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03 Aug 2017 12:20:28
Great to be in the draw again for tomorrow but on other matters what about La Liga rejecting the payment for Neymar as they' feel it's against F. F. P! Pot kettle black springs to mind!

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03 Aug 2017 13:03:48
Heard psg can get round it by paying it I instalments. So much every season that will keep them under the limit.

{Ed007's Note -

{Ed002's Note - The transfer fee would not be an FFP issue in any one year for a number of clubs but it would be an issue for any club looking to do any other significant business over forthcoming years. As an example, in the past Messi has turned down a transfer to one side who had agreed to meet Barcelona's then €250M price tag, and Barcelona and a commercial partner resisted an approach by a commercial organisation on behalf of an English side with an offer to buy, or at least part fund, the purchase of the player. I am aware that in Spain there has been speculation about an offer being made during the summer 2014 transfer window, but it is "largely" incorrect. This all started in 2012 when in mid December Anzhi made an offer to Barcelona that matched the €250M euro release clause that existed in his contract, and put up what I am told was a "very" significant personal package. However, Messi was not interested in a move to Russia and Barcelona did not want and had no obligation to sell - so Messi, in early February 2013, extended his contract with Barcelona. In the early summer of 2013 efforts were being made by Adidas to broker a deal that would get Messi away from Nike and to one of their three high-profile clubs that they were invovled with at the time. Very quickly Real Madrid were ruled out and with Pep Guardiola moving to Bayern Munich that pretty much saw the end of any chance of a move there (given the strained relationship) at the time. This left Chelsea, and I can confirm that discussions were held about making a firm bid - at this point we are in late 2013 and early 2014 and Messi was in a verbal spat with Barcelona about getting a further extension - which the club were against. Ultimately, the player was (at least in his eyes) available during the Spring of 2014 and at that point Chelsea and Adidas made his management representatives and Barcelona aware of what they would be willing to do to make a transfer happen. Since then he has again extended his contract with Barcelona and Chelsea and Adidas have parted company. A number of questions were asked of representatives of UEFA in December 2014 regarding the transfer of the financially very high-end players (Messi, Neymar etc.) and the impact on FFP. It is clear that exceptions would need to be put in place as the alternative could be lawsuits from players regarding restrictions on trade.

In the case of Neymar PSG still need to stay with FFP but there will be a little flexibility. The fee itself is less of an issue than the wages and other costs are. PSG has spent very little this summer and know that they can raise additional funds through various sponsorship deals, some image rights and of course through player sales to balance the books. PSG are actively trying to move on a number of players whilst they also remain interested in Sanchez. Those players include some who have very high wages and a decent value - so that will take a serious bite out of the costs. From a marketing perspective Neymar can bring in a great deal via endorsements and we may eventually see as part of the deal some of that transferred to PSG. They also have a relatively low income kit deal - expect a significant jump in that.

Regardless of all of this, by the end of June 2018 they need to be back on track FFP wise. UEFA already monitor all clubs previously banned or subject to prior sanctions. It is a long list and PSG are on it, so UEFA will be monitoring the situation.}

03 Aug 2017 13:10:32
They were talking about him paying it himself to get round FFP and then him making the money back through some kind of Qatar backed "sponsorship".

03 Aug 2017 14:42:35
Think it's a bit rich Ed considering the doping that Barcelona have done and the amount of dept Spanish teams have.

{Ed007's Note - It's going to get very messy, no pun intended lol. It's not my money and obviously somebody somewhere can afford to finance the deal there's just something about the figures mentioned that morally doesn't sit right with me.}

03 Aug 2017 15:21:09
Ed, If it had been your money mate the deal would have got done yesterday

They big notes in your wallet are beginning to weigh you down :-P.

{Ed007's Note - Aye right you!}

03 Aug 2017 15:38:16
I agree mate and that was the same as the people I watched the game with last night. PSG will make a lot of that money back through shirt sales sponsorships and image rights but it's frightening and I hope the bum falls out it all.

{Ed007's Note - I couldn't agree more mate, I'd love to see one of those type of clubs to go bust.}

03 Aug 2017 16:52:25
But the whole thing is mad! Jurgen Klopp on bumping his gums about the Neymar deal saying only two clubs could afford Neymar and what about FFP etc. and yet isVVD now worth £60 mill nearly two year after Celtic and he is top drawer

A said before on here this Siggurdsson @ Swansea £45 million not being enough he is MINCE!

£30 MILL for a 18yr old keeper

Where does it stop? Somebody needs to get some sort of transfer scale sorted, crikey what could you do in the world with these amounts of money?

{Ed007's Note - Would you be 'moaning' if someone had paid Celtic £60 million for VVD though? That's where my thoughts are split mate, I know in my heart it's morally wrong when you see what's going on on our own doorsteps with foodbanks etc but would I throw my morals out the window if say Man City bid £100 million for Tierney & Dembele?
What I'm saying is and I'm including myself in this apart from the EPL part lol, are we genuinely complaining about it or, like the EPL, is just jealousy that we're not getting that kind of money?}

03 Aug 2017 17:20:15
I hear you Ed, Is it jealousy thing? I don't think it is for me anyway VVD was worth more than what Southampton paid for him big time!

My thoughts were charities mate Cancer get about £35 mill a year somebody was saying RSPCA and cat and dogs get about £28 mill and a neuro one close to my heart only gets £5! I know you have a couple of charities close to you but Ed the money getting banded about in Transfer fees is shocking mate

OK Let's say Neymar is a star well index link to X amount of new hospitals or schools or charities and suddenly he ain't that big a star in my eyes

Am looking for the beaks to get a grip here

Some sort of Barometer MUST be implemented Klopp spouting FFP that is a laugh because there is fawk aw fair about that IMO (Y)

{Ed007's Note - Spot on, I totally agree with all of that. What about the fans that were raging we aren't part of any break away Euro league! Do we really want to be associated with this kind of stuff? Sometimes it's better just being a huge fish in a wee pond.}

03 Aug 2017 17:27:47
So on a much smaller scale ed, if a team has needed a number of soft loans to just keep the lights on then go on a spending spree and spend 7-8 million on new players and wages , why are uefa not interested ?

{Ed007's Note - It's the Mason's mate - it's ALWAYS the Masons.}

03 Aug 2017 18:22:14
No a don't want affiliated to all of that Ed.

But I was listening to the radio the other night and it was talking about Forest Green offering better wages £than Partick Thistle bit of a shock to be honest

We are spending what £6 mill in fees per season? (maybe more this season) looking at all these prospects rough diamonds etc with sale on value our income is not going to increase unless PPV is introduced somewhere

In five years time domestic wise could be shocking or most teams made up of three or four ex Celtic youths ( not far away from that now)

If you were a Fulham fan you would be mad seeing whatever money MD goes for eventually but someone within the powers of the game must do something this Neymar might be the camel that breaks the straws back mate because there is real repulsion at it we kind of knew that the £100 mill player was coming but this is just nuts! (Y)

03 Aug 2017 19:12:23
No instalments the fee was paid in full as Barcelona demanded that and were not willing to negotiate with psg
Psg offered a list of players to Barcelona but they declined and went down this route to hopefully deter psg
The big thing I get though is how they get a loyalty bonus off Barcelona as he was still there 1/ 8
When you think that Barcelona stood up in court over tax evasion and for them to decided in early summer to move and agree a deal but wait til after this bonus
In regards to Qatar state did they not have a fall out with Barcelona over shirt sponsorship now they have bankrolled another toy to buy their 2nd best player seems like there could be a hidden agenda there.



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