, but tell your wee Timmy wife to make dinner early, you won't be out for long ;-)

27 Apr 2012 21:59:27
Just seen mccoist's latest BBC interview and it left me with a question.Why is he persisting with this nonsense that he did not know the panel members? Apparently he was delighted Mr Drysdale came out and spoke about his problems as now he knew who he was!Ally,you had a representative at the meeting,the games up.He also uses this new buzz word concerning the whole affair"transparency".Okay ally,in the spirit of transparency,did you know the names of the panel before you demanded they be made public?He then moved on to the current state of rangers claiming,they and Celtic,have to be treated as special cases because of finances and the size of the clubs.Two problems here,firstly,we are in no trouble so please keep us out of your mess.Secondly,in the interests of transparency you understand,what was your statement when we had our pre Fergus troubles"nothing to do with me,but i cant say i am not enjoying it".Nothing about Celtic being too big then.As for his cheer leader in chief,Jim Traynor,another transparency activist,tell me this Jim.The next time you,or one of your School newspaper level reporters say"a source told me" or "an insider said" i presume you ,as editor, will insist on naming the "source"? After all Jim,we all want transparency dont we? Dont we...............green jhedi

Bang on . If he's that big on transparency why isn't he telling people who these secret millionaires behind The Blue Knights are . And while he's at it why doesn't he tell us what he whispered into NLs ear........DH

Just because there was a representitive at the meeting dosent exactly mean ally is guna know who was there maybe he did ask n they wouldn't say or he just never thought to ask he was asking who these people where as a fan however I agree that he could of worded a bit better considering all the nutters out there willing to inflict hurt for the sake of a sport its pretty pathetic that there's so called fans out there that just want to riot everytime there team is involved

To the reply above "maybes aye maybes no" go away. As for green jhedi your are a pure legend mate, you should have that half wit traynors job honestly mate you make sense after sense a very clever man
,.,.kbarry

Last year it was Celtic demanding transparence and clarity. It caused a referees strike and brought the game into disrepute if I recall. Now transparency is a dirty word because Rangers demand it?

@last poster; Totally different scenario.As im sure you know a ref LIED to our manager........green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 20:33:06
Celtic can get a victory on sunday,our centre halfs have got to stand up to McCulloch because he will try and play the same way he did the last time we played,Aluko might play through the middle,rather than playing on the wing,it paid off time,Whittaker will get stuck in also,Wanyama was sent off in the last game at ibrokes,it should have been whittaker,he could have broke Wanyamas left leg,the Celtic midfield have got to dominate the game and if they do victory can be ours,and please Remember all Celtic players,the opposition can fall down easily,that is how they got there penalty,C,mon the Hoops.

27 Apr 2012 19:49:37
If rangers go down to the third division, why dont celtic play two friendly matches a year, against them , so we could get results like 7.1 and put some money there kitty, for traviling to all the far flung grounds in the third division. hail, hail,

Oh hampden in the sun
,.,.kbarry

27 Apr 2012 16:14:21
More bad news for the bears

Ticketus withdraws from takeover bid
m.stv.tv/news/scotland/305106-ticketus-to-withdraw-funding-from-rangers-takeover-bids/

27 Apr 2012 13:41:42
heard a rumour last night that we are trying to get a player from Spain on loan at the end of the season to help with CL qualification. just heard it was an AT mid/striker .

hail hail

Marco1888

27 Apr 2012 12:34:45
So for sending a letter bomb,with sectarian under tones,two half wits get five years,sentences to run concurrently meaning out in possibly two years or less with tagging restrictions.The sentences were low as the judge thought there "was very little chance of them working" well thats all right then! Add the Lenny assault at swinecastle with MILLIONS of witnesses,with another slap on the wrist sentence and where does that leave the Scottish parliaments sectarian behaviour laws? Strange how salmond and robinson, so vocal in the rangers situation,seem to be quite content with these travesties of justice...........green jhedi

Are you implying that the scottish goverment is pro rangers? Not much salmond can do to our screwed up justice system

At what point has salmond been vocal in the rangers situation excluding punishing them for secterian singing ? as well as celtic however {Ed007's Note - He phoned HMRC to discuss the Rangers tax case, something UEFA do not take kindly to, politicians getting involved in their (football) business. Do you read and keep up with what is happening at your club?}

Rangers fan peace these two morons deserved what they got i agree it should have been longer its idiots like that that drag our club through the gutter im glad no one was hurt best wishes to mr lennon its a football game after all most rangers fans were sickened by this too hope its a good game on sunday

ED007.it's staggering how little some gers fans actually do know mate.Hence stupid replies like that.cheers..........green jhedi {Ed007's Note - I had to read that a couple of times to make sure I was picking it up right, what a strange question it was!!!}

Had these guys been of Asian extraction ,they would probably have been on remand for five years before being sentenced to another twenty . Still , the Crown may appeal the leniency of the sentences .

Paddy Malarkey

The judge must have been drunk a heard he cldnt string a sentence together

ED007, Green Jhedi the bit that got me was when judge BACKDATED sentence to LAST MAY, another year off...
I give up... Timalloy {Ed007's Note - It became a farce when the initial charges were dropped, Tim. I am actually surprised they didn't just get probation.}

I'm a Rangers fan and I can see why Lennon and the other people who got the bombs posted to them are not happy with the light sentences, I thought they would have got 10 years, means they serve 7 years, what they did was not in my name or any sane persons

I was so annoyed when i heard it was only 5 years these two thugs got as a rangers fan i think the law is too soft its a total joke in scotland we both love ours clubs its football a bit of banter but this sort of thing is just hatred which i will not be part of and most decent rangers fans these guys are total idiots and will never be endorsed at ibrox they are not rangers fans just sick twisted individuals peace out bear

27 Apr 2012 11:41:47
Just listened to Traynor on the BBC last night.Even by his standards this is muddled thinking.In defending mccoist(no shock there) his main thrust seems to be the names were all over the net.Of course that is perfectly correct,but it does nothing to dispel the opinion of a huge percentage of people that Mccoist was wrong.By stating what he did,mccoist only added fuel to a simmering fire.He sneakily(ally,sneaky, surely not) worded his release to make it seem he did not know the names of the panel members.This has been proved to be nonsense,as rangers were represented at the meeting.With two,and i use the term loosely,men,in court for sending Lenny LETTER BOMBS,would a sane human being not think there might be serious consequences arising from "outing" these people? Traynor then compares the panel to a "judge in a mobster(!)" trial.Really Jim? As a sports editor in a national newspaper we must assume you have had an education,if so,that's tax payers money down the drain.The law dictates trials,unless in some circumstances,are conducted in open court,the rules in this case was the panel of volunteers would not be named.ALL clubs agreed to this so once again it seems rules are in place until rangers dont like it.Mccoist is "passionate and loves his club" Lenny is "hot headed and shames his club",Mccoist is pictured with a ready smile leaving ibrox,Lenny is pictured "snarling"at referees.Go figure. Then steaming over the horizon is the good ship dignity,Captained by uncle walter. In a particularly sickening release he defends mccoist to the hilt,parroting the new line of this could kill rangers and the least they could do was suspend the transfer ban till new owners arrived.How would that work walter? So on top of all the punishments still to come,you want to add another? Your club are in administration and cant sign players while this is on going,Your club has no money to sign players, so would you not be better eating into the embargo while you cant do business anyway? To push the argument that you will be losing senior players shortly is ludicrous,as i ask what we all want to know.This is your own fault so why are you blaming everyone else?Im afraid jardine let the cat out the bag with his "we are too big for this" rubbish,everybody heard you sandy and going by twitter the other clubs are pretty piss*d! Not to worry a march is planned(got your permit,s boys?) from Queens park to Hampden for speeches etc in the car park. so,all turn up ,march to an empty building,listen to some flag waving rhetoric and disperse. What a plan! No wonder there club is in this mess,The words pi55 up and brewery are in there somewhere.........green jhedi

Mr Jhedi you are spot on again.
I have been searching for articles denouncing what McBlobby said and I have been somewhat unsuccessful (apart from the Alex Thomson blog). Smith defends his actions by stating McBlobby is a fan of Rangers. Sorry Smithie but he has a far bigger responsibility now. He has to start acting like a representative of Rangers and not someone who will encourage mob mentality. Mind you when you get Jardine coming out with quotes like this:

"We'lll get a bit of pain, but everybody else is going to get a bit of pain too."�

He added that details of supporter's sanctions against the unnamed clubs would be announced this weekend.

He explained: "Having gone round and met a lot of the supporters and people within the club, I think people are absolutely sick and tired of everybody having a kick at us when we're down.

"We are going to have a meeting with all the delegates from the whole of Britain, and some of them will be flying in from abroad, on Saturday.

"Out of that, the supporters will take sanctions against clubs which we deem have been unfair to ourselves.

"I'm not going to go into the actual details but we will probably announce that after the meeting with the supporters clubs."

"Also the Fighting Fund last night sanctioned money to fund a QC to fight the case against the SFA.

"Everybody is sick and tired of just accepting everything that everybody is throwing at us and it's about starting to fight back.

"The size of our club and the size of our supporter base, it can be a powerful weapon."

Powerful weapon? Everybody else is going to get a lot of pain? Aye right enough I've been laughing so much I've started to get stitches.

db

Once again Green jhedi, I say:
I could not have worded it better myself. Sometimes I think you are using the 'green jedhi mind-trick' to read my thoughts before I post them!
Keep up the informative, educated posts my friend...................kbt1978

Sorry guys it aint Green Jhedi.

He is infact Shuggie Keevins! :)

Great post GJ.I have to say i enjoy reading your posts mate.

Jungle Bhoy.

An eloquent and well thought out post MR Jhedi I commend you. Some very interesting points raised about the wide disparity of treatment given to both our club and manager by both the media and SFA in comparison to the soft soap and platitudes issued in support of the tax dodgers from Govan. It was ever thus I'm afraid and LEnnon and and Celtic can expect an unabated relentless assault on them to continue apace next season by both malevolent entities.

Jim Dhoc

Well said mate but lets keep our cool on Sunday the world will be watching lets not get tarred with the same brush!

27 Apr 2012 11:30:03
those 2 b*stards got 5 years for crimes against neil lennon

Gemmell1967

27 Apr 2012 11:13:59
Apparently, Ticketus DO WALKING AWAY

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17867822

samson

27 Apr 2012 09:40:57
The Old Firm Derby.
They moan if there's some trouble and complain if there is not
They criticise the songs we sing and the players we've just bought
They say there's too much passion then say we've lost our pride
But the truth is they're just jealous of two wee teams on the Clyde.

They ridicule our referees and decisions that are made
With sarcastic innuendos on how our game is played
If we try to pass they fault us or sneer at long balls up the field
But the truth is they're just jealous of the Old Firm's world appeal.

The tongues that criticize us only say what we can see
Do they understand our passion as they watch along with me?
They see a game through blinkered eyes with no passion or no heart
It’s the oldest and the greatest of which they will play no part.

If you take away the bigotry and hatred from this game
You'll lose the pride and passion and take away its fame
It'll just be like your derbies, nothing special, nothing great
Just a sanitised old football match where the moneymen dictate.

To know what passion feels like, to feel the fire and steel
It rises up inside you, this you can't conceal
You feel that special pride as you welcome on your side
And all of this from two wee teams, who live down by the Clyde.

You can take Milan or Manchester, London or the 'Pool
They can't compare, don't come near, the Scottish fixtures' jewel
Of all the derbies worldwide, there's none that can be found
To match an Old Firm derby, right here in Glasgow town.

Was really enjoying this wee poem till I got the bit
If you take away the bigotry and hatred from this game
You'll lose the pride and passion and take away its fame

We need to get rid of the bigotry make Glasgow a safer place where we can wear what colour we want and walk where we want.

Well dne m8 rather enjoyed dat

Agree with 1st poster. Was enjoying it upto the bigotry part.

Dont enjoy being linked to cheats like rangers in any way

Rangers fan here i was enjoying it up to the bigotry part as a rangers fan it deffo time to move on from this bigotry thing im sick to death of it its not healthy take the stupid songs out and it will be better two sets of great fans who love their clubs enough said

27 Apr 2012 00:00:15
I see that tw@t Sandy Jardine is quoted on the STV website as saying:

"We are going to have a meeting with all the delegates (of supporters clubs) from the whole of Britain, and some of them will be flying in from abroad, on Saturday.

Out of that, the supporters will take sanctions against clubs which we deem have been unfair to ourselves."

More bully boy tactics and intimidation, this time againt their fellow football clubs.

Does this club know no shame. As an ambassador of Rangers he should be hauled over the coals by the SFA.

He also states:

"I�m still at the club, I worked under Craig Whyte and I have to say that nobody knew that he wasn�t paying bills. It was as big a shock to us as to everybody in Scottish football."

Is this guy real, coming out with absolute lies. Does Jardine believe that Whyte personally received all the bills himself, wrote cheques, paid BACS transfers and accounted for the invoices. Absolutely no chance.

Other people would have carried out the function of bill payment and clearly saw they weren't getting paid.

And what did these creditors do when they hadn't been paid, personally call Whyte and ask for payment or speak to the accounts department within Ibrox.

There are employees within Ibrox that knew what was happening, so wrap it Jardine, and don't peddle your p1sh. {Ed007's Note - Who's paying for the flights for abroad? Never heard of a conference call or Skyle????}

ED007, not only that but I heard Jardine say that some of the Rangers fans fighting fund would be used for legal fees to challenge SFA ruling. That is not why decent Rangers fans paid their hard earned money for... Timalloy

Absolutely spot on. Fat sally is also in this dissociative state where he says Whyte is the only one who should be punished/held accountable because its nothing to do the club /players /employees. Duh!