Celtic Rumours Archive August 16 2012

16 Aug 2012 23:01:43
Since the events of feb 14, i have heard and read some sanctimonious claptrap from broadcast and print sports reporters.But to have a debate on the National TV station,The rangers media partners lets not forget,is utterly incredible.I think when this commercial tie in with The rangers was announced we all realised objectivity might be a rare trait at STV.Sadly it seems we might be seeing the fledgling beginnings of a new succulent lamb culture.From the camera capturing Charlie's "state of the queue address",to the spin to make this some kind of anti rangers agenda,we are now entering a very dangerous area.It was only a few months ago McCoist roused some fans of The rangers to make threats against a disciplinary panel,and weeks ago Reagan had to be advised by police after receiving threats. Nutters dont need an excuse. What no one has addressed is the fact that Black,as a hearts player,was despised countrywide.Nothing to do with The rangers,more to do with the fact he was a sleekit,late tackler who put players careers on hold,sometimes for months.Jelavic anyone? My other problem concerns Levein.In my opinion Black is not an International player,never was or will be.Levein claimed he was in as cover and is well down the list.So why even put him on the pitch?there were other subs there.Was it to appease fans and management of The rangers?Maybe.He did make an enormous gaffe with his comments regarding Lee Wallace,who i think should have played,as three games in div three does not cancel out his international credentials,he is still a player.Or was it to give him a cap after his long journey from....err Edinburgh...........green jhedi

GJ I've been doing more than a bit of head scratching over the last few days over this Ian Black farse. Sleekit is a good way to describe him, a little nip in the mould of Dennis Wise who I think he reminds me of a lot. He was an important player for Hearts and if you ask any hearts fans they will tell you he was central to any good results they had last season. Explain to me then why he never got even close to a mention in regards to a call up from Craig Levein then, but now after 3 very average performances for The Rangers against 3rd division opposition he gets a call up. It's stinks to the high heavens mate. And while I'm talking about the fife mourinho we move on to Charlie Mulgrew who also never got a sniff at Aberdeen or when he returned to Celtic as a left back, clearly not good enough as a left back then for Scotland. We all know what happened next and the prodigal son got SPL player of the year. Now the best central defender at Celtic and arguably the most consistent player in the country he has gained international recognition under Levein. So where does he play him everytime he puts him in.....Left Back. Holy F*CK is it me that's going daft or what? I mean come on!

I agree about Wallace he's a good player, but he's made a backpass by staying atW the shame. His development can only go backwards playing at the level he's subjected to now. He's 25 so will be 28 before he's playing top level football again. Silly boy

Get a bit of reality here. Who cares if he gets a game for Scotland.

Black is terrible, Scotland are terrible.

Can we not focus on Celtic, instead of The Rangers and their players...

They are dead, let's not discuss them. Especially when it has fu(k all to do with the Champions.
LINNIE88

Good post from you both - Keep up the good work lads!

1000% in agreement....Black is a little rat and crap at fitba...and the press where do you start? hailhail jimthetim....

Och aye #1 and Celtic are playing at a top level?
Is there really that much of a difference in a league that can potentially be won by thirty odd points or even by November? Give us a break...top level!
Only half decent side in SPL are Dundee Utd but they are far too inconsistent. Motherwell had a brilliant season last year,but still finished well behind Rangers despite the ten point deduction. Hearts and Kilmarnock are never going to win anything unless they get you's in the cup final's again lol. What about the rest?
Aerdeen,Dundee,Hibs,Ross County, St Mirren. Aye top level right enough.
Let's see how many of your "Top flight" players are still at CP in one or two seasons time.
P.O.B.

Who is this Sevconian above? Away back to your own page and stop creeping the champions forum! Celtic will be the champions for the next ten years with many more 'top flight' players!

Hail Hail

Ps love the bitterness and jealousy of that mob!

P.O.B.YOUR A ****,murrays 9 in a row,bet u effin loved it ,built on paper,and with the LEGENDS,GAZZA,LAUDRUP,BUTCHER,GOUGH,STEVENS,STEVEN,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC,FLO,ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC.ALL THE BILLIONS AND YOU DONE EFF ALL GEE OUR FITBA A RID FACE,THEN CHEAT HONEST HARD WORKING PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY,AND ALL YOU ****S STILL DONT GET IT

I wouldn't say succulent lamb they might be throwing a bit of chop pork now and then but it will be a long long time before they can afford lamb three year is a long time and once the novelty wears off ipox will be a very quite place

16 Aug 2012 22:11:21
Here is what I think will happen. If Celtic qualify for the Champions League, Lennon might sell but will be given funds to sign a centre half and a striker. Think there is still an opportunity to sign Jordan Rhodes because he is a fairly focused lad and he does not want a move to a Premiership club just to warm the bench. On the other hand, if we qualify for the Europa League, Lennon will definitely have to sell and we might sign someone like Johnny Russell from Dundee United.

16 Aug 2012 20:54:53
seemingly the boy finbogason is ready to sign for heerenveen for 600,000 euros this boy is a steal at that price, its a pity as we where supposedly looking at him ,if he does go to them it will make the helsinborgs game a little easier as he is their top scorer,,,deep river bhoy

I read 2 days ago he had all but signed permanently for Helsingborgs but just checked your info and it seems he is on the brink of going to Holland. I agree this will make the tie a wee bit easier as i had my concerns about our defence dealing with him. He looks a good player to me.

16 Aug 2012 20:14:52
I feel the same frustration as the guys below (lack of transfer activity) reading between the lines it looks like we may have transfer targets if we make the champions league group stages, however we know how long it takes Celtic to push a transfer through. Think someone said there is only 2 days left of the window after the Helsingborg game. I'm pretty sure there will be transfer targets identified for our 8 game Europa adventure. These 2 games against Helsingborg will determine how much we we spend during this close season. An example - Rhodes champions league, Russell Europa league. Ian L

Id try to sign rhodes just now, sell ki,stokes, and even izaguirre to get this bhoy in.

Same here, but you know us. Last minute.com. Every penny is a prisoner. Ian L

If we lived by the moto that every penny is a prisoner then why did we pay £2m for Forster and not just get Gordon for free? IMO PL is trying to support NL as much as his budget will allow without putting the club at risk.

JGD

We paid 2m for Forster because that was the fee agreed last summer. Gordon was only approached because Forster was lookin for more money and Celtic didn't want to be left without a No1. Your probably the only guy on here who is happy with the lack of new faces at the club. All we want is Jordan Rhodes & an experienced centre half, not a lot to ask is it.

"All we want is Jordan Rhodes and an experienced CH"

The Rhodes deal in total would cost upwords of 7m ( see Ed007s notes below regards deals ) with regards to an experienced CH......what experiance do you want? Kelvin Wilson is experianced as to is Charlie Mulgrew and so was Masjorovic but noone liked him. So when you say experienced what exactly do you mean?

So is circa 10m to much to ask for? then, IMO, yes.

Yes the money for forster was agreed last sumer but we DIDN't need to complete the deal. I don't see anywhere I have said I am happy about the lack of incommings but I am realistic in what we ( the club ) should be looking for

JGD

Is £10million unrealistic? No.
Sale of Ki and entry to group stages of CL will leave us with about £8-9 million in my estimations, that would also clear the debt. Improved team, who knows how far we could go this year. Even if we didn't get past group stage we parachute into Europa. Next season, CL group again with sale of another player and large pot of money in again. I'm no high flying financial businessman mate but it's not rocket science. Stop believing the "we can't or shldnt spend" brigade. Yes we shld n by the time that other mob make it back we'll b on a different planet. Stevo Dundee

Rhodes played in League 1 last year. I don't think he is ready for Champions league.

Well said Stevo Dundee. I don't think 10 million is too much either. If we want to do anything in Europe then we have to take some some risks. If things don't go well, we still have plenty of players how we could sell

Rhodes played in league 1 last season ? and yer point being ? did Hooper not come from league 1 ? PL should sell ki,stokes,murphy and mccourt not only will we get a few million but also free up some wages, is 6m to much for Rhodes ? in my opinion NO.
If he comes to Celtic and has a good few years, then what do you think his re-sale value will be ? we are still gauranteed europa league money if we somehow manage to fall at the hands of Helsingborg (which would be another embarasment in europe). PL wants us top pay the same amount for our ST even without newco, and then will hope the fans are happy yet again with fringe players bought on the last day of the transfer window. KEVSPR

16 Aug 2012 18:03:45
Why is ther no news coming from parkhead getting frustrated now,lawell needs to tell us something,I feel like I'm just giving money and getting nothing back! I got bumped on my season ticket and won't receive a penny back now iv dug into my pockets again for Helsingborg game, I would love o see Rhodes at Celtic but the silence is deafening....just looking for answers guys anyone help?

I agree 100% for the last few seasons we have been taken fro granted by the board, promises of blue chip signings replacement for henke/lubo. Taken for mugs every season its time big peter spoke to the fans not the shareholders(big money men) but joe soap who spends £500 on a season ticket and extra for cup games ect, merchandise,food, program's, we have shifted at least £80k a week from our wage bill and looks like Ki is off and maybe one or 2 others. Do the rite thing Celtic release the cash for a center half or 2 and a striker(rhodes) no more bangura , ra man ,murphy .

These posts should be sent to Peter Lawell and he should understand without champions league there is not a lot of compitition this year and the fans will drift away. we need to be playing at the top table and we need to spend to do that or we will find fewer customers buying in future with any product you have improve year on year or people go elsewhere. Quality rather than quanity

Celtic will wait till they find out if they make the champions league first before they spend a penny first,by which time we will have a couple of days to get players in.not good enough mr lawell

Sent to peter to put in the Bin, Im really thinking of finishing with my season Book, the last few seasons ive not been working and struggling but still have kept my book, Also fed up with the pish that we get fed by lawell, we tried at the last minute, this is what is going to happen this season, if we get put out of the CL we will sigh no one, if we get to the EL it will be we tried but it was too late, SPEND THE FECKING MONEY NOW CELTIC, the way we pay for our season books

Lawell just interested in us scraping by has done for years and the penny pinching has cost us several titles, its shocking we could be playing ross county and maybe in europe with no fit strikers available and the transfer windows still open, all about his bonuses always has been.jonbhoy

I'm getting annoyed with it aswell. It's gotten to the stage where we aren't even being linked with players any more! I miss the bullsh*t articles saying we are signing every player under the sun, at least there was some gossip then haha!

I can partially see why this is happening due to newco etc. the one thing i don't like is at the end of the year Lennon stated we will ship out a few bodies, certainly more than we bring in, but we will add 3 maybe 4 quality players !!

Well Mr Lennon and of course Mr Lawell we do appreciate everything you have done and are doing but word of warning ..... Don't treat us with contempt, lies and misleading statements. Get Rhodes and a centre half in or come out and tell us straight we're not signing anyone

Gary

Johbhoy again nail on the head. Lawell is a tit and thinks nothing of the fans who put their hard earned cash into the club, Is Lenny a yes man ? does Lawell pick and buy the players ? john88

I tell you what, next time you hear Lawell promising 'two or three quality signings' just as season tickets go on sale, have a wee think about his motives. Not that i'm suggesting you shouldn't renew your tickets, just take the 'quality signings' malarky with a pinch of salt.

I think we have signings already set up but will not be signed until we know if we are in the champions league or Europa league.

Lawell a tit Lennon a yes man ?.Lawell is the best thing to happen to Celtic for year's,Lenny won us the league and your talking about them like that. I know who the tit is, think you should look in the mirror mate.
Tambhoy (original )

I can understand all your frustrations, but take a look over the river and have a look at what spending too much does to a club. PL takes care of the business side, if waiting for CL qualification is what is required, then he is doing his job right. And all this nonsence about season books, i'll gladly swap my Setanta subscription (that comes without any pre-match/half-time commentary) for your season book. I wish Celtic were in my backyard, i wouldn't be complaining.

Melb Bhoy

Unbelieve comments here guys, cmon get real. We can only spend what we generate and like it or not we have less cah due to Sevco's demise. Look what happened to them when they spend money chasing a dream. I trust Lawell 100% and I firmly believe me will sign what we need with any money we have. C'mon guys, what are you wanting? A David Murray character where we end up with no team at all? Lawell is the best thing to ever happened to Celtic so be careful what you wish for. This guy could have jumped ship to Arsenal for more money but he stayed because he is one of us. Lennon a yes man, aye right! ..........martyc1888

I'm behind totally PL,he has celtic at heart and in his blood and in Lennon i trust! 100%! Hail hail!

smilerbhoy

The fans speak,we are fed up with PLs "deal couldn't be done in time " crap ,who the hell signed Bangura and why? .We want 2 quality signings no more excuses!

16 Aug 2012 15:31:22
See lots of posts about signing Henrickson. I watched a few games he was involved in lately,and if im honest he was not the stand out i was expecting.Good potential,but better than Victor,Ledley,Kayal or Brown?Lenny started this buying youth policy and,so far,it seems to be working well.It makes no sense to stockpile players while we have our own young players who are shining.McGeough im certain will make the grade in a Celtic shirt,i also have high hopes for young Frazer and Twardzik,but these boys need to get game time.We seem to be very well placed for youngsters at the moment,lets not buy for the sake of buying as it is counter productive.We also need to be mindful of the new fair play rules shortly.Rhodes would do me fine,i would be happy with a centre back as well,but if not we have the potential in the youngsters to save a fortune.In Lenny we trust is not just a sound bite............green jhedi

Don't think we need a central midfielder unless Ki leaves. Crying out for an experienced CB though. When i mean experienced, i don't mean played a few seasons in the English Championship either.

Getting a bit like watching the same movie every week the side need freshened up no more players who go sideways we need goals and end to end football its getting like strachens football .i miss tommy burns

Strachans football last 16 of the champion's league St Martin could not do that and Strachan did not get the money Martin got.Credit where it's due mate the wee man did ok for us.BTW i miss Tommy too.
Tambhoy ( original )

16 Aug 2012 13:39:41
hi ed , just wondering if you have idea if NLwill getall the budget to spend on players IF we sell ki or anybody else .. any thoughts ed .. barry the janny {Ed007's Note - I wouldn't think so. Supporters are far too hung up on the transfer fee paid rather than the quality of the players. The transfer fee is only a part of the financial package, there is VAT, agents fees, administration fees and a signing on fee all to be added to the price paid to the selling club. A player bought for £2.5 million will actually cost the buying club about £4 million before the player has even kicked a ball for his new club.}

People are too hung up on transfer fee. Apparently the more we spend, the better player we will get.

So going by that arguement...

Rafael Scheidt
Marc-Antoine Fortune
and Scott Brown

are better than

Lubomir Moravcik
Henrik Larsson
and Bobo Balde

The top 3 were bought for £13 million or thereabouts

and the bottom 3 were bought for

£980,000

What would you rather have.....i know what i would chose, and its not the £13 million worth

Samson

Flip side Samson

Majstorovic
Kelvin Wilson
Daryl Murphy

Cost 1.3m

Or

Hartson
Valgaeren
Hinkel
cost 12.5 m. I know which I would choose.

I am NOT saying spending more guarantees a better standard of player here, my point here mainly is that it's experience in defence and attack we're needing. I think we all agree on this.

The three players I mention commanded higher fees as they were proven in domestic leagues,national competitions or both.

We have assembled a squad which on certain days has less than 3m spent in total on our starting 11, on less than 6m in wages collectively over a year. They told us the squad as a whole was a major drain on finances- I think around 4m a season has been shaved off of this with those who have left.

There is no excuse for the board not spending to enhance our squad, I mean even when Lloyds ran the dead mob they outspent us in each window. 5M for two players won't cripple us, this belief that we can't is totally false.

Two bloody players with wily matter between the ears is all we're looking for, at least try.

Bare in mind I said money doesn't guarantee anything and then think realistically about the amount we should spend, 5m. Easily recouped if it doesn't work out.

Jamie Mac(frustrated)

I agree with your point, but you can't cherry pick three special players/bargains and compare them with two (not inc. Brown) high profile 'flops'.

I could easily counter by saying, who would you rather:

Lennon
Hartson
Sutton

or

Telfer
Wright
Murphy

One lot cost 18million+, the other cost under 2mill.

I know what I would chose, and it is the 18million+!

The Patient

Also, the way some people think on the site, if Messi was on a free, and Jordan Rhodes was 10 million, they'd want Rhodes, because it means we would be spending money

Samson

That post with Messi, is the 2nd part of a post Ed. sent the 1st bit about 2 mins before it

samson {Ed007's Note - That should have came up Samson. You just can't get the help these days!! :-)

I understand what you are saying, but what I am getting at, is you dont have to spend money to get quality. We have the boy McGeough in midfield. why not try him, instead of signing Henriksen. who's to say that, just because Henriksen comes with a fee, he will be better? Even players that were proven internationals have flopped. Majstorovic, El Kaddouri, Gravesen(to an extent), Juninho to name a few.

Samson

So we do nothing then Samson and hope our youngsters are quality? With all the best will in the world this won't happen as the young ones need guidance and tutelage from on the park almost as much as they do on the training pitch.

We NEED to get the correct players in to HELP the current squad members not hinder them.

Centre half in that knows the game and we will conceded less making it easier to win, striker in who'll give us more options and can score- we'll score more therefore it'll again be easier to win games.

Youngsters improve more in better company so again it's another tick against the long term investment policy if you like.

JamieMac(it's the truth)

16 Aug 2012 11:00:38
I know he's not the type of forward we need but what about Ross McCormack I would rather have him than bangura but I'm not sure if he's just moved clubs heard some talk about him moving for penny's what does every one thing ?

Not sure if he has defo moved yet but the money being mentioned isn't pennies either!
Decent enough striker tho

Bigbadjohn

400 grand is na much think Cardiff placed a bid of that in jan or Leeds did not sure what one He plays for

Far cleverer and much more thoughtful player than Stokes I would say, if the price mentioned before is true I'd have him. Sammy will play left mid as far as possible leaving Stokes Hooper,bangdud and dreadful Daryl.

If no one comes in we could be in for a frustrating season

Jamie Mac

He's at Leeds. Signed from Cardiff for 350-400k. Good business from Leeds and he scored 19 goals for them last season.

Think we were linked with him a couple of times before? Bangura, Murphy and Stokes out - McCormick and Rhodes in?
Am just thinking out loud....

JJ

16 Aug 2012 00:37:39
i know this is a celtic rumours site but best of luck to fabrice muamba

Yes it's a shame his career has come to an end,wish him and his family all the best. Maybe Owney could give a coaching role.
Tambhoy ( original )

Would he even be capable of coaching? I hope theres a position somewhere at a football club for him though.

GIRUY to the pond life who pressed the disagree button........DH