13 Jul 2016 23:51:47
folks this is what we are dealing with here
a GK that was free and injury prone
a right back who is injured 50% of the time
a centre half signed from a mid division israeli side
brown signed from hibs
biton signed from a mid division israeli team
johnassen signed from a norwegian pub team
griffiths signed from hibernian
ciftci from dundee united
dembelle from fulham
a young land that came in after a loan spell at notts county
a young lad from ICT
loan player (star man) who can't get a game for his parent club and prior to that eleven games for fulham
why do we think that MIX and INVESTMENT is CL material . as ED often says . what gives us the right to expect anything?
CFC are caught in a trap
we have very average players on pretty big wages (relative to pan europe) , but low wages relative to sky high england
this is a vicious cycle IE we overpay average players who aren't really wanted by anyone else. the wage levels imply a good level of technical ability / fitness . but its actually merely implied
we didn't mean to amass a poor team
we didn't mean to have a weak nucleus
no one meant to have a scenario where we persevere with a player that gets laughed on to the park and jeered . I'm with old bhoy IE doesn't help
all of the above does not mean i don't love CFC . but my expectations are now very low (they have been low for some time)
the bright spots for me at least are
tierney
armstrong
henderson (pre departure to hibs)
and then I'm struggling
i'll give griffiths a round of applause by choosing to seize upon the opportunity afforded to him . still never good enough (at present) to lead the line in the CL. no chance / no way / another 3 years for that assuming he gets good ammo from m/ field
we are "stuck" with a big squad and a bloated wage bill and will struggle to offload
are we good enough to see off a domestic challenge?
ermmmmm. i really worry about the HUNGER .
we are the biggest club no doubt but i think that plays against us as some of our players think like they have "arrived" whereas they should be working harder than ever to GROW IN TO THE CELTIC JERSEY
good luck to BR
hail hail.
14 Jul 2016 00:18:52
One thing that does my head in about this site is people trying to get one up on another it's like c1ssc against a rankers fan lads get it together next week could be 10 0. Then we'll be great again yes we need new signings we know that we'll get them we just need to give it time I'm as disappointed as any celtic fan about the 1 0 but keep the faith hh.
14 Jul 2016 00:31:14
Paradisewon that was meant to be a new post from me nothing against your post mate.
14 Jul 2016 00:44:53
Paradisewon i agree with most of your post. Thing i like about it is, finally fans are thinking what I've thought for a long time. PL and his modern day equivalent of tattoo JP have seriously put our club back and failed in thete wheeler dealer project.
We won't progress under any manager untill they are gone.
MRgreen your wrong. That was in my 33 years of life the worst result i have ever seen. Should never of happened. But with some fans it will be okay cause its BR. If that was Deila he would be slaughtered and demands for immediate sack/ resign. Which would be justified but same should apply to BR.
{Ed007's Note - Remember just 6 months ago when we beat a team of part-timers on a plastic pitch 2-0 and it wasn't deemed good enough? The team was booed off the park and the site was full of people wanting the manager sacked because it wasn't up to their standards.
So why has the standard dropped in 6 months? Red Imps are no better than EK Thistle.}
14 Jul 2016 07:13:44
Do t get your point about highlighting the teams the players came from . then praising armstrong and henderson who came from similar standard teams . also griff top scorer goal every other game and not a flop like miku who came from la liga.
14 Jul 2016 07:26:43
DRB
It was more about overall standard and calibre
You're right about club origin point albeit the poorer the standard of originating club the harder I think it is to expect great things when you amass most of your players from low profile clubs
But I take your point.
14 Jul 2016 09:24:40
Ed, I agree with you about that. That was probably the point of no return for RD when fans and the media were saying he should be sacked for winning a game and going through. However, I have every confidence we will achieve a better standard under BR.
{Ed007's Note - Why? So you're confident that we'll win at least 2 domestic trophies and play in the latter stages of Europe this season - after all that's the standard RD set?}
14 Jul 2016 13:01:28
That's the standard RD set in his first season. Last season was a complete shambles and we won 1 domestic trophy and got humped in the EL groups. I expect a big improvement on that and also a gradual improvement in how enjoyable the football is to watch in general. I realise that the BR sychophants get on your nerves Ed but you seem to almost want him to fail with some of your comments.
{Ed007's Note - If you think I want any Celtic manager to fail you're an idiot and it's not worth me wasting my time talking to you.}
14 Jul 2016 14:05:25
I didn't say you do want him to fail I said some of your comments would almost make it seem so due to their negative nature. But if you want to take the nip that's fine.
{Ed007's Note - I don't see how pointing out the double standards being shown by a lot of supporters could possibly make it look like I want Rodgers to fail. Maybe you're seeing what you want to see rather than what's actually been said, then again it's easier to play the man when you can't argue against his points.}
14 Jul 2016 14:38:39
I'm not arguing against your point Ed. I agree that a lot of people have already shown that they would accept some things from BR that they wouldn't from RD. But you used to try and be positive about RD when folk were getting on his case and I haven't seen the same from you with regards to BR. I don't think I'm making that up or seeing what I want to see, you said yourself you haven't been overly fussed by his appointment and that we should get used to the football we saw on Tuesday. I personally have hopes and expectations that he will be an improvement on RD which is based on some of the very entertaining football I witnessed from his Liverpool and Swansea teams.
{Ed007's Note - For the last 2 years people blamed RD for everything that was wrong at the Club. Brendan Rodgers has led us to THE most embarrassing European defeat in our history and it's suddenly the pitch and players fault.
RD was constantly accused of not being able to motivate certain players - did that shower out there on Tuesday look motivated for their first competitive game under a new manager? Forget the pitch and the heat, there was no heart in that team.
I said last season that the support were setting the bar so high that any future manager will be under intense scrutiny like never before - so why isn't Rodgers being judged under the same conditions and constraints as RD? Look around at how many Celtic fans who made up their mind about RD after failing to qualify for the CL in his first season can't even bring themselves to question him about Tuesday and would rather blame the pitch and players.
Brendan Rodgers first competitive match as Celtic manager was the single most embarrassing result in our European history, against a team of part-time players who had worked a shift before the match, and nothing can change that. Last season Celtic supporters wanted the manager sacked for winning 2-0 against a team of part-timers on a plastic pitch - all of a sudden that EK Thistle result doesn't look too bad.
On the live chat there were guys that had bet 5-0 and 6-0, I myself said 3-0 as I knew the pitch would be a problem. Celtic getting beat was unacceptable and yet the manager came out and said it wasn't embarrassing. For a one off game this is worse than Clyde, Morton or even ICT years ago.
You're holding onto what you hope will happen rather than stick to talking about what has, nothing will ever erase this embarrassment - unless we go out on away goals next week.}
14 Jul 2016 15:20:36
Hail Hail to that Ed. To a T.
{Ed007's Note - (yes)
14 Jul 2016 15:29:47
I was one of the people who defended RD after the EK game. I thought it was shocking some of the stick he got from certain people who were never going to give him a chance no matter what. Of course nothing can change the embarrassment of Tuesday but we can only improve from that and we will. The only positive is that we have a second leg to put it right and put it behind us as a major blip, a one off disaster. Whether or not we reach the standard that I think we can remains to be seen, you're right, but that's my opinion and it won't change after one horrific performance because I've seen the same standard of overall performance from RD's team last season, just without the final result. I'm not on here to argue, we both want Celtic to do well and I'm positive that we will.
{Ed007's Note - Let's hope we're not disappointed then. I agree with you that this is only a blip, a major one and that we'll be in the draw for the next round. But that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the different reaction and treatment of the manager. How do you think the fans would have reacted if we had appointed a Murat Yakan or even Paul Hartley as manager and they had led us to the most embarrassing result in our European history? The manager, Lawwell and the board would be getting crucified by everyone, supporters and the press. Even the press are going easy on Rodgers because they don't want to upset him so early in his time here, they know Rodgers can outflank them after years of dealing with the English media whereas they fed the anti RD feelings in the support.
If a journalist had slaughtered Rodgers in the press the fans would have been in an uproar screaming about boycots and banning them from Celtic Park blah blah. Yet they happily sat back and watched them hound our previous manager for 2 years with their borderline xenophobia.
Can we expect our own players to be booed by the support again?}
14 Jul 2016 18:28:23
I agree completely that the hypocrisy and double standards are so blatant it's not even funny and I understand your frustration at BR getting an easy ride. But that's not BR's fault and if some people are willing to give him the support that they should have given to RD then surely that's a good thing, although wholly unfair on RD. At the end of he day we all need to support the team and the manager and if BR was judged as harshly and aggressively as RD then he'd be on a shakey peg already but that's an awful way to go about things. Two wrongs don't make a right.
{Ed007's Note - Being two faced and having double standards is never a good thing. Don't worry, Kev, I'll be here to make sure Rodgers meets the extraordinary high standards that posters and fans have demanded from the management in recent years.}
14 Jul 2016 21:37:12
Being positive and showing support is a good thing though but criticism must be dished out when it's due.