15 Aug 2016 16:32:55
It's no wonder some of the (it's a sport not politics crew) don't want politics in football. A struggle to grasp a basic understanding of it.
I mean if it wasn't for politics Celtic as a football club would not exist.
You can't pick and choose what the club is, the club was political by origin.
Also I take it none of you ever sang a national anthem at a football match?
Final point, we are all worried about playing Beer Sheva and offending them with a Palestine flag? because "politics doesn't belong? "
Well how come none of you mention that Beer Sheva Clubs badge has a communist hammer and sickle? is this not political?
15 Aug 2016 17:35:20
Tesla don't know if your looking for someone to bite. But as simple as its going to be we don't need a fine, suspension from Europe or gates closed. That's the way majority of celtic fans out there think. If your wanting or any others want to make a political statement then do it elsewhere it's against the rules simple. Your watching sport not a debate in the house of commons keep it for elsewhere. Stay at home and argue to the tv if it means that much but don't ruin it on others.
And as for always being political. We were started as a club to ensure the poor in the east end of Glasgow where fed (irish immigrants predominantly) however all where welcome with anything else being sent to aid sufferers of poverty in Ireland. We are a charitable foundation not their to cause a political upheaval. For if yknow your history! !
15 Aug 2016 18:03:38
Tesla, Their badge is nothing to do with a political communist statement. They are Israelis not Russians the badge has nothing to do with any political statement. They are from Israel, they wouldn't have a communist association ever. Also how is singing a national anthem political. When we sing flower of Scotland it's a nationalist statement not a political one unless of course someone wants to make it one but a national anthem is not intended as such. The problem is anything can be turned into a political statement. To be honest there is only a small amount of support for this protest and there is always a Palestinian flag flying somewhere but the problem is that it's going to get blown out of all proportion and be made to look like Celtic park is trying to cause trouble. We are giving the Scottish media more ammunition and everyone knows how that is going to br used against us. Let's just get our head down and win. It's going to be tough enough as it is.
15 Aug 2016 18:06:21
Don't think anyone is worried about offending Beer sherba, don't know where you got that from, think the worry is what punishment uefa will dish out, agree with you politics has always been in sport, Hitler was good at trying to use it that way.
15 Aug 2016 18:38:04
OK tesla. talking about politics and all what would you say about the guy who supports celtic saying those disgusting things about Bitton? Our own player gets hate because of where he is from, thats"politics" fan. Are we wrong for having a go at his dumb thinking? Is that OK what he did? Don't use club for your own use of ideas that's all, we came from Chara table causes welcomed to all!
Not a go at you or anyone else but for all this politics talk of a flag look at that fan going after our own player, uefa has giving a warning and will hit us hard, that's not good for the club.
15 Aug 2016 19:11:38
just a quick congrats to aindoh for managing to write a post without mentioning ronny deila keep it up your doing well.
15 Aug 2016 19:15:57
To my way of thinking those of us who live Celtic day and night would waste our concentration on Pro-Palestinian flags or any other ensigns. We have 90 mins + half time interval to cheer and encourage our team to victory, let us not waste any of it.
15 Aug 2016 20:01:10
That's exactly what I'm saying people are scared of a fine or punishment but otherwise don't see the flag as an issue any other week.
So basically it's a fear of authority, a fear of how we and the flag is interpreted. Most fly the flag in sympathy with a struggle of common people in palestine. It's not flown to be offensive.
So that answers your Biton theory, it's not an anti Israel thing, it's a sympathy for an oppressed people.
The guy saying national anthems are not political, I dunno how you can say nationalism isn't political. It's the daftest thing I've heard. "fought and died for" singing about battles? what has that got to do with football? but you pick and choose what you are happy with.
Yes we came as a charity for the poor, but ask why were these irish immigrants poor? because of the famine and held crops from Trevelyan. They were refused work in Scotland due to their background also. This is directly politics. The charity was to fight against political discrimination to help poverty. So don't try to wipe politics from that situation.
I bet you all sing fields of athenry as well but again got nothing to do with soccer.
it all comes down to fear of authority, the flag in itself has no offensive intention. This club has never been about fear of authority. If you people ran the club the SFA would have had our tricolor down years ago.
never bow to authority without real reason. A flag in itself is not political. simple.
15 Aug 2016 20:31:02
Telsa you are just changing the argument. A flag of a country is not political but a national anthem is? Explain?
15 Aug 2016 20:49:54
A flag in istelf is not political.
An anthem about battles of past political struggles is literally a political song.
Fields of Athenrye goes on about stealing from Trevelyan due to his political stance.
poverty and politics are tied hand in hand whether you like it or not, as a club who supports impoverished peoples of all races, I see no offence in having a Palestine flag.
It's not used as an anti israel flag, but to support people going through a tough time.
I think that represents our club more than bowing down out of fear over a UEFA fine that's all.
Aye maybe if people say politics has zero place in sport but you can't just pick and choose when it suits like international footy, rememberance day etc. It's either in totally or out totally.
15 Aug 2016 21:27:03
Tesla369 tut tut tut. Drinking on a school night.
15 Aug 2016 21:33:40
They were stealing from Trevelyan, to feed the children not because of his political stance.
15 Aug 2016 22:04:44
Dn30 there's nothin wrong with drinking on a school night especially if it produces posts like that. Well said tesla.
15 Aug 2016 23:55:30
aindoh - Trevelyan was involved with politics and could have done a lot to help the irish during the famine. He chose not to.
The theft of crops comes about as a result of political decisions. It's political even if you don't like it to be.
and cheers Stephbhoy, disappointing that so many supporters in denial that politics is closely related to our clubs, shameful attempts to push out and rewrite the history of the club and replace them with happy clappers.
I'm sure during the old/ new firm they all see it as just a football rivalry, i'm sure they deny any historical political differences and claim they hate Rangers just because their footballing choices.
16 Aug 2016 01:05:20
I don't think Trevelan could have done any less . If there had been any justice he would have been charged with causing the death of millions of Irish citizens .
Irish exports of food and grain actually increased during the years of the mass starvation in Ireland .
Trevelan hid the worse excesses of the result of the potato crop failures from his Government, preferring to wine and dine with the English land owners in Ireland and turn a blind eye to their exporting food etc.