Celtic Rumours Archive December 12 2012

12 Dec 2012 22:23:21
Christ its started already , after Barca and Spartak wins the team were brilliant - now after a struggle Sammy is rubbish , Lustig aint a footballer. Lets not forget that we have had 6 really tough CL games that our team is not used too and that team tonight the last thing they wanted was a game on an ice rink. We got a win , a clean sheet and are in the next round of yet another competition.

A win is a win regardless of whether its 1 nil or 5 nil or whether its Arbroath or Barcelona.

Well said mate,to many moaning tims out there.

Dont think its the moaning tims that are the problem I think its the blind ones and those constantly making excuses for shocking displays against so called lesser teams.

Couldnt agree more fella.

Fellow Bhoys shut yer moaning and enjoy the ride.... its true to be a bumpy one!

Sella77

Spot on OP,as for the no name second reply I think there are bears trying to stir on here

Dannybhoy

Bottom-line. Celtic were victorious.

Quack

The response from no name isn't from a bear trying to stir it , it's just the truth from somebody that has and always will follow Celtic .I for one don't want to go back to singing "always look on the bright side of life",I want to see a Celtic team that goes from strength to strength and after all the money that has been generated I want to see NL get the transfer fund he deserves in order to make a signing that will put bums on seats.

12 Dec 2012 21:00:57
2nd half 60mins into it. I think it's safe to say that Beram Kayal is not an attacking midfielder. Such a heavy touch!

Ontario Bhoy.

12 Dec 2012 22:01:00
beram is lacking match sharpness he will come good by time euro action starts again, though i agree he was posted missing for an hour against spartak aswell, ive no doubt he has quality.

I thought Kayal had an excellent game tonight. Celtic's MOTM in my opinion. Yes his final ball tended to be a bit heavy but as for beating players and driving towards the Arbroath defence Kayal really had a good game.

I wouldn't say he was MoM. I was just mentioning that he was attacking a lot tonight and looked completely out of sorts in that position. He is normally more defensive than that and I find excel at that position. I'm sure he'll come good when it counts.

Ontario Bhoy

I thought each half only lasted 45 mins. Did you not see the state of the pitch last night. Kayal is the only centre mid we have who can put his foot on the ball and play passes.

He's a good player just needs more game time to improve his sharpness imho.

Quick little math question for you. Would you say that you're in the 60th minute of a match or 2nd half at 15 minutes? Idiot.

It's actualy arithmetic not maths you plum. You didn't say 60th minute of a match, see above, you said "2nd half 60 mins into it." I would have said 15 mins into the second half.

I was trying to inject a bit of humour into the post, but then again if you live in Canada that will have bypassed you. Is it Canada or is it America? I never was too good at history.

That was hilarious! I am sure that you meant Geography regarding countries, or is that a Canadian thing too? I am on this site very day to talk about Celtic, not to get smart ass remarks from someone who can't spell "actually". End of discussion. Back to game analysis and transfer rumours.

12 Dec 2012 20:41:41
Why is that eejit david tanner(SS)sniggering when he said
"mathews 2nd career goal" hes a very young player (rb) what a twit,.,.kbarry

12 Dec 2012 21:18:16
is fraser forster not a frustrating keeper he is a good shot stopper but for a guy of his height he should be commanding his box more he always looks shaky when coming for crosses i think this is something lenny is going to have to work on and as for the perfomance tonight it was shoddy and at times they looked as if they thought it was to easy and taking the win for granted. so so disrespectful to arbroath.

Whats this gotta do with my original post?
,.,.kbarry

An bytheway NO forsters our best keeper by far for decades,.,.kbarry

Wee david would rather be watching his real team sevcoa twisted bitter wee man

David tanner jim white rob mclean or anyone else on tv who are not celtic
fans will always be negative on anything celtic. we know thats the way its going to be,that dosen,t bother me,what does is the ex celtic players who wont be complimentary towards us provan ,walker burley ,now packie bonnar is at it are they afraid to lose there cushy wee number on tv, i feel so bitter towards these guys.jimbhoy

12 Dec 2012 18:28:38
Derek Johnstone on clyde! When did this happen? A failed phone in host on a defunct show,the clamour to help ex gers is unrelenting in this country. green jhedi

I agree.

As much as there are 'Celtic minded' (hate the term) people on the panel- Andy Walker and Jim Duffy to name two- I find them (for the most part) fairly straight down the line. DJ on the other hand is there first and foremost as a Rangers fan- and all he does if defend them.

He really bugged me the other night when he told a caller to "try and tell the 50'000 Rangers fans at Ibrox on Sunday that they were an old club"- the logic, or lack thereof in this staggers me. By his own standards, if we have 60'000 Celtic fans singing that they are a new club- it makes it right.

As well as this, someone raised the point that Charles Green admitted that if a CVA was rejected, the Club's timeline would be broken- even going as far to actually quote Green- and was told by DJ, yeah but that was at a time when we didn't really know that much about liquidation, and now we know more! Unbelievable!

I've a good mind to call and ask if another Radio station hosts a call in show called 'Real Radio Phone in'- would it be the same one that he previously worked at? Or is it just a husk of a name being exploited by a different company?

The Patient

PS

On the question of do Rangers keep their history- I think people mistake the word history for Timeline. Yes old Rangers keep their history (both good and bad) but this Rangers CAN'T add to it. It's a timeline question- not a history question.

The whole show is filled with the defunct club sympathisers who never seem to give a negative comment on them

He came back a few weeks ago and he's still a tit! What irks me is the lack of ex celtic players on clyde we have ex zombie players like Dalziel,Johnstone, Wishart,Gus McPherson and McCall(prob missed a few) then you have zombie 'journos' like Spiers, King and Hannah. Then we have the token 'tim' Walker, who when you listen to him sounds like one of them. Radio scotland is just as bad.

Dalziel is the worst on the show and johnstone aint far behind.dont mind a rangers fan on a show if he knows what hes talking about like ray wilkins but not these 2 jokers

They've clearly decided to become a zombie station for zombie ears. Don't tune in.

As I've said before Fat Boy is a bigot he has never tipped Celtic to win an old firm game on radio in his life . He is embarrassing he said Jock Stein came to his house and tried to sign him for Celtic . Utter nonsense and damned lies is what he trades in ......DH

I refuse to listen to Snyde even before Buffoon Johnstone was resurrected on it. Radio Scotland is much better.

Big DJ is a uninformed. dim bigot who unfortunetely reflects the pals acts that pollute our media outlets

12 Dec 2012 00:10:17
I heard from a reliable source that Arsenal want Wanyama and have offered £11m with Aaron Ramsey coming to Celtic on loan. Celtic haven't agreed to anything as of yet as they expect a counter bid from Chelsea. Man Utd so far haven't enquired but have had him watched.

12 Dec 2012 01:36:36
No chance Ramsey is coming to us. He is an important first team player for Arsenal.

I'd rather have van Persie.
Anyway I think Victor is very happy at Celtic at moment and we don't need the money.

25 million + that's how much we say he is available for so EPL teams thinking any offer but that they can get f****d but I think we may keep him for 1 more year unless one of the top 5 EPL teams get giddy in jan and just offer us stupid man city money

Cue the van persie man utd posts.....

Reliable source? Then give me a full on quote n I'll believe it, otherwise stop posting untrue rumours n support the team, anyways wanyama is twice is good as Ramsey and we have a better midfield than them so they can start the bidding at 25m since the gaffer declared it, gbnl

Wanyamas inclusion in the Celtic team turns the team from a good team into to a very good team. How much is that worth? I believe Celtic will sell Wanyam but Celtic will only sell to a top club and Arsenal are probably not a top club ATM. The fee will exceed 15M in my opinion and I am ever hopeful Vic stays with us for a year or two more by extending his contract which will push the cost up even further. The huge money which is given to English clubs meanS that they have to pay a lot of money for players.They along with Sky and the other top football nations created a ridiculous market so they cannot complain when the monster they created bites them in terms of the fees demanded by other clubs outwith their cosy monopoly. They hate paying top dollar to teams outside the arrangement because that ultimately erodes their position inside the cartel. Celtic are a unique club and as we are now seriously posing a threat I think we may be invited to the party where we can be properly controlled by the TV companies. What's the saying about tents and piss? Sopot Celt

I think many fans over rate our midfiel thy are very good on paper and wanyama is going to be one of the best CM/DM over the next 10 years but we lack pace and a crateive spark in there we struggled with possesion in a large amount of our games in the champions league this term which makes the achievement of getting through that much better but if we are going to make the step up of playing regurly and getting to the last 16 we need to start to retain the ball better as teams cant score if they dont have the ball. so limit them to their chances as musch as possible.
Donegal Bhoy

12 Dec 2012 12:05:44
what is it with you lot no club in the world is going to pay 25 million quid for a spl player no matter how good they have looked. think you will get 10 at most. think to many of you have been eating your xmas pudding a bit early.

12 Dec 2012 12:18:03
Wanyama isnt just 'an SPL player'....he is a champions league player, and a damn fine one at that. away back to your wee teams page if you have nothing better than that to contribute to your big teams page

Mikey Bhoy

12 Dec 2012 12:32:39
wanyama has played well in the champions league i give him that but your dreaming if you think your going to get 25 million quid why don't you come up with realistic values. next you will be saying he is the best player in the world. players have left scotland having done well in the spl and in europe and they have flopped down south. you just need to be realistic in your valuations of your players. also for your information i am not a celtic or a rangers fan so you can take that remark back.


wanyama is a good promising youngster but not worth 25 million no way. hooper is a good striker and is worth about 8 maybe 9 million but no more.

£11 million? Yeah we'll take that, as that is what it's gonna cost to take him on a year long loan with NO clause to buy permanently.

Strange how expert some so called non Rangers fans are on the subject of players values. What about players who have come up to the SPL and flopped ? Tore Andre Flo for example ! Victor is a class act who will continue to improve, hopefully he will stay for another year at least.

12 Dec 2012 17:58:49
He is the best player in the world.

And I'll decide if and when I take any remarks back and don't think I will be this time as I don't believe you don't support Celtic or the rangers, I have a strong suspicion you support both in fact.

Mikey Bhoy

To be fair, Tore Andre Flo didn't flop. He had a very good scoring record for them- the problem was that they paid WAY over the odds for him, and short of him winning the champions league for them, it was never going to work out. Although it should be said that Rangers did get back over 8million approx when they moved him on, so at 4 million quid, it wasn't as bad as people suggested at the time, and continue to suggest.

In regards to Wanyama, if we get offered over ten million, I think it will be accepted. I'm not agreeing with it, and I hope I'm wrong, but that's what my head says. If we get twenty/twenty five million for Hooper and Wanyama, that's nearly twenty two million quid profit, on what has already being a financially profitable (and then some!) year- and I'd trust JP to find another couple of players, and perhaps a 2/3/4 million pound playmaker.

Also, there was talk about who we should sign in Jan etc- I would take Billy McKay in a second. In the SPL, he would do very well for us- looks a real bright spark for ICT. Would allow us to move on Stokes- whom I rate btw- and think about a replacement for Hooper.

The Patient

Butcher didn't flop, nor did most of that great team, but it'll be a long while until we see their likes again in a Rangers shirt, Celtic are up there now so enjoy it.

Arsenal scout will be at the game tonight to watch Wanyama.I think they are wasting their time as once the bidding starts they will soon be priced out.IMO the price will be £15m in the summer.

Jungle Bhoy.

Mikey bhoy get a grip you fruitcake i don't support any of them okay your a dreamer best player in the world lets see what midfielders to name just some who are better xavi iniesta pirlo fabregas wilshere bale yaya toure arteta need i go on. he is a good player but he is not worth anywhere near 25 million so get a grip okay.

you will get roughly 17 million pounds for wanyama and hooper put together. {Ed007's Note - Players are worth what another team will pay for them. Was Andy Carroll worth £35 million?}

12 Dec 2012 20:42:44
yeah ed and look how he flopped i aint trying to argue with people on here but you have to be realistic there is dreaming of getting 25 million for wanyama i am sure you know that celtic will probably get half this for him. if they manage to get more then so be it but i am sure most celtic fans will agree this is what they will get around about the 10 million mark. this is not a personal crusade against wanyama i am just sick of players being overvalued. the bigger point should be uefa should bring in capping transfer fees so that the bigger clubs advantages over the smaller clubs is reduced and wage capping as well it wont happen but it should. {Ed007's Note - I said before about Wanyama that I would love to see Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and some European big spenders get involved in a bidding war for him, who knows where the price would settle.
He is obviously one of the best young players in Europe right now and the interest in him reflects that, clubs will pay big bucks for potential.
If, and it's a big IF, the FFP regs are enforced correctly then things will be a lot fairer, at least then clubs can only spend what they earn.}

12 Dec 2012 20:46:04
Haha still trying to say you're not sevconian after that rant? If you say something ridiculous like 'next you'll be saying hes the best in the world' then obviously thats what the next post is going to be. Also exhibit 2 is that you just happen to add in Arteta who is nowhere near one of the best in England, never mind the world....yet i'm the fruitcake?

Mikey Bhoy

Ahah my sides are splitting , did i just read Arteta and one of the best midfielders in the world on the same line.

Facts are Wanyama has shown in both games against Barca that he can cope at that level, that level being a step above the EPL.

How did Man Utd midfield cope way Barca , ah thats right they didnt. Apart from Ramires how did the Chelsea midfield cope - mmm if i remember right they had 10 defenders for the majority of both ties ( and yes , so did Celtic in both our games but we play on a shoe string budget - so its acceptable )

Wanyama is too good for the EPL , the most overated league in the world. He should play for Barca , Real or even Bayer or Borrussia Dortmund if we ever get an acceptable double figure multi million pound bid.

Don't see us getting more than 12m for him to be honest, some add ons may increase that

13 Dec 2012 08:47:23
where did i write best players in the world i said he is better than wanyama stop overyhping your players because they have played a few decent champions league games because i am sure i can pick out some games where he has been awful the fact is he is not a 25 million pound player and the sooner you wake up and realise this the better okay maybe if he leaves and goes to the epl or something and does well we can start talking about these figures. the best you can hope for is 12 million and hope that lawell is brainy enough to put in a 10 or 15 percent sell on clause.