Celtic Rumours Archive April 11 2012

11 Apr 2012 23:14:23
Ed if the tax case goes against rangers and they are liquidated before the spl vote on the new proposals,would this mean rangers would be excluded from voting and what would the vote split need to be to allow the new proposals to fail.
My personal opinion is any club that are liquidated and want to come back as a newco they should have to start at the bottom and work their way up to the top league. Anything other than this makes a mockery of all the other clubs in the SFL trying to get to the top league. The SPL seem to think they can change the rules whenever it suits them. Remember in the past they have prevented teams from being promoted after having earned it legitimatly over a season because their ground didn't hold 10,000 fans even though their ground was deemed fit by the SFA and SFL. Now would be a perfect time for all the other clubs within the SPL to resign from the league, invite the better run clubs from the SFL and apply to uefa for permission to start a new professionaly run league without the old boys network who think they can do as they wish. I'm sure with all thes scandal already out there and with what has still to be revealed uefa would see this as the perfect way to rid our game of our corrupt association and send a message to all other associations in europe
Jimg73 {Ed007's Note - When I seen that the proposals put forward are all based on an 'out of 12' vote I thought the same thing. TBH Jim I think this is a very strange and murky situation, I think it could have a long way to run yet. }

Dead right - the bawbags who run the game are wriggling on the hook to try any way to keep Rangers in the SPL.

The eleven should definitely resign and apply to start a new league with entirely NEW people running it.

This will all have been thought out carefully, the dates are no coincidence. Rangers will be liquidated on or shortly after 14th May. The SPL will have had assurances from Duff & Phelps that Rangers can continue trading until this date. Remember, D & P had a meeting a few days ago with the SPL which they admit discussed liquidation.

11 Apr 2012 20:36:08
The red card is a statement sayin, rangers dont do payin bills, and don't intend to, Love it, green card at parkhead to say yes to them payin bills?

Jehdi - I think one thing you Tims forget is that Rangers as a club have done nothing wrong, the people who ran the club put us in this mess. The fans are the ones who will suffer most as we already have for the past few months. At the end of the day we are just fans like you that want to support our team. It wasnt the fans who didnt pay tax, remember that

J {Ed007's Note - Don't you think Rangers fans are passing the buck and turning their back on the club by saying it's not their fault but it's all ex and current owners to blame? What happened to supporting and backing your club through thick and thin? I actually think it is hypocritical and a rather pathetic statement. If you want to distance yourself from the problems just refuse to support the club in any form. What happened to RTID, or is it now Rangers When It Suits? I keep saying it, but Rangers fans were warned about this ten years ago by Hugh Adam.}

11 Apr 2012 19:25:41
Im gonna pick up on a point by myself on a thread started by Mrs E.

Listening to SSB (such a llonley life at times) And Hugh is giving it all there is no means to send clubs to the sfl from spl clubs. Well erm relegation. Any team subject to an insolvency event i.e administration/liquidation should automatically be deducted all points gathered which are awarded to the other teams. Now this surley would be an absolute way of putting the frighteners up clubs for running themselves into the mire financially and are then faced with at least 1 season of recovery in the First Division. Followed by a blanket ban on access to europe for 3 years after promotion or winning of a european slot i.e the cup.

Yes there are implications with the TV deal etc, but there is a more important point than money at stake,, sporting integrity!. By essencially cheating your way by living well outwith your means and ending up in a situation the club cannot fix itself in case of admin or worse then only one sporting penalty fits. This of course is just pie in the sky and some sort of dreamland as it will never happen. But i feel worked in a similar way it could be fairer all round even to the club thats effed up their finances as it gives them a chance to redeem themselves with dignity by fighting back to their so called rightful place should that belong in the SPL.

thoughts?

Evinguu

1 point deduction for every 13.4 million pounds of debt (potentially), that really sounds fair!

Maybe Ed can answer this one..Livingston F.C. were 'moved' into the 3rd division about 4yrs ago due to 'A breach of insolvency rules' & owed nowhere near the amount of rangers. They owe what could be in excess of £100million and to me will get away literally 'Scot' free ! Why are they any different and what kind of message does it send out..what's now to stop every other team in the SPL running up millions. I say we bid for Messi or Ronaldo now. Mrs E {Ed007's Note - The Livingston case was under the SFL ruling body Mrs. Plus it is starting to look like their fans didn't sing the right songs to warrant any help.}

Well to me this is blatant corruption and would love to hear the justifed argument that it isn't ! Mrs E

11 Apr 2012 19:07:13
Incase you don't know the Celtic shops are selling Thai Tims Tshirts (kids only),Mugs and Scarves and 100% of the profits go to the Good Child Foundation charity.Hope you can all take a look and maybe purchase a few.

Jungle Bhoy.

11 Apr 2012 18:04:32
Am i the only one that is in shock at the blatant bias towards our friends in the West? Instead of growing a back bone and doing the job they are paid to do, run the Scottish game by enforcing the rules of the game instead of tinkering with them to enable a team to blatantly break the rules and not be dealt with, they were more than happy to sit back and
watch Dundee, Gretna and Livi Motherwell take it on the chin.
Seems we are being hoodwinked into Rangers being allowed to stay in the SPL with 2 years sanctions as long as SKY get their live games
EUFA need to get involved in this gerrymandering and put an end to
this establishments protection of the institution.

I agree. The Italians sorted their league out by relegating some top teams so why can't the SPL/SFA do the same? If they do not take care of this then they have basically killed the integrity of Scottish Football.

The death knell for RFC will kill Scottish football completely, that's the point!
Of course i don't expect Celtic fans to see it this way.
Take away your anti Rangers agenda and what have you got?
Take Rangers out of Scottish football and what have you got?
Answer to both questons is ...Nothing!
Get real bhoys, listen to and observe what your chief executive is saying and doing, instead of grasping at the all too obvious and expected soundbites that you want to hear. PL knows it means the end for Scottish football. So get a grip Bhoys.ffs.
Stevie-A-Bear

Stevie - although i take your points on board I think that if the boot was on the other foot and this was happening to us you would have plenty to say about the SPL tickering with the rules of the game to accomodate our Club. In fact why were the rules not tinkered with back with Fergus saving us. The Establishment were more than happy to sit back and watch.
I think Scottish football will survive and maybe a watershed in our National Sport.
A time to bring forward a more democratic voting system open up the league to more teams playing less games and promoting from within bringing youth through, crowds would come back to the game attendances would increase as teams would have a better chance of silverware than previously under the old firm monopoly, As advised before in a previous note, the Italians, a power house in world football dealt with the issues they had a few years back and put down a marker in the fair play book that corruption will not be tolerated, we should be big enough to do the same, if clubs are having an issue with finances, then ground share, again it is good enough for the italians, bring youth players through and give them time to grow then sell for a profit as they did in the past, why else did all the great english clubs have 3/4 scots in their first team....souness came to scotland with SDM and the whole game changed forever and NOT for the good of the game i might add.

11 Apr 2012 17:13:47
What about trying a cheeky bid for Raul? I believe he's out of contract soon, although he has been offered a new one by Shalke. They don't get much more experienced than this guy and he continues to score regularly too. {Ed007's Note - Raul's wages at Schalke are £100k a week.}

Ed, have you learned nothing from the ongoing saga at Ibrox????

Raul to celtic on those wages = EBT!! lmao

We can sign almost anyone we want!!

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - Good point, go for it. Berbatov is leaving Man Utd as well and we could probably get a deal with them over Izaguirre. Raul and Hooper with Berbatov playing just off them. The only problem Evinguu is that CFC do business the right way, pay their way and don't need to lower ourselves to the levels some have.}

Ah damnit, i knew i missed something in my post there Ed! All this reading up of EBT's etc just momentarily convinced me that its all ok. I had been on the Zombie page for a bitty there, mustve warped my mind. Can happen to the best of us!

Evinguu

Hey let,s cheat for awhile what,s the worst that could happen,feck all thats what,garlar07

100 a week?
Oh. Just saw the k

11 Apr 2012 14:16:46
Scott Brown to Sunderland in swap deal for Craig Gordon {Ed007's Note - I can't see us swapping our captain for a player who is available on a free. It would be very strange but good try.}

Nonsense!!!!!!

Im a sunderland fan and i wish this could happen him and lee cattermole would be brilliant in the centre of our midfield its just he has won everything he needs to win at celtic theres nothing left for him to acheive at Celtic so he should set him self a new challange and come to the best leauge in the world?

......And I heard John Clark (LL & kitman )is being offered as a sweetener in a swap deal with Man City to bring Bollatelli to Paradise.... Oh we are also throwing in Juarez and Glen Loovens and the 15 or so other players who cant get a game at Celtic.

It's not the best league in the world...team for team, la liga is way better. Also, Brown has barely had a sniff at champions league, he'll love leading the team out on rocking European nights at Paradise

Lets continue with the nonsense wee Lionel Messi is looking for a new challenge and is heading to Paradise. See
anyone can write nonsense. CM

CM I was believing all that till u wrote anyone can write nonscence! Getting my hopes up that messi wud be in the hoops next year! Rather disappointed now!

Really? Brown for gordon? Reaally? I will have 2 of whatever he is having please Ed.

Evinguu

11 Apr 2012 13:22:49
"Celtic,like Barcelona are more than a football club.Our clubs are a symbol of a culture and a community thats notalways been made welcome in their own countries" XAVI. makes yer spine tingle!!............green jhedi

Where did you get this from Jhedi? {Ed007's Note - Check this link out:

www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Quotes+-+About+Celtic

Then again he was also quoted saying boogie was good enuf for barca!

The quotes page is fantastic!

Here's my personal favourite quote...

In 2004, Frank Rijkaard dubbed the tactics of then-Celtic manager Martin O'Neill "anti-football", following a 1-1 draw in a Champions League match at the Camp Nou. He said: "I feel sorry for the spectators but Celtic played anti-football. They had two lines of five players. The statistics tell the story; we had about 70% of the possession."[

I was at the barca game on TUES vs getafe and there fans all F@*ked off when it started raining on 61 mins 2-0 up. It was incredible, like a fire alarm had went off. only a wee shower too. stadium wasn't nearly fill either and for an important match to take them within a point before madrid played again. Part timers haha. saw messi miss an open goal with a header aswell thought i was tripping. he scored about 5 mins after unsuprisingly. some stadium though.

11 Apr 2012 11:42:08
Another letter from an MSP to D&P (hey that rymes)

Suprise suprise its from that cesspit i know as Fife(hate that place, i am dundonian, and have lived there, its a real arse backwards place for those that dont know it well lol... nah its not all bad, but where its bad by god its not a pleasant place)

anyways -

www.rangerssupporterstrust.co.uk/rstsite/letters/Letter_from_John_Park_MSP_to_D&P_100412.pdf

Not as well done as the last letter from Murdo Fraser, This one sounds like a desperate plea! apparently from his constituents which knowing Fife wouldnt suprise me. But as a politician if his constituents are asking for him to get involved he should know the answer .... No Politicians in Football!!!

Evinguu

Evinguu, you give these sleazy politicians too much credence, when they write these silly letters they show themselves up for what they really are, do what I do, laugh at them and ignore their silly posturing. Timalloy

Haha i think they are just as sleazy and useless as everyone else. However i will bring up points like this beacuse i feel it is wholly unacceptable! Even if it were us in bother I would not expect this sort of response from an MSP. They are supposed to be above reproach, not to bow down to pressure from constituents in matters where they have no power and should not try to use their position as a backing to an issue that politics has nothing to do with. this is whats irked me here. This is sill posturing as you say. However this silly posturing should never have taken place in the first instance. Nevermind there being more and more MSP's doing the same thing. Doesnt make it OK. The only person I would not mind saying something or writing a letter is the Minister for Sport! no one else in politics should have a say in this matter or seek assurances about certain outcomes that they would like to see happen! Fair enough if they wrote letters in a personal capacity! but they did not, they used their positions in parliament to help their arguement. Its rotten and Its outwith the remit of their political scope.

The only credence i gave murdo fraser is that if he had written that as a true fan, it was a well put point. But a point he should not have been making in his capacity as MSP.

This is what has pissed me off here.

Evinguu

If you go in to John Parks site as an MSP there is a link to enable you to contact him and send messages. I live in Fife an dhave just sent a message tearing a strip of him for supporting tax dodgers and loyal loyal local people who meet all their obligations.

Just sent this to John PArk

Dear Mr Park,

It has come to my attention that you have written to the Administrators of Rangers Football Club urging them not to liquidate the football club. I also notice in the letter you sent that you failed to mention the amount of money that the institution you have fervently backed owe to the taxpayer and small businesses within Scotland.

You did however mention the impact of non payment on a football club within Fife, this money is a mere drop in the ocean compared the what the club owes to the country.

In your capacity as a Scottish Member of Parliament why are you becoming involved in the financial goings on at a company which has blatantly broken the law. I believe that if I failed to pay my taxes I would be taken to court and more than likely would lose everything I own yet you seem to think that this course of action should not happen to Rangers Football Club.

As a member of parliament for Fife why do you feel that you should be concerning yourself with the goings on at a football club outwith your constituency. I am sure you have many Rangers supporters in your constituency but in reality this has nothing to do with you or anybody within the Scottish government. Rangers FC have failed to pay taxes owed and because of this they are in this situation. If they cannot pay what they owe then they should be liquidated, no other choice. Should they be allowed to pay 10p in the pound while continuing to pay players £20k per week, any interesting question, one that I would like to know your opinion on.

I wonder what your opinion would be if they money owed had an immediate impact on the businesses in your community, would you be so concerned about ensuring they continued to function or would you want them liquidated and the businesses reimbursed. In Fife the Queen Margaret hospital has been closed, I wonder if some of that money would have been able to keep that open to service the needs of the people of Fife, maybe not but you never know but please lets make sure that anything like that doesnt get in the way of preserving an institution that has not been paying its dues for many many years.

This is not a one off mistake, or a cash flow issue, this is paramount to fraud as they have used money due to the taxman to keep their business running hence there is now a shortfall in the governments figures, who know pays for that.

I think it is time that politicians got on with the job of trying to run a country and kept out of the affairs of privately owned businesses that are in serious debt.

I await your response with interest.

Your letter should be sent as an open letter to the local papers in your area and ask for the said politican to respond.....TTTS

To dude who wrote the letter -

A fair point in there bud. Dont hold out any hope of a reply!! I feel it will be a case of sweeping it all under the political rug ( that rug must be fairly bulging by the way). He has used the cop out of acting under instruction of his minion.... sorry constituents.

But hope you get an answer and let us all know it if you do!

Evinguu

Where about in Dundee r u from evinguu
Hobbybhoy

11 Apr 2012 09:13:18
Heard a rumour that, due to Wanyama's great performances, Lennon is willing to offload Kayal, and use the money to bid for Roger Johnson and Kevin Doyle from Wolves

Samson

Roger johnsons p!sh

I would agree that we would need to get rid of one of our CM but I would think Ki would be the one to go? Brown can play RM as well as CM and Ledley can play LB, LM or CM if needed so would think we would want to keep both Wanyama and Kayal if we want to build on this season and gain entry into the champions league group stages.

Lay off the panadol fort bro...

Still think we miss kayal when he's not there.....green jhedi

Kayal has to stay,Ki can go

Ki out, get in a proper playmaker in the mould of lubo/naka. And a strong striker for europe where we'll need to play a more direct style...maybe in the mould of *cough cough* Jelavic?

So basically you are telling us that Kayal is worth over £10m?

What ever your on, I'll have it!

TTG