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10 Feb 2016 09:59:27
Why are people so obsessed with the dons, The reason they can do what their doing on their budget is because the do not have to win anything for the manager to keep his job (like most of the league) So DM can do what he wants ie try out players formations etc etc as he doesn't have to worry about 40,000 fans calling for his sacking because he lost 2 important games. Last season Aberdeen finished without a trophy yet people think they are even close to the level celtic are at, If mcinnes wins the league he will go down as one of aberdeens best managers, but ronny wins 2 out of a possible 4 cups and everyone wants him sacked. let's face it the bottom line is success depends on him keeping his job, We can win every comp by defending for 90mins and scoring once and people would still not be happy, Do you want excellent football where you fall at the final hurdle (arsenal comes to mind) and end the season trophy less like the dons? . My point is celtic have a way and that is stick by the team, Do any of you think delia is not frustrated by the system he has found himself working under (JP, PL, JC, JK) but he knows the honour of managing celtic and he's willing to try his best, Delia has good ideas we have just got to force the board to go with them and stop selling him down the river if we back ronny and not the board they cannot sack him to keep us happy (as someone suggested may happen) RANT OVER! .

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10 Feb 2016 11:04:48
If RD is so hard done by, hung out to flap in the wind by those above him, why not leave with his integrity and dignity intact. He could then tell the world the truth about the constraints he had to work under.
Call me an old cynic, but when he goes, and he will go, he will be another one happy to take his severance with the gagging fee included.

10 Feb 2016 11:52:06
Ronnie delicious,
I don't think fans are so concerned about the sheep, the point is how far we have gone backwards.

10 Feb 2016 12:08:49
Ronny knew the constraints he would be working under when he took the job, that's why he can't really complain, I assume that when he was interviewed he must have told the board that he was happy with these constraints, and that he would be able to bring success to the club working with those conditions. Nobody put a gun to his head and marched him to the managers office.
As much as I dislike the board, I don't think that Ronny should hide behind it to cover his own failings.
We should be able to play with a bit of style in Scotland, we are bigger than any other club here, it shouldn't be beyond a manager to produce a winning team and an entertaining one.

10 Feb 2016 12:42:26
Gerry,

''As much as I dislike the board, I don't think that Ronny should hide behind it to cover his own failings. ''

How has he failed? He has met every objective the board has set him all be it in a terribly boring way but he has done as required. I am on the fence when it comes to ronny, As I don't get to see behind the scenes it remains to be seen whether the repetitive mistakes we are making are his faults or those of his assistants. I do agree he should be doing it in a more entertaining way and I will happily admit I have been bored to death all season but he has not failed by any means and that was my point, Do you want to be arsenal (play fantastic win nothing) or grind out results the old fashioned way we can't all be Barcelona although in the league we are in, we pretty much are. We do not spend an awful lot on players, maybe 10mil at most a season. If and when RD is sacked who could really come in and work with what he has to? Why do you think roy keane walked out after 1 day of talking to PL? There is really no one who could come in (or be willing to) work under what ronny has to with the recruitment processes etc and still have an entertaining all conquering team. IMO.

10 Feb 2016 12:46:45
Ronnie delicious of course we will win the league in Scotland. We have the largest squad, the most money best facilities. We have signed 20 players since Ronnie arrived that is more than the rest of the teams in the league put together. We have spent about £15 mill. Aberdeen have spent £1 mill. So it's a no competition league. We need to look at what happens when we come up against teams who have similar spend to us like Warsaw and we know what happened there. So don't start telling me what a great job Ronnie is doing. He has all the top players in The SPL at his disposal. We are buying the best players from our opponents making them weaker. Any manager in the SPL could win with those advantages.

10 Feb 2016 12:47:16
There are always ebbs and flows in football but I should point out that we have not gone as backwards as some people think.

If you actually look at Lennon's record in first two seasons (he actually had advantage as he was allowed to spend big in his first full season and had the end of a season to prepare) then he did not do as well as Deila is currently doing.

Lennon had 1 2nd place finish and a 1st place finish when Rangers imploded. He failed to qualify for Europe in his first season and only got to Europa group stage in his 2nd season when Sion got kicked out for fielding ineligible player. He won 1 Scottish cup and got beat in a League cup final against Kilmarnock.

If Deila does the double this season he will have 1 more league title, 1 more League Cup and 1 last 32 in Europa League, compared to Lennon.

10 Feb 2016 12:50:26
I actually like and agree with OP. I also accept the other comments about him knowing the constraints.
I also can't blame him wanting to manage the biggest club in Scotland.

10 Feb 2016 12:57:33
DBB,

Have we really gone backwards tho? i'm in my 20's been a celtic man all my life so since early 2000's. And I can honestly say that since Larsson left it has been going south ever since, Can you really say the GS, NL TM teams have been a real improvement or a joy to watch, Although lennon/ strachan had their moments overall it was a pretty average team and with pretty average performances. So I do see it as going backwards but rather not going forward.

10 Feb 2016 12:58:40
Johnny Mac, remind me what happened against Warsaw. Did they not cheat? And did we not progress to the next round?

10 Feb 2016 13:09:16
Johnny,

I 100% agree any manager should be able to win the league with celtic (as ronny has done easily I must say) And when it comes to Europe as rabmac pointed out lennons team got beat from sion (WHo the F*&K are sion? ) and Strachan certainly had his failings. So don't go trying to tell me ronny has been the one that made celtic the joke it is today, Last season celtic were excellent domestically and not entirely terrible in Europe so has he really done that bad? Are the players letting him down with lack of effort? Look at jose at Chelsea he had about 100x more money to spend and a squad celtic could only dream of yet when his players stopped giving it their all they were nearly in the bottom 3 so don't try and tell me that because we have more money we should be able to win without trying, The players need to want to win for the club not the manager, Anyway Chelsea sacked jose replaced him with Gus and yes he steadied the ship but there still in 13th? So a change in manager isn't always the answer, better recruitment is imo.

10 Feb 2016 13:35:56
I couldn't care less about Aberdeen - I've got enough on my plate with Celtic! I never gage anything we do on how other clubs are performing, whether they're in this league or praying to the devil to get promotion! You set your own standards in life, and I'm judging us on everything over the whole season! Europe was hell, we didn't learn from last year, it was worse, period! Ronny wants the players to improve every day he specifically said, well they're not improving, the team isn't improving and the management team aren't improving! We can't pass the ball, don't speak to each other, aren't aggressive enough, at set plays or general play! We don't look fitter either! I'd love to say something positive about the team, but I'd be making up lies!

10 Feb 2016 13:40:09
RonnieDelicious, I think he has failed, in Neil Lennon's last season we were playing in the Champions league, 2 years later we no longer play in the Champions league and we can't win a match in the competition below it.
We won the league by 29 points in Lennon's last season, last season the gap fell to 17 points, this season we will be happy to win it by any margin, if this trend continues then even if we win it this season, we won't next season.
If these are the targets he has been set, then I think that the targets are wrong, with our size and financial advantages, we should be doing better at least domestically.
As I said before, if Ronny had said at his interview that in 2 years time we would no longer be a Champions league team, and that we would be struggling to win the league, do you think that he would have been given the job?

10 Feb 2016 14:02:12
Even a lot of the elderly fans that sit near me are totally exasperated - they don't shout and moan, but they just shake their head and say that they're total imposters! Any manager worth his salt would come out and say that they are ALL letting the fans down, and that we should be beating teams like Malmo and Molde. If it was once or even twice fine, but we are continuously losing to teams on tiny wage bills compared to us! It's not just Deila's fault - the whole world knows that, but he should still be doing far better. I still don't think it's dawned on him how much of a brass neck the whole thing has become, because whatever way you try and butter it up he is complicit!

10 Feb 2016 14:12:18
Gerryc, I should point out that when you are comparing two things then you need to compare like for like but you are not doing that and you were also being very selective in what facts you presented.

As I have already pointed out Deila has done better than Lennon in his first two years in charge. I also pointed out that Lennon had advantages over Deila:

1. He was allowed to spend the vast majority of the McGeady money.
2. He knew the club well as he had played for us and had been working in the background before taking over.
3. He had nearly half a season in charge before he started his first full season.

The only thing Lennon had harder was the fact Rangers were in the league. However, this only really applied to his first season as they imploded under McCoist in his second season and as we know they went into liquidation.

One interesting thing to remember is that there were loads of fans calling for Lennon's head back then and he could have been a goner if he had not turned around a 3-0 half time score against Kilmarnock and finished 3-3.

10 Feb 2016 14:29:36
Quick question Rab Mac nothing to do with NL. If we went to Killie tomoz and went 3-0 down in first half would you be confident of Ronny getting them together and making a fightback?

10 Feb 2016 14:41:12
Bankie bhoy you must be a complete idiot to think Warsaw cheated us it was a genuine error on their part but the guy played about 2minutes at the end of the second leg. Yes they were found guilty and punished but Ronny got a right humping no matter what the history book says. Can you remember too much joy leaving murrayfield?

10 Feb 2016 14:49:04
I am not obsessed by Aberdeen, or any other potential opponent or rival, but there seems to be a group of supporters that are obsessed with defending or glossing over the serious decline in our club.
The current manager is not totally to blame, but he is not as untouchable as some will have us believe and has made several mistakes in tactics, line-ups and personnel choices over and over.
You just have to look at the current squad to see the lack of real quality in key areas and an absence of craft, skill and creativity associated with all the better Celtic teams over the decades.

10 Feb 2016 14:50:34
It is impossible for me to answer that question as there are so many unknown variables. However, what I can say is that I would most likely be blaming the players just as much as the manager if we went 3-0 down to Kilmarnock.

10 Feb 2016 15:05:13
There is not a decline in our club, unless you are comparing it to Martin O'Oneil's tenure.

10 Feb 2016 15:08:48
Jim72, Warsaw cheated. End of. We progressed. End of. If you do not comprehend the meaning of cheating I will spell it out. You can let me know. Or just look up imperfectly registered players. You will find that under sevco! Good to see you showing your true colours. Lol.

10 Feb 2016 16:25:20
RabMac, I don't accept that I am being selective with facts.
At the end of Lennon's first season in charge regardless of trophies won, the team showed a marked improvement from the previous season, granted we lost the league in the run in, but when you look at how far we finished behind Rangers the previous season, it was still an improvement on the previous season, at least we had started to move forward.
Since Ronny has been in charge we are getting worse, he can't get us into the Champions league, we are now struggling to win the league, and the football on show is pretty average at best.
As regards the advantages Lennon had, he may have spent more money, but we were coming from a long way back, Ronny can't even keep us at the same level as when he took over, and he hasn't had the competition Lennon had.
If Ronny was any good, you'd see him linked with other top jobs, the fact he isn't tells me that most of the rest of football doesn't rate him.

10 Feb 2016 16:42:44
JJ2,

''You just have to look at the current squad to see the lack of real quality in key areas and an absence of craft, skill and creativity associated with all the better Celtic teams over the decades''


I 100% agree but as many here would admit, Ronny does not decide who is signed he may have input but the final say is with PL hence why the squad is so bad.

I would like to state I in no way think ronny is faultless but you have to say a huge portion of the blame does not lie at his door. He will only be judged based on performances of players he did not sign or probably even want, That's why I think it is a bit unfair when most on here lay the blame on ronny. Yes his tactics have been poor at times but as he has said himself WE ARE CELTIC we should not have to adapt how we play to beat anyone domestically, It has only been in Europe where he has looked like a tactical clown but how much experience did he have of CL or EL as a player or manager? Should that have stopped him applying for the job? Of course not. Should that have stopped PL from hiring him? Absolutely but he did anyway so why not back the manager since the board don't want to. Ronny is nothing but PL's Scape goat IMHO.

10 Feb 2016 17:08:03
A politicians answer Rab, simple question mate, would u be confident Ronny could turn it round.

10 Feb 2016 18:01:27
It is not avoiding answering the question because like I said there are too many unknowns to be able to answer it.

10 Feb 2016 18:08:33
@Gerryc - You may not accept it but that does not change the fact that you are being selective. For example you choose to give the points difference instead of the total points. One could assume that this was because you want to paint a certain picture.

I should point out that by choosing to focus on the points difference is a case of choosing the wrong stat because Celtic have no control over how well another team does, apart from when we play them and if memory serves me correct, the season in question we pumped them 4 times out of 4. The right stat to choose would have been total points.

However, you choose not to use this stat because it clearly shows that we have not declined and it also would have shown how much Aberdeen have improved.

10 Feb 2016 18:47:21
RabMac, if you think that we haven't declined under Ronny, then you are perfectly entitled to that opinion.
I can only give my opinions on what I watch, and I think we are poorer than we were a couple of years ago, if you are enjoying the football we are playing then I'm pleased for you.

10 Feb 2016 18:55:41
Bankie boy, yes they cheated by fielding an ineligible player at the end of the game when they were 3-0 up. If you want to use that to support your argument fine. The point was when we come up against teams with similar budgets we get beaten buy you hang onto the cheating argument and bury your head in the sand.

10 Feb 2016 19:17:55
OK no probs mate. Question avoided.

10 Feb 2016 19:59:28
Bankie boy did Malmo cheat, did Fernabache cheat, did Maribor cheat, did Ajax cheat. The answer is there. When we come up against teams outside Scotland with a bigger budget than SPL teams we get exposed. It's not just Ronnie as the entire recruitment and financial model is tosh but these players are not performing under Ronnie. Will they perform better under anyone else? We shall see but if not then we will continue this decline and maybe it's too far gone to arrest without a major clear out?

10 Feb 2016 21:52:57
The facts are Ronny has taken the club backwards, around this time last season Celtic were 3 points clear of Aberdeen with a game in hand . Now we have the same number of points. As Abeerdeen& also have a game in hand . Last season we finished 17 points ahead of the Sheep.
From around this time last season R D had the majority of fans giving him loud support and encouraging the team in every game . Will he have that this season?

11 Feb 2016 16:47:09
I have no doubt that RD can turn this around, but the fans have to start supporting the team no matter what. Do you all think its just Deila who gets nervous with all the negative noise?
Deila said the youtube clip, that when all you try is not to do mistakes, you'll end up thinking about nothing else and you cannot perform propperly.
And this is what i think happened in the CL. The team looked in really good shape and played some decent football before the Malmø games, but they fell thrue in those games. Why?

Rosenborg has been Norways best team by a mile for the last two decades, but fell appart like a house of cards when they finally lost the league for rhe first time in 13! years in a row! Why? They had the best team, the best coaches and the best facilities, but still they couldn't keep it up.
Now you have Molde, Strømsgodset, Stabæk and Odd fighting for the and the norwegian league is much much better, hence better results in Europe and the national team is also getting better every day.

11 Feb 2016 18:56:13
I would hope that our fans would cast aside their reservation about R D and show their love for Celtic by getting behind all the players in all the games both home and away for the rest of the season .
After all we are all Celtic supporters arn't we .







 

 

 
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