10 Sep 2017 12:06:47
@ Rogers at work. Really? At 57 years of age mate i doubt you have seen any more games than me. season ticket since before fergus. maybe you are younger and don't realise that the press have a field day with this?
The chanting of IRA songs is ridiculous and outdated nonsense. There are plenty of Celtic songs and other republican songs to sing. See what i did there RAW? Republican songs without mentioning the IRA or the add ons to others.
And please don't throw the Soldiers Song in to the mix as the bastardised version sing by some is an insult to the song.
10 Sep 2017 13:10:31
I bet that you have sung many republican and IRA songs at Parkhead over the years, as have I.
Just because you no longer sing them or may no longer agree with them does not give you the right to tell others what they can and cannot sing.
These songs are a big part of our culture in many people's eyes and it gives people; rightly or wrongly, a sense of identity and belonging.
There are songs I sung in the old jungle that I would not sing now but you won't hear me chastising people who wish to sing them now because that would make both self-righteous and a hypocrite.
The way I see it, is that many of the fans from working class backgrounds can no longer afford to go on account of the high cost. These fans are being replaced with middle class people who have different political and social views. This is one of the main reasons football is becoming sanitised, which I don't like. As a result I will sing the songs even more just to piss these people off. If their middle class sensibilities can't handle it then they can always stay at home and watch on TV with the volume turned down.
10 Sep 2017 13:20:48
I've lost your logic there FGJ I'm afraid. I asked earlier where is the line ie. is Grace OK or not OK? If I'm understanding you correctly you have no objection to fans singing songs in support of the republican cause as long as there is no mention of the organisation that engaged in an armed struggle to progress that cause? Not sure I get that argument. Just genuinely trying to establish agreement amongst ourselves where the line is? What can be said for certain is Celtic FC as a club are not inviting ex-members of that organisation to Parkhead but across the Clyde in Govan the armed forces are more than welcome with I'd wager the parachute regiment first on the list of those invited and we all know why. The term murdering organisation is dependent on your political viewpoint. I am not expressing an opinion merely stating facts and the sensibilities of those who find some songs offensive isn't high on my list of concerns. It does concern me though that it is used against the club but that these songs or some other issue will be used to blight Celtics name has always and will always be the case. As to where the line is I'm no clearer.
10 Sep 2017 13:21:45
"As a result I will sing these songs even more just to piss these people off"
Well that explains it all, .
10 Sep 2017 13:31:28
Big part of our culture, where have i heard that defence before? Yes i did sing songs in the jungle that are unsuitable now, that's my point. surely the world, especially in Ireland, has changed since the seventies? I sung songs then as a protest against the treatment of Republican prisoners and the secret murder gangs who operated in collusion with forces of the crown. That was then mate, we are closer to a united Ireland than ever in the now.
This chanting of IRA, we are becoming noticed for it because certain people, in and out of the game, use it to beat us. Why do you think the laughable and embarrassing armed forces day was invented? Celtic Park has become known world wide for various reasons, jeeze, look at the strides we have made in leaving a basket case of assets in our wake. To continue this will come back to bite us. I say this as a proud Republican, but in Celtic Park im there for the football.
10 Sep 2017 14:35:35
Rodgers at work, correct in what u say, aindoh iv never seen a positive comment from u on here.
10 Sep 2017 15:16:48
Positivity is my middle name.
10 Sep 2017 15:29:24
Raw. can only the working classes support Celtic? . and do you want to go back to the unsanitised pish strewn terraces of the 70s? . what actually defines working class now Raw? . genuine questions not an attack.
10 Sep 2017 15:51:05
I can define middles class . Some eejit who's working class but has his / her head up their arse .
10 Sep 2017 16:08:38
No, anyone can support Celtic if they so choose. Why do you ask?
With regards going back to the 70s, there are pros and cons. I actually liked the terracing and liked the fact that you would go as a group and were able to stand beside your mates once you got inside. On top of that I also enjoyed the banter between fans and never once left the ground being upset or angry over what the opposition fans were singing. However, I did not enjoy when you had to go for a shite as the bogs were worse than the one in Trainspotting.
I can only give you the definition of what working class is to me. To me working class people were the people I grew up with who lived on council estates and did not have a lot of money.
10 Sep 2017 16:30:18
Get yourselves into the Walfrid, no singing at all 😂.
10 Sep 2017 17:07:17
Aindoh positive mcgarry.
10 Sep 2017 17:17:24
Although i must say fgj your last comment makes sense, i think the thing to remember here is we are all celtic fans'with the exception of maybe aindoh😊' and maybe sensible dialogue is needed to avoid bans etc, but i for one will mot condemn anyone for singing these songs justbecause i have grown and matured now, and it is the derisary teems some celtic fans use when condemning our own that makes them sound anti-republican, in general just not celtic people and causes division amongst us which plays into the peole who would love to see our extinctions hands, we are in a great place right now and we must stick together with no internal rumblings, 🇮🇪✌ï¸.
10 Sep 2017 18:18:13
The IRA stuff is provocative and dated. It is only one aspect of our History and as important as it is, it should not define us as a club. I think it's something we could easily do without.
10 Sep 2017 18:35:17
Ttts that's the best definition of middle class I've ever heard. ðŸ‘ðŸ‘.
10 Sep 2017 19:09:17
Why are you responding to this person. He wouldn't know a Socialist if he was bitten by won. The IRA stuff may actually have been of some minor relevance in the 70 and 80s but we and importantly the people of NI have or are trying to move on. Sing the songs that matter about our great sporting club and family. Rodgers at work you will never speak for or represent me or the vast vast majority of Celtic FC fans.
10 Sep 2017 20:13:07
Who McGarry?
10 Sep 2017 23:49:15
Bitten by 'won' 🤔😂.
10 Sep 2017 23:51:53
@Ignatius Loyola - You really make me laugh with your unintentional irony.
Firstly, you tell people not to respond to me but then you respond.
Secondly, you claim that I will not speak or represent the "vast vast" majority of Celtic fans, yet you try and do exactly that with your assertion.
Thirdly, while this one is not ironic, why are you attributing the talking of socialism (not sure how you get bit by "won") to myself? If you scroll back through what has been said you may notice that at no point was I talking about socialism, for that matter I was not claiming to be the representative of the "vast vast" majority of Celtic fans either .
By the way I love when it when Celtic fans who chastise the singing of rebel songs come down the Celtic pubs and try and educate us about what we should and shouldn't sing. It is comedy gold when they are told in no uncertain terms where to go and they quickly scurry off with their tail between their legs.
11 Sep 2017 13:57:29
Is that achieved by debating or are you threatening to harm them for not wanting the support not to sing Provo songs.
And as an aside, do all these Provo song supporters attend marches?
11 Sep 2017 20:12:16
Magicpole I've never heard of a provo march, I've been on plenty of republican parades but if that's what u mean. Anyway wots that got to do wae singing? Are u only allowed to sing rebel songs if u go on republican marches? What a load of Sh/ t@ that is.
12 Sep 2017 13:46:10
Yes I'm talking about the political aspect where true Republicans do more than sing. They turn out.
You know what I'm getting at and the point is it's damaging to the club and splits the support. How can you sing those songs when you know it's damaging the club?
Seems the love of the Provos supersedes that of Celtic.
I don't agree with putting the ira before our club. Do that all day. March up and down the street all you want and good luck to you. This is a football club singing about stuff the Irish don't even sing .
Why are we the vehicle for expressing your love of the Provos?
That's all I'm asking.