05 Oct 2016 14:20:07
I'm not going to argue that Deila should have stayed. The turning point for the players seemed to be when we missed out on the CL group stage in his second season. It was at this point that our performances went on the decline and some players seemed to have downed tools and were no longer trying as hard as they should have. Don't get me wrong Deila has to shoulder a large part of the blame for the decline.
However, it does irk me that lots of fans continue to bash him and don't give him credit for the good things that he done for us. For instance:
1. He brought his 2 titles, 1 cup, European football after Xmas in the UEFA cup and group stages the following year.
2. He helped develop Tierney, Rogic, van Dijk, Griffiths and to a lesser extent Johansen (in his first year) .
3. He brought Rogic's and Forrest's long term injuries to an end by managing their recovery properly and building muscle mass on their problem areas to stop the injuries recurring.
4. He set the foundation for pressing football, which has given Rodgers a great base to build on.
5. He left a very good group of players, who are mostly at a good age, for Rodgers to work with.
6. He gave us half a season of very good football (2nd half of his first season) .
For these things, I will always be grateful and I just wish more fans would realise it was not all bad. Yes he had his faults and yes, Rodgers is a superior manager.
05 Oct 2016 15:14:02
Fully accept your summation but it could have been a lot better if:
1. He could have brought in his own backroom staff from the word go.
2. He hadn't brought in as many players as he did in such a short space of time.
3. He hadn't changed the playing system from practically day one, but change it slowly while playing to the players' potential.
4. He had been more of a disciplinarian and the likes of the Commons' outburst would not have happened.
5. He had got the senior players to buy into his thoughts and plans before changing the playing structure.
Deila came in by himself first (if I can remember correctly) before he brought in some of his fitness coaches/ physios or whoever and don't tell me for a minute JC and JK didn't have their own ways of doing things. Did their way supersede Deila's on the training ground? Did that undermine him and what he wanted to do?
I liked Deila and he was entirely different from Neil Lennon and maybe the players thought they were on holiday when he came in. It became a bit obvious he had lost the dressing room but it's hard to walk into any company with one hand tied behind your back.
Stengo.
05 Oct 2016 16:02:43
There is no denying that he made mistakes and could have done more. I just wanted to try and bring a bit of balance to people's views on him.
05 Oct 2016 16:42:25
@Rabmac Deila was a T! T.
05 Oct 2016 16:51:54
bottom line
he promised us high pressing football and we didn't get it.
It will be argued for years about his tenure being tainted (ye widnae hiv won if ragers were. ) but that will be said - even tho this season is proving they are wrong.
he was just simply the wrong guy for this job - although we all agree some of his techniques and ideas were good. Perhaps if he was behind the scenes in charge of these things under a more tactically aware manager.
With all this the absolute key moment for me was when were at home in the second last game of the EL Group - we "could have" won that game and the last and still progressed. Scores were tied in the closing stages and he took off Tierney and put on Izzy - like for like - the other team took off DM and put on Striker, went up the park and scored.
So PLAYING in the EL and even then had ABSOLUTELY no ambition - that sums him up nicely for me.
05 Oct 2016 17:18:06
We are enjoying a nice spell of weather just now, credit must be given to Ronnie for this, as he was here last October, and the groundwork he did back then laid the basis for the weather we are now enjoying, people just don't appreciate the range and magnitude of Ronnies powers, praise him.
05 Oct 2016 17:30:43
I had a sore toe before Ronnie was manager - and do you know what.!
05 Oct 2016 17:37:09
Unreasonable Timalloy.
Aindoh got his penny worth in no doubt as well.
Seriously though, decent post Rab. Some of the attacking and pressing play we're seeing under BR is the best I've seen (27 years) . But Ronnie left the club and team in a good place. All it needed was the few bits of quality BR can command, and an overall reinvigoration, which he's also managed to do to. It's the calling RD a t! t I can't get around. Fair enough not understanding his ideas/ restraints, but a t! t?
05 Oct 2016 18:09:03
Exactly Jim.
If other people want to form their opinions based on what they read in the Sun or Daily Record or what they hear on Clyde Soccer Scoreboard, then they are beyond our help and there is no point trying to reason with them.
05 Oct 2016 18:09:26
He left the club and the team in a good place?
05 Oct 2016 18:12:05
I find it remarkable that someone is stupid enough to believe that people can influence the weather.
05 Oct 2016 18:21:47
R D like almost every Celtic manager tried to do his best but he was put under pressure from the word go by the MSSM who at the start of R D career at Celtic were more concerned with looking after Warburton's needs and personal ego. Some of our so called fans stuck their oars in withh indecent haste . Our players despite a spell of good form last season, fell to pieces in semi final .
R D only won two leagues 1 cup in his two yrs but he certainly didn't have much luck at Celtic and certain fans still can't wait for an opportunity to criticise him
The players should maybe look in the mirror before adding their tuppence worth.
05 Oct 2016 19:48:05
Old Bhoy, you say he was unlucky, I think that he was probably the luckiest manager in our history. No other manager has had the advantage of having no Rangers throughout their tenure, the standard in Scottish football is very poor, and financially we had a huge advantage over every other club. It's nothing to do with the press and media but winning the league was the bare minimum required, anything less would have been totally embarrassing.
The trouble with Ronny was that any time we played a team slightly higher than SPL level we nearly always lost, he didn't do that well in big matches domestically either, remember Ross County and Sevco. A lot of the performances into the bargain were shocking.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with how nice a guy he is, he just wasn't a very good manager.
Every manager at every club gets judged on results and performances, why should Ronny not be judged the same way? .
Ronny didn't do the job for free, he was paid a decent wage for the job, fans are perfectly entitled to make a judgment on him in the same way that we can have an opinion on how players perform, it's nothing personal against the man.
05 Oct 2016 20:49:28
Rabmac. RD did little that you or I could not have done. He regressed CFC on the field really from the start of his tenure and should have b even replaced at the end of h I s first season. He was one dimensional, really because he was clueless. The pressing game he went on about never worked for him because the players lost respect for him as they knew he was in above his weight. In my opinion he did little groundwork to assist BR coming in. The difference in the two 're tactics, football nonce, man management is night and day.
05 Oct 2016 21:01:46
He did leave the team in a good place. Granted, just taking the league isn't enough, but as Rab says he got a good few players settled, players who are stil some of our better ones right now, credit to BR too for disgarding/ ignoring some bad apples mind. Then there are the things behind the scenes, which a lot of people seem to scoff at, but as a club we were in the dark ages in terms of sports science, youth conveyor belt etc. BR I'm sure would have looked to change these things, but thanks to RD, there was less work than he would have had to do. Quite what you're rambling on about the weather for, I don't know.
05 Oct 2016 22:16:52
The entire argument that RD laid the foundations for BR to benefit from is incorrect. If RD had remained at the club we would not have qualified for CL. We would not be beating teams by 3,4 and 5 goals. In fact we would be, in my opinion facing a challenge for the title whereas we will win it by 20 plus points and maybe do the treble. RD was a mile awY from what BR has brought to Celtic. I am not putting the boot in, I am only giving my opinion. The bottom line is does it matter? Why are we even having the debate? BR is in my opinion being hampered by what RD left behind. He bought too many average or poor players. Don't tell me it was not his call. He had players at Lennoxtown for weeks to asses them, gave them contracts and got nothing out of them. BR needs to get rid of loads of players that BR bought. So the RD experiment was not a good one but just move on.
05 Oct 2016 22:51:29
The players gradually lost confidence in him as most of them had performed very well for most of RD's first season, but many of them lost form, fitness or even interest during his second term.
I have also no doubt that Collins was a disruptive influence and how John Kennedy is still employed today is incredible.
There were far too many performances that were below par and if Griffiths wasn't scoring, we were usually in trouble - luckily his amazing goals tally helped secure another title in 2016.
There were times when the biased media rattled Ronnie and the fans lost faith along the way, but he tried his best like many before him, but found certain aspects of the job too hard to handle.
Players are like schoolboys in some ways and if they get away with bad behavior, habits and indiscipline then they will take the piss.
Fortunately we have a regime in place that has rooted out the bad apples and laid down the law for the others and not before time.
05 Oct 2016 23:03:09
In short, any and all who "downed tools" show a lack of respect and a lack of professionalism to the manager, the support and the club in general and should all have been shown the door. RD may have lacked a bit of mental toughness, but he got absolutely no help from the ****ers who employed him! Take from that what you will, because that would include a right few from our current playing staff including the so called captain!
05 Oct 2016 23:43:03
I think the club were to blame for Ronny's ultimate failure because he should never have been there in the first place. Of course he was going to accept the challenge of managing Celtic, what manager from a lower quality of football wouldn't? He gave it his best shot but the fact is his best shot was never going to be enough. And that was the club's fault for taking the cheap option and appointing him. I'm sure he is a very nice guy. HH.
06 Oct 2016 18:02:17
One thing that was unlucky for R D was he managed Celtic in the era of the Internet when people with little knowledge and none can spread their nonsense about our manager.
06 Oct 2016 19:51:41
Old Bhoy, why don't you tell us what we've all got so wrong about Ronny.
I went to nearly every home match while Ronny was in charge and quite a few away games as well, in that time a lot of the football we played was utter dross, I saw us embarrassed on more than one occasion, and the crowd numbers were falling alarmingly.
These things I witnessed with my own eyes, when you consider how much better the team is playing now Ronny has left maybe you could tell me and thousands of other fans, what exactly is nonsense about it? .
Please explain to me how I've got it so wrong, how we actually played a thrilling brand of Football, the defeats to Sevco, Ross County, and all the others were actually heroic triumphs, and the crowds were so good that they were turning people away at the gates.
What exactly is your argument for saying that me and most other supporters have got the last couple of seasons so badly wrong? .
06 Oct 2016 22:07:52
@Gerry - In the second half of his first season we played some great football after our trip abroad just after Xmas. In that period of 20 league games we scored 50 goal and only conceded 5. We lost 1 and drew 2.
If you cast your mind back you may remember Johansen being a demon on the park and we were pressing well and creating loads of chances.
Even in the first half of the season you could see what he was trying to do and once player fitness was good enough to last the 90 minutes we stopped giving away all the sloppy goals at the end of games.
Admittedly we were well below par in his second season.
06 Oct 2016 23:41:26
Timalloy calling anyone a tit. lol! The irony. ex bear pals and the bigot in a suit. anyone want to hear about my imaginary Sunday buddies?
06 Oct 2016 23:33:27
Having John Collins as assistant was certain failure. After appointing Mowbray and Lennon before, Lawwell should of bern out door after Deila.