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26 Nov 2012 19:27:06
I think people should be a little more cautious with regard to praise of team and manager. By this I mean the level of praise, whilst I admit they have improved as a group and as coaches it has to be noted that this is our worst start to a domestic campaign in 14 years.

I am not saying they are not capable of better here, let me be clear on that and I'm very hopeful that they can improve drastically with the correct guidance and nurturing. I feel that there have been a few too many of them reading their own press and becoming complacent, may I offer hooper as an example? This season he has looked a shadow of himself and I believe that he has become complacent in regards effort and desire on the park. If this attitude is prevalent on even a few of our guys then it could explain the poor results and performances in "breid n butta" spl games.

I read Lennon saying he had gutted them out after Saturdays game and I don't know about anyone else but I pray to god that his speech was akin to the infamous rugby park speech because they need to start performing more like we can, and soon.

We know they're better than this and so do they, from Wednesday on its time for them to start showing it. They are young and maybe it is simply a case of underestimating the opponents due to their opinion of themselves.

For the record before I get the- you're negative, sound like a zombie crass chat- I do not want the manager given the chop just want them all to be Celtic, champions and show pride for the jersey we would kill to put across our shoulders even just the once.

Pride, passion and progression has to be the minimum aim for a team in any sport surely?

C'mon bhoys- season starts now!!

Jamie mac(looking forwards)

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I'll be looking for a result on Wednesday & i'm going to the Scottish cup game on Saturday.

I was doubting you a wee bit Jamie in your last argument as i seen you mentioned Rangers supporters, i would prefer they were kept out of it.

I did ask why you did not want Neil Lennon to go & what qualities you think he has ? I explained my opinion for backing Neil Lennon..Mrs E

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I'll back him as he has done well, clearly has a passion for celtic and is obviously strong enough mentally to be celtic manager. The whole back room team must take credit for the assembly of the team in one way or another as advice will have been given and sought but most praise you would hope would be for Lennon who, hopefully, has the final say on signings.

The makings of a team who can perform consistently are there, his results are patchy,however,I would hope he would be given the time and the backing by all to progress this team to the next stage of his vision. Whether all the players want to hang around for that is doubtful in my mind but that's not in his control.

My point wasn't about his qualities, dearth or abundance,Mrs e just about his behaviour on Saturday towards a fan. This is by far his major flaw, he is too short tempered.

I'm not sure what I think about your - I wasn't sure bout you - comment if I'm honest ha ha

Jamie mac {Ed007's Note - I had a chuckle at that myself Jamie.}

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Jamie-mac,, yes performances should be better at home but we are top with a game in hand and euro football guarenteed after christmas , would you prefer an 100% spl record and no euro football, it may be the worst league start for x amount of seasons but does that statistic mean we are having a bad season ,i am not a head in the sand never criticise celtic fan and there are players i dont think are good enough for us but its about a balance between spl and europe and this group of players and nl who have only been together for 2 seasons are trying to get that and while we are ahead i think they should be afforded some time before attacking them , also its only a month away from the transfer window when we can freshen and strengthen the squad and the league will not be won or lost between now and then, we are not in a bad position but as you say look forwards,,,,deep river bhoy

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I was just not sure where you were going with your previous posts when you mentioned the GB etc that was all.

I'm not saying NL is beyond critisism or anything like that, I know how I felt last season 3-0 down at Killie but that was well & truly turned around !

I really thought that fan on Saturday was way out of order and he did look quite aggresive. Your right though, whether NL was right to react remains up for debate. Mrs E

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Well said Jamie Mac there are a lot of us out there share your opinion.I hope Lenny gave the forward line the haidryer treatment at fulltime on Saturday cause they deserved it.If Hooper wants out get rid in January before his attitude affects others.I would like others on this page like to see Russell and Mackay- Steven at Parkhead and let fringe players go in Janurary in order that substitutions would not weaken the team in future.It might be a idea to give some of the younger members of the squad loan deal in order to bring them back with more experience for next season,however i'm sure Lenny and the boys have plans for the next transfer window and his purchase of young talent is definately the way forward.As many have said in Lenny we trust.

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Re: deep river bhoy,
I agree with you mate. Whatever way you look at it, yes we are 'struggling' in the SPL - apparently. Still up at the top though. The Champions League is the priority while the group stages are running - then it becomes the SPL again (for me anyway).
Personally speaking, its simply a case of matching the Euro performances and undoubted pressure of those games, back in the 'bread and butter' of the League.
This season is unique for one glaringly obvious reason - no Rangers. If we had a 100% record in the SPL up to now - people would be moaning that the League was crap and there was no competition!
Recent reporting and comments are a level of mass hysteria as far as I'm concerned. League titles are won in May, and the festive period of matches is the true barometer of ANY side.
I'm only concerned about Spartak - for now...............kbt1978

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So the first third of a season doesn't matter, only Xmas and may? It's a shame the fans pay the same in September then, are half season books the way forward?

Obviously not, I'm being flippant I know but the point remains they haven't been good enough domestically. We cannot use being top with a game in hand to hide behind, our benchmarks, rangers or no rangers to compete against, should be our benchmark and expectations not being above rangers, Aberdeen, whoever.

We have been very poor in league games, it's not good enough, we are celtic- there are standards 125years old.

Jamie mac(to play football.....)

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Jamie mac:
read my post again buddy and quote me where I say Xmas and May only matter and that the first 3rd of the season doesn't matter? I don't remember saying that - it is right above this post though.
This is a unique season because there is no obvious rival for the League Championship - would you not agree? Or will Hibs and Aberdeen or even ICT 'push' us all the way? Should I be worried that we won't win the SPL mate?
You mentioned 'benchmark' - I prefer to make my 'benchmark' for judging a season so far (and its only 1/3rd in as you say, really should only judge it when the trophies are presented) the Champions League. We are doing alright in the toughest football tournament going, and beat the top team and favourite to win it. If we were bottom without a point then there would obviously be something seriously wrong with Neil Lennon and the team.
Regarding the SPL or any other League title, the festive, congested programme of matches is where experience and squad size counts. That has always been the case and will be proved again this year. The other 'rivals' are cutting each others throats already. They can't string 5 wins together - we can and will - and we will then pull clear.
Finally, if Rangers were still in the SPL - (hypothetically speaking obviously) and we were in the exact same position - would people not be saying it is the 'mark of champions' to hang on in there while playing poorly? We would be taunting their fans and they would be sh*****ng themselves that we would put a run together. So why should it be any different when its Hibs, Aberdeen and ICT? Or is it simply arrogance that we should be 'pumping' them?
I'm looking forward to reading the usual suspects posts once we put a few performances and results together, allied to a (hopefully) last 16 in the CL - the extremely fickle nature of some Celtic fans has saddened me recently. Almost as bad as Govan in the 1990's......................kbt1978 (always looking at the bigger picture, always supporting the team win, lose or draw, always looking back to times when we had genuine reasons to moan or be worried - not this season though).

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Its not really in anyones best interests [ celtic included] for us to be 20 points clear by christmas. The spl currently has the lowest gap top to bottom in the sfl or efl and is at least interesting ! In the same way that NL sent 11 players out with a job to do against the best team on the planet and it worked some of the other spl managers have the capability to do a job on us !Its becoming a habit though ! Our league form wasn't great this time last year either but once we got a break from europe all that changed. We have a tired squad ! guys who are short on fitness or injured are playing when they should be resting ! Bigger squads than ours have struggled after cl games and travel . Other managers also get very familiar with how we play in the spl because we play each other so often, and we are a bit predictable at the moment. Hopefully a few faces in in january including someone who can split defences and vary things a bit and a rest from the demands of the cl and we will be just fine ! andybhoy

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Andybhoy could not agree more, all these glass half empty people should remember when we were struggling under, Joe Venglos,Liam Brady, Lou Macari,John Barne's and Tony Mowberry. We ARE top of the league,We ARE playing for a shot at the last sixteen in CL, We ARE still in the two domestic trophie's, why all the panic ?. If we are going to accept how we play against the Barcalona's, we have to accept that SPL team's come to our's and play the same way. We have not got the divine right to beat anyone,before anyone say's, aye but look at the money they get paid more than these team's, two word's Lisbon Lion's.
Tambhoy

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26 Nov 2012 19:10:08
Its reported that big EPL sides are looking at young Jordan Larsson.
Hope his Dad (KING HENRIK) steers him towards the mighty HOOPS. Julieghirl

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Yea he looks good but he's not going any where till he's 21 I think larrson snr wants him to develope as a player before getting rushed by a big team tbh when he's ready to move we may be in with a shout but it would depend on how the league looks cause this 12 team system is crap if the league is right and we offer a good deal I think he will jump at the chance to wear the hoops for a few years perfect place to develope

If you think about it like this if we got larrson snr when he was 19 now and sold him after a few years in this market 20mil or more easy

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26 Nov 2012 17:27:27
To all true Celtic fans going to Tynecastle let's make sure he knows we are backing him and what's he's doing for Celtic. Especially at the ground he was brutally attacked at. Hail Hail.
Rob

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To all true celtic players going to tynecastle lets put the effort in and get a result and show you are behind the club aswell

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Let's get something straight about the above point neil lennon was not brutally attacked it was an attempted assault lennon was not touched in the incident i think you should be clear about what you say. neverless it was a bad incident i am not the greatest fan of lennon but he did not deserve that no human being does. anyway the attitude of the celtic players needs to be questioned they forget that it might be good playing in the champions league but the league is of more importance and i am sure inside lennon would want the league wrapped up sooner or later so he can blood some youngsters towards the end of the season and give the senior players a rest thats way i would be thinking. {Ed007's Note - I think you should go back and look at the video and pictures of the incident if you are saying there was no physical contact when NL was attacked.

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26 Nov 2012 22:18:25
ed okay there was contact but it was very minimal what i said was it was not a brutal attack a brutal attack is when someone is stabbed or hit in any other way that causes injury lennon did not need treatment so it was not brutal anyway in no way does this condone what this person did and he was dealt with severly by the courts. anyway ed i think you can tell i am a gers fan and i wont deny this i just want to ask your honest opinion on lennon. my view is he is a good manager and has come on leaps and bounds in the last 6 or so months ever since being 3-0 down to killie. this season he seems calmer but maybe this is due to less pressure of not having rangers in the league. but you have to admit at times he does not help the situation by his actions which was seen at the weekend when he confronted fan's. we as fans are entitled to voice displeasure if our team is not playing well definetly at home if i was him i would have concetrated on the game and not the small section of fans. anyway this is not a bigoted comment its a serious point of view. finally hopefully for scottish football celtic beat spartak and get to the knockout stages ( although i want you knocked out at that stage) it can only help the co-efficency and if rangers do return to the top league we can both somehow get in the champions league group stages it would be good to see us both in it battling it out against europe's elite i sat and watched celtic v barca and it wasnt good knowing we aren't there.

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{Ed007's Note -Why did you also post this in, who do you support......


Evening Ed i agree with the above comment it was not a brutal attack but it was a bad incident which shamed scottish football i remember a lot of bad incidents over the years going back to the hugh dallas incident.


I was at the game at the weekend sitting close to the fans who were shouting at lennon and it was not good but there was no need for lennon to come over and start confronting fans we are entitled to boo the team if they not playing well the players lacked desire and looked dis-interested at times we love the champions league games but at the end of the day the bread and butter is the league. do you think the attitude of the players is there is no rangers in the league so no pressure on us as we will win the league because if this is it then i am dissapointed because even though they are not in the league so we will win it anyway i still want to win every game and the players to be giving 100 per cent. also gutted at the attendance crowds are going down at parkhead and its not a good image when you see a half empty parkhead. i am at every home game no matter who we are playing and not just turning up for the big games. what's your views. {Ed007's Note - My view is very clear and straight forward, you're an idiot. Are you another wee sad sack Sevco supporter that has chosen CFC as his 'big' team to support?}

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Ed maybe someone else put up a comment on the same computer {Ed007's Note - And maybe the computer converted both posts into the same writing style etc and made the exact same mistakes......... How do you know it came from a computer? It could have came from a smart-phone.}

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Lets rock Tynecastle and leave with a good win against a team skint and with no real identity other than sevcos support act.Where better to show Lenny we are with him!

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Haha, soooooo caught out!! Well in Ed..... Sevco fans a bit bored obviously but that has made my day!!

ChrisBhoy {Ed007's Note - It just shows how sad and pathetic some people's life must be! Would any self respecting CFC fan ever have pretended to support Rangers before they died, Chris? I know I would have felt a bit grubby if I had ever done that.}

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Well said Rob. Hope the "LENNY BASHING" is over. OK the team were poor on Saturday but Im sure Neil has had plenty to say to them. I predict a 2.0. win 2morrow night and a win against Spartak. Julieghirl

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27 Nov 2012 19:37:58
why is it all the things about the past are being brought up we as a club should be trying to sort our league form out instead of looking on the past. it was an unsavoury incident i just hope there is no trouble in the stadium tommorrow night as in retaliations because i fear we could be hit hard by the powers to be if there is. going to be a very tough night tommorrow lets just hope we do not get any injuries.

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Ed i posted my thoughts on the hearts game tommorrow night i meant to ask your thoughts and do you think there will be any trouble in the stadium as you know outside the old firm games we used to have then the hearts game away is our biggest game of the season. {Ed007's Note - I hope there isn't any trouble and I don't know why there should be. 99.99% of CFC fans know how to behave.}

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To the person that state's it was not a brutal attack ? and that make's it right.Neil Lennon did not know what this clown had in his hand and after all the $hit he has been through because of bigot's and ar$ehole$, do you not think it would be frightening for him, this in itself would make it a brutal attack. Have a lookk at yourself and stop spouting pi$$
Tambhoy

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26 Nov 2012 15:35:51
Some supporters need to be careful what they wish for.

Neil Lennon will be the best manager we've had in decades at this club, if we allow him to continue the work he is doing.

Martin O'Neill was given bucket loads of cash and also inherited top class Celtic players such as Petrov, Lambert and not to mention one of our best ever players in Larsson!

Lennon has been given peanuts and did not inherit one good player from the Mowbray regime as the board had to sell McGeady because of the loss in Champions League money.

In the Champions League for the first time in four years, and one game away from the last sixteen with European football already guaranteed beyond Christmas!

Lennon's doing a great job.

Recent results haven't been great, but could anyone point out blatantly obvious tactical howlers from Lennon?

I can think of a few tweaks, but nothing glaringly obvious, which suggests to me that it is the players' problem!

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Totally agree, we are top of the league with a game in hand ,still in all domestic cup competions ,one game away from last sixteen of champions league (that man city and chelsea dont look like making even though the have prob spent best part of 2billion between them) and our books are extremly healthy ,some fans need to take a long hard look at themselves

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We are top of the league because of the poor standard of competition in the spl. We have "stars" who are paid 10times the opposition and are failing!

This is out worst start to a season in over 50years and if it wasnt for lack of competition in the spl then we would all be calling for lennons head.

I really dont think lennon is the man to lead our club for much longer, he only got the job because no1 was really interested. He has done well since he came in. But please Neil, follow up on what you said, time to walk away if the results dont improve {Ed007's Note - I have read your first paragraph a few times and it makes no sense. Are you saying we have lost/drawn matches because of the lack of competition, isn't that a sign of there being competition?

If we were sitting on 42 points with a game in hand with Aberdeen where they are that would show a definite lack of competition.

We have lost and drawn matches because the team aren't playing well enough, it's as simple as that. Some fans need to take a deep breath and calm down with some of the knee-jerk reactions. How many managers have given us European football after Christmas in recent years? Let's wait until the end of the season before calling for the manager to go anywhere.

I guarantee that come May the same people will be coming out with 'GBNL' and praising him up. He watched players leaving left, right and centre all summer and was left to scrape about in the bargain basement for signings, the club is moving in the right direction both on and off the park. You can't have it all your own way all of the time.

So who would you get in to replace NL?}

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Neil ain't going nowhere. Any resignation wouldn't be accepted.
He knows a few dozen voices or even a few hundred or thousand ain't the global millions backing him up. But as a Celtic fan himself he knows losing a 57 year home record to Killie then ICT getting their first ever Parkhead win isn't good enough. I'm sure he'll sort it out. When the fans get short tempered you don't get short tempered back.

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I keep reading with dismay all this talk of Lennon out. What is going on its crazy. Were top of league and still in Europe. If we beat Spartak and go through it will be one of the greatest achievement from any Celtic manager. I for one is proud to be a Celtic fan and I'm very happy with our squad, Yes they need to step up a bit more in league games but I wouldn't change them.
Hail Hail
Welshbhoy

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Do you think a managers job is to just name the players ?? he signs them he trains them he motivates and uses them to their potential he brings in the back room staff the coaches he formats the team he instructs them he sets up the tactics and he builds the team

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Me senses rankgers fans impoestering bhoys jumping on lennons back ! sevco rumbled
lennon will come good in spl dominance and Europe too :-) HAIL HAIL

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Well said poster................once the Spartak Moscow game is over Celtic will move up a gear regarding the league and whilst the rest of the teams cut each other up the league will almost be done and dusted by the time the European knockout stages come around.

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I know the CL is important revenue wise but season tickets and match day income is far more important. Great we are in Europe but lets not forget the bread and butter. If the home losses continue then I can see parkhead being a far less intimidating place on match day and there'll be far more empty seats. Rangers fill their stadium every week if you believe that sort of thing.No use wearing a fur coat if we can only afford to buy knickers for underneath it. The league is our lifeblood.

If I may interpret what the original poster wrote, I think he means if there was a viable rangers, say Rangers 2009 not in Europe then they would be out of sight.

League form is not good enough, attitude is not good enough and application is not good enough. Tiredness is not an excuse. Soccer is far less draining than Rugby, pro cycling or Gaelic Football or hurling which is paid by amateurs.

If lennon takes the plaudits for victory he must accept criticism

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Who cares if Rangers 2009 would have been in front of us? If we had Celtic 1967 team playing where would we be? Rangers are gone mate sorry to tell you. Maybe you should go back to worrying about the 3rd Division.

If you can't do the time don't do the crime. You leave us to worry about the important stuff.

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26 Nov 2012 13:48:01
Great result for the youthin the scottish youth cup yesterday. After giving away a lead twice to a resilient hibs side Big Denny ( Denny Johnstone ) Comes on and pops up in the 118th minute to score a cracker well done boys. Onwards to the quarter finals.

The Happy Turnkey

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26 Nov 2012 13:31:52
gary hooper to sunderland in january & celtic to bring in johnny russell & gary mackay steven from dundee utd....

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I would be for this. Russell is a different striker to Hooper of course so i think next summer we would still be looking to sign a class frontman if one is available but these 2 would be good signings and would only improve at Celtic. Russell is a good Celtic man aswell, have a friend who's from dundee who knows the family well and he says the boy would sign in a heartbeat.

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Russell is from Coatbridge

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He never said he wasn't, he said he had a FRIEND in dundee that knew the family. U can know folk outside ur hometown lol

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Roll on January,Hooper gets lazier everytime I see him,think he should keep off the pies.

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Dont think any of the two of them would be automatic first team pics......BGX

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26 Nov 2012 12:58:15
Celtic have been told by Thai club Buriram United to stump up £700,000 to land the wonderkid Frank Acheampong labelled the "Ghana Messi".

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