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22 Feb 2013 22:33:18
Rite boys starting from Sunday let's win the next 6league games then yous can start thinking of your early summer holidays. am sick of players putting it in papers what they are going to do then blow it on next game. we needs yous fresh and ready for cl qualifiers so give it one almighty push no more talking.
Lets finish this season first, including winning the Scottish Cup!. kbt1978
22 Feb 2013 14:59:25
Unbelievable that anyone of a sane mind could think Celtic winning the title this year could be in anyway devalued as Rangers are not in the SPL.
When you look at the other European Leagues:-
EPL - Manchester United 12 point lead
Bundesliga - Bayern Munich 15 point lead
La Liga - Barcelona 12 point lead
Where's the competiveness in these leagues?
Celtic's target is to achieve the group stages of the Champions League and in the first season of Rangers absence, this was achieved and exceeded so where is this devaluation?
It's a totally hypothetical situation Rangers still being in the SPL. If they were and a CVA had been granted, they would still be massively weakened from the overspending, tax avoiding Rangers teams of days gone-by. Queen Of The South have a better record in the SFL than TRFC.
I can only imagine this 'devalued' talk is coming from the jealous and overly bitter support of a 3rd division club which just happens to have the 2nd biggest wage bill in Scottish Football. I would suggest they keep an open eye on the values (financial and otherwise) of this new club they support. There is no Rangers in the SPL and that is not Scottish Football's fault but Rangers own doing entirely ~ Mrs E
Well all I can say mrs E is its a shame that they weren't allowed into the SPL by every corrupt and under handed method they tried, because the amount of "we don't do walking Away" supposed rangers men who walked away at their first opportunity, they would have ended up battling out relegation this season!
But I am sure these "Ra peepl" would have claimed it all to be unfair and advantageous to every other team!
BUT, they seem to forget the way they cheated every team who were unable to afford to compete with their financially fabricated pursuit of Celtic!
Hypocrisy is rife down given way, and they know it too!
Taz
@ Mrs E, Had they got a cva and stayed in the spl they would still be saying the league was devalued because of the cva! At the end of the day day celtic can only play what's in the league and, as you say, its nobodys fault but theirs that they aren't. Andybhoy
The competitiveness in those leagues comes from Manchester City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Borrussia Dortmund, Schalke, Leverkusen, Hannover,, Athletico Madrid, Sevilla, Valencia, Levante oh and Real Madrid now all of these teams are much much better than Celtic are so I guess maybe your right about the SPL Mrs E because your on the same par as Inverness, St Johnstone & Motherwell, Yes Rangers might be far from that's standard but I can admit it can u admit that Celtic & the SPL is so far behind all of them? It's been an easy ride for Celtic No matter how u put it with the players & squad depth at your disposal it should have & has been a walkover just like Rangers in the 3rd division! God how I can't wait till we are mixing it up with Celtic again I know it's great for you'd now and I'm glad use are enjoying our demise but it really will be all the sweeter when we take your title and get to see use all greeting into your scarfs wasn't so long ago was it? This is just the beginning & all that took Rangers to fold & Walter to leave to reach your precious CL group stage Hindsights a great thing isn't it!
@ Nameless TRFC Fan
Who the competition are in these leagues is totally irrelevant. The gap is the same and unless Man Utd, Barcelona or Bayern have a momumental breakdown, I would say those leagues are all but over.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious however I'm well aware of who the other Clubs in these Leagues are. I'm also glad you think Liverpool are major competition for Man Utd, that's just wishful thinking for me at the moment.
Celtic don't have it easy, there is more pressure on them than ever to complete trebles and reach the group stages of the CL every year now.
Celtic are also head & shoulders above the rest of the SPL and yes, there will be defeats. Norwich beat Manchester United this season, are they the same then?
Do not be such a hypocrite to come on here and speak of fans enjoying RFC's demise, if it was Celtic so would you. Except Celtic are not built the way RFC were and that includes pre-1994, there was never tax avoidance or over spending on such a scale of RFC.
Hindsight is a great thing but you ignored more than one warning sign of your Clubs demise and are still doing it with its ugly offspring in Div 3!
I don't think you are fully grasping how long out in the wilderness the club you now support will be or how far behind they are.
Oh believe me when/if this ugly offspring makes it to the top tier of Scottish football, Celtic will still be there waiting and stonger than ever. BRING IT ON! ~ Mrs E
Listen too you ya zombie crying into our scarfs wasn't that long ago. your scarfs where round wee whyties neck yous are where u belong no history all your titles where tainted go Dwn south cheat your way too titles Dwn there 60 thousand will come help u pack
22 Feb 2013 19:49:16
Above un-named poster do you realise what a f*d you sound, we have just proved that we can hold our own against the best 32 teams in Europe and make it to last 16, we are streets ahead of anything in Scotland which is home to Dundee Utd and Inverness Caley, 2 clubs that have pumped the New club you now support. As for the corrupt club you used to support when did they last win the SPL playing to the rules?. Stevie
@ nameless, What a pile of crap! Totally missed the point. Andybhoy
To the braindead zombie. that's all we ever hear, just you wait! give it a rest. at the moment your club is sliding into chaos again. you don't understand the economic fundamentals. celtic have had a higher income and lower expenditure than rangers for years. that gap is now a chasm. dermot desmond oversees a tight ship and that is paying off. your man green is paying ally a ridiculously high salary and anyone can see he can't do the job. green is running a ship which takes in water at every tide and may not sink but will never catch the sleek modern vessel being run at celtic park. you will have to get rid of him and build a new boat before you even start. wishful thinking and bullsh1t will get you nowhere. I don't even know who you are playing this week and don't care.
I vote Mrs E. spokesperson for cfc. H.
Ahoy there matey well sayed wod thater get on noahs ark than the concordia r the titanic accident waiting to happen so happy at the way out beloved club gets ran rangers will never admit it bt in these finacialy hard times where are doing brilliant we've had plaudits from Dwn south the lot wee welcome the chase remember pal zombies can't run that fast ha Joe bhoy
Guess I must just be an person coz, and call me picky, but oldco never won the spl fairly. Only through cheating and double contracts. You will never play again in the spl so says your Messiah green. Or wait a minute could that have been a lie lmao
Correct Mrs E The title will only be tainted to those poor ex Rangers supporter's whose team are no longer here RIP. We just beat what's in front of us and celebrate when we win the SPL. As for their NEW team I don't think we will have to worry about them for a long time. GOTH
Tambhoy
22 Feb 2013 14:42:01
Let's get back to discussing CELTIC ( a novel idea I know).
In December I posted about our coefficient and asked whether it would have helped us more to go down to Europa League but maybe win some more coefficient points.
So far Celtic have gained 20 coefficient points (cannot see us adding to that total) ideally we need round about that coefficient points each season. In next 3 seasons we should be aiming for 20 points each year. We also need the other SPL teams to start chipping in with more coefficient points (this season 4 teams only got 3 points)
Next season we play 3 qualifying rounds, we need every SPL to get our points total up which will benefit not just Celtic but all SPL teams as well.
We all know UEFA calculate coefficient over 5 year cycles so we need next 4/5 years to be better than last 5 years.
With Celtic reaching last 16 this season, all SPL teams will receive about £200k bonus each as a result, so it is in their interests financially and also the other SPL teams have chance of making more money if they progress further in europe themselves.
Timalloy
I think 3 qualifiers - and when they are scheduled - is a big ask and if we lose a few of out top players early in the summer window; then it adds up.
We all prefer the CL for obvious reasons and we had some great highs along the way and I was totally surprised and delighted we managed 10 points in our group although, I too thought we would be better equipped to challenge for the Europa trophy.
Anyway 4-0 in Turin could happen - but who for?
I hope Dundee United finish second this year, If they can keep all there players, I think they could get passed at least first round of Champion League qualifiers.
Always thought that euro qualification should come down too individual points rather then national average, cetic should be judged by what they done in past 5 years rather then what motherwell did, although we havnt been as prolific in past we should have boosted our own score this year
22 Feb 2013 09:56:11
My mate that's a spurs fan was speaking too adrian gyles last week and asked the question what he thinks of Celtic comming down too the epl, now that eufa has granted membership too teams from the Russian states too join, he said most if not 90 per cent want it, but the fat cats at the epl are scared of any thing new, but said sky is starting too ask questions and he personally said it will happen two years especially if Celtic have a good run at the c l next year, he then asked the question if it did happen does he think they would survive his answer was straight Celtic play in epl Celtic get epl money they just wouldn't survive they would be among it in three years or less, this goes too show this is defently a topic being talked about in the grounds down here in England, jodrok
Dont believe it for a second and my reasons are this, with the fan base of celtic or rangers, with epl money we would be challenging for title within 5 yrs, epl know this so why would they let us in for the title to go to a scottish team.
Who wants to go down, Our Club is financially better off, we have no debt. We are a Scottish team and everyone wants to go down south just to chase money. It's a slap in the face to our history as a Scottish club and I dread being in europe, getting a result and the english taking the credit for it. no chance
Im going to spell it out bluntly folks i'm in my mid 30s and I expect that even by time i'm an old man Celtic will not have kicked a ball in epl. There are also reasons I don't want us to such as the hate many english would have towards our fanbase identity. we would also be in a near no win with their media and arrogant fans feeling we would have to prove to them we are the stature of club we know we are.
Gally
What an utter pile of crap. This adrian gyles person, BTW, no idea who that is; Maybe Ardian Chiles a flipping football puntid on what, ITV2/3/4. Get a grip of your "mate" who is a Spurs fan and shake him until he starts talking sense. Or, if I suspect, you are making this crap up yourself then you should seek help.
Celtic and the manky mob might indeed survive in the English League but they will NEED to start at the bottom, if not its a double standard we expect to avoid. Chuckles Green came in on his Whyte horse (you like that?) and saved what is now known as TRFC. He is all bleeting about politics and everyone hates his lot, whilest this is true, the rules were followed. It was a new team in the game so were not guarenteed acceptance in the strongest league so were asked to vote, they lost.
Lets look at this. CFC (forget the other lot) ask to join the English league. They say yeah. So the teams in the current EPL will just say "yeah, come in". We will need to get in without league reconstruction so that will mean a SPACE for Celtic to occupy. Where does that come from? Do we just bin the 16th place at the season end? (as the bottom 3 were relegated). Do we ask one of the Championship 3 who EARN promotion to stand aside for us? Have a word.
They will ask if anyone wants a new team and if so, put it to a vote. We will no doubt be voted into a lower, much lower league. It would take c10 years to get to the EPL. We will lose lots of revenue for missing Europe.
Thats my take on it as a business man but CFC is big enough to hatch a plan. SB
The only way this will happen is when the epl runs out of of money which may be a while yet.
and the only reason it hasn't happened already is because english teams don't want us taken there place in the league and the money from the league, all the teams that get relegated will take us to court, if we get into the champions league or even win the league the team that misses out will take us to court.
in short it doesn't benefit anyone but us so until that changes it won't happen
I think in 2 years we will be close to joining the epl or some other league, yes we are Scottish club and the history will always be that being we came from spl however as times change so must the club. In the sense that we must look at. Eweagues to join or we will be left behind and maybe end up like the rangers in time as the money in spl is not there so we must find new big money league in order to stay and be a big club in Europe and to keep the club going.
We are debt free and I think we are going to be saving most of the cl money and others for when we do move on for then we would be one of the few if not the only club debt free with extra money in the bank and we could spend big time in order to get the big players to come to us to challenge and to win our way up to epl or wtv league. If its epl the. I think we might start in the championship and not the lower tier as we are a cl club and a club with a global fan base, so I think the time to leave is around the corner and we are in a great position to make a huge impact with no debt, I just hope its sooner then later for we could tell wanyama hooper and big ff to stay as we are moving to a better league to have them stay, an dk would hope the spl would stay around and prosper
I'm sick to death of this epl crap. I don't want my hoops in England, they must stay in Scotland, Please stop the epl chat I is doing my head in. Fran
22 Feb 2013 21:59:44
I have no interest in Celtic playing in an English league. I will not travel down there every second weekend as I'm not made of money! We're a Scottish club. We stay in Scotland. Bloody hate hearing fellow celtic fans spouting this crap. They sound like deluded orcs
kisy
I posted yesterday on this subject. clearly by looking at it my post hasn't been accepted by ED, must of had too much truth in it {Ed007's Note - No you didn't, your last post was on Thursday about James Forrest and calling fans fickle. The majority of anonymous posts do get deleted because nobody is really that interested in anonymous opinions, but you are just telling a bare face lie. I can easily check what people have sent in, even when they don't have the common decency to leave a name.}
22 Feb 2013 00:30:16
Just seen on tv sport ther that liverpool r going 2 send scouts up 2 watch ambrose and just wondering if we get a half decent offer in the summer would yous take it? Personally I would
I would like to keep him for a bit, funny how playing one year for us gets epl eyes on you to go there but yet they say spl has no good players. Saw the price bein talked abou is 6 mill which is 3 times what we paid, so good money for the board but we can't keep selling people right when thier in the door unless it means keeping wanyama hooper or big ff
No way we could turn 6m down for efe if that was the price
gunniebhoy
We paid 1.1 million for Ambrose from Ashdod not 2 million so selling him for 6 million would be a massive profit in such a short time. I would sell him at that price.
They obviously see great ability in him and think they work the kinks out his game. To be honest, if you take away the rash, impatient attempts to get the ball and the fannying about on the ball when there's no one behind him to cover he would look top class. He has all the attributes to be a quality defender. I think he could be more aggressive and not get nudged off the ball as much aswell.
Barry the janny
bite the hand at £6m and wish the bhoy good luck. although I would really like THIS team together for a year or 2, but what we are a selling club now and that's a great profit
Of course £6m would be good business, but it could mean Wanyama, Hooper, Forster and Ambrose all leaving in the summer - plus any others that attract bids - plus deadwood.
The problem then is maintaining a team capable of CL and dominating at home.
NL has stated his desire to build a settled young side that will grow in stature and ability while he is manager, but if we sell half a team in the summer; what guarantees do we have of signing top players to carry the mantle?
Jungle Jim
I wouldn't sell him, no way. He's only going to get better, and when he does we can demand more money.
Quack
Who thinks these are achievable values for our squad
Big Lurch £7m
Adam Matthews £4m
Izzy £5m
The porn star £5m
Effe £5m
Stroller Wilson £3m
Rogne £2m
Mulgrew £3m
Broony £5m (I know the injury might be a problem)
Ledley £4m
Commons £3m
Kayal £5-6m
Rogic £1m
Forrest £5m
Paddy three stella and 20 club
Victor £12m
Dylan £2m
Hoops £8
Sami £4
Stokes £2m
Lassad £1.5m
By my reckoning that is nearly £80m and I think some of these values are a bit conservative, we need 60th a week at Parkhead and some more revenue on top of that to support the brllian team that are managing our club so well! Hail Hail!
Whos the porn star?
Hobbybhoy
Take it the Porn Star is Lustig. £5m are you having a laugh. £5m for Brown £5-6m for Kayal. £4m for Ledley who is by far apart from Wanyama our best midfielder. £2m for Rogne. I would love your valuations to come true but honestly just can't see it. DH
Im with quack on this one ambrose if we can keep him will I have no doubt! will turn out to be a highly rated player and thus will have a better resale value a win win situation for us. I keep reading posts mainly bout selling players. Where are all your aspirations if we want to be considered as a big name player we will have to keep some of our highly rated players to build as big a team as we possibly can to compete with europes elite. maybe it sounds like this last 16 thing is going to my head but as a life long supporter give us more! GMcC
I think these values are quiet reserved, Broony is our clu captain we paid 4m when he was nowt but a pup
I think its interesting what celtic have developed here. if any of the current crop go on to be successful in england or anywhere else, it will really enhance this project. buying duds has proved very costly in high wage leagues and celtic giving players a chance at the top level is what is swinging the interest. the more competition to buy these players the higher the fees and the club will go from strength to strength. our club is at a very exciting time and I congratulate all who have brought us here. hail hail indeed.