23 Jan 2016 21:03:10
Another rubbish display by the green brigade today. How about they welcome the new guy to the club? Then sing songs about Celtic, rather than about being filmed/ facial recognition/ the police?
Decent fans wouldn't care about who watches them as they are at the stadium to support their club! These guys really grate on me.
23 Jan 2016 21:36:43
Nonsense. Facial recognition is already used by GCHQ and is an obvious violation of civil and political rights. The implications of allowing the government to know more about you than you know yourself are staggering, and Britain is already the worst offender in an egregious and frantic West (at least according to Edward Snowden) . The last place we need this shit is at Celtic Park.
23 Jan 2016 21:59:28
Cavalcanti . I fully agree with you, if the police used all the powers available to them, they could deal with most if not all the law violations at football matches . For example the bigoted and sectarian singing by the Ibrox mob at the recent Hibs game.
Maybe if NT87 feels so strong about GB banners he should be able to foresee them and raise a counter banner.
23 Jan 2016 22:10:15
No time for Green Brigade. If they were that passionate about making a stand, then why have they not took action regarding way PL has run club of late?
23 Jan 2016 22:49:47
Do you not think it's being used because of the clowns who cause all the problems. If they didn't cause trouble nobody would care who they are.
23 Jan 2016 23:27:48
I could not disagree more cavalcanti, if you are proud of what you do show you're face, if you are ashamed, ie a cowardldly little prick, hide it, john hume or martin luther king didn't hide behind masks or banners.
23 Jan 2016 23:28:13
Your right NT87. They are nothing but troublemakers.
23 Jan 2016 23:39:46
NT and DN blaming fellow fans for the establishment wanting to introduce more draconian acts against ordinary working class people. Wonderful chaps wonderful, people like you make their aims so much simpler. I think the word is sheeple.
{Ed007's Note - I think a lot of people are failing to see the bigger picture with this, this could have serious implications for everyone, not just football fans.}
24 Jan 2016 00:05:19
I me ed ,I might get caught watchin porn
24 Jan 2016 08:36:45
@NT87 - Not so long ago we had one of the most senior police officers in the police force describe our fans as Marxist and then state that it was his intention to "smash" us into the ground.
Since that statement has been made thousands of our fans have been harassed by the police. They are put under surveillance, they are stopped by police for no reason, detained for no reason, get their door kicked in during dawn raids for little reason and get arrested at airports upon returning from holiday. I should also point out that the small number who do end up in court are more often than not found not guilty of the trumped up charges administered by the police who have sworn to "smash" them.
So let me now ask you, do you still think the Green Brigade are not decent fans and should refrain from highlighting the injustices that they suffer?
24 Jan 2016 12:00:25
I think some of them are decent fans. I think some of them are total idiots. Most of my mates are season ticket holders and good supporters, not one of them has suffered any of this unjust behaviour. if you don't bring attention to yourself you won't get unwanted attention.
24 Jan 2016 13:14:53
@NT87 - Your response is what is known as an anecdotal fallacy (google it as I doubt you know what it actually means) and consists of a logical error.
I should point out, it is not my purpose to educate you, as I suspect there is little chance of success.
Anyway, I digress so let's get back to the point. Just because none of your mates have experienced any of this does not mean it does not happen or that it is justified. In fact one of the top QCs in Scotland (Brian McConnachie) has stated that the treatment of Celtic fans is what you would expect to find in a "police state". He then went on to say that the police are lying about what they do and has evidence that supports his claim. In addition Dr Waiton, senior sociology lecturer at Abertay University has stated that the legislation which allows police to act in this way
"is arguably the most authoritarian piece of legislation in modern times in Britain. "
Out of interest what are you basing your opinions on, other than anecdotal fallacies?
24 Jan 2016 15:45:25
Sorry I didn't realise I was dealing with Albert Einstein, trying to act smart doesn't really impress me, and I'm not going to be drawn into an 'I'm more intelligent than you' conversation, as your post has just shown me that other than anything else you are a right clown. obviously one with at least 4 degrees and I assume a learned doctor haha.
My point is that the green brigade bring it on themselves, I've been going to games for 20 years and any problem I've encountered is due to idiots in the crowd, not the people policing the game. That's my opinion, and I know it's not only me who thinks that.
{Ed007's Note - So you've not heard about supporters buses getting pulled over just because it's a supporter bus? Did you hear about the CFC fans and members of the public who were put off a City Link bus last Friday in Dundee and told that they had to either book into hotel or get taxis back to Glasgow.
I don't know what makes you think this is anything to do with the Green Brigade, it's about every football supporter in Scotland, but who did you blame for trouble at CFC games before the GB were around?
BTW, according to Police Scotland if you're in the CFC support you are just another idiot in the crowd the same as any other supporter. It's obvious you don't travel to games on supporters buses or on public transport, if you did you'd know maybe what you're talking about.}
24 Jan 2016 17:31:37
I've been on buses that have been pulled over and checked, again it didn't bother me as they just checked then the bus carried on. I don't see the problem. Well was it not the green brigade with the banner? Obviously there are other idiots who aren't part of the GB, and before the GB there were still the people who throw coins, sing sectarian songs and let off flares. These are the people who should be monitored, if I can take my wee boy to a game knowing the idiots are being policed I'm a lot happier!
24 Jan 2016 16:21:56
Your point is invalid as it is not based on facts and as I have already demonstrated, it is fallacious. If you do not like this being pointed out then you should perhaps consider asking yourself this question before you post:
Do I actually know anything about the subject I am about to post about?
If the answer is "no", then you would do well to go and learn some facts before spouting such drivel. Ignore this wise advice at your own peril.
24 Jan 2016 18:47:20
The facts I know is that there are lots of idiots who go to games and cause trouble, every club has its fair share of them?
Are you saying this isn't the case? If you think that then must be watching all the games on one of these dodgy telly boxes. I fail to see the problem with wanting less of the troublemakers in the stadium.
{Ed007's Note - I've never in my life met any trouble makers within the CFC support, not one. Did you report these people you seen causing trouble to the proper authorities?}
24 Jan 2016 19:31:52
Have you never heard sectarian singing, seen a flare, seen Dallas getting hit with a coin, seen dida get slapped in the face?
{Ed007's Note - I never met the guy who threw the coin or the guy who slapped Dida, did you blame the Green Brigade for those events too or just two individual clowns that were drunk, I don't recall them causing any trouble, one got lifted and one got took to hospital?
How can flares cause trouble? Guys fighting over who's turn it is to hold it? I've been at games in Germany with loads of flares and never seen them causing any trouble, I've never seen them causing any trouble in Scotland either.
It's been a long, long time since I have heard any sectarian singing from the CFC support, years in fact and even then I can't remember it causing trouble.
It depends what your definition of trouble is but my experience of it at football is usually alcohol fuelled.
Maybe you're a bit too precious for following football, you've certainly got a strange opinion on the general CFC support let alone the Green Brigade. The fact you're bringing up single incidents that happened in 1999 speaks or itself so I'll just leave it at that.}
24 Jan 2016 19:52:31
One of those eejits who never had a childhood. Was born with a pair of slippers on and a copy of gardeners world.
24 Jan 2016 20:40:04
@NT87 - You seem incapable of even following your own argument, what chance do you have of following mine as it actually makes sense and is based on fact.
Let me direct you back to your original point which is what I have taken issue with. Your point was about not liking the green brigade and that you thought they should just accept the authoritarian treatment dished out to them by the police rather than protesting about the mistreatment.
So do not try and change the parameters of the argument to try and avoid looking foolish as it won't work with me or others on this site.
Anyway, it is a moot point whether or not you get idiots at the football because it does not excuse the treatment they suffer at the hands of the police. Who as I pointed out earlier are out to "smash" our "Marxist" support.
24 Jan 2016 22:17:20
My initial argument that was the green brigade had another stupid banner. which they did.
As for the other ridiculous comments from ed, I enjoy football and supporting my team, I couldn't care less about facial recognition or the police as they have never concerned me. Maybe the people who get so worked up about how all this stuff affects them need to get a life and stop feeling victimised by anyone who looks at them.
{Ed007's Note - The only thing ridiculous here is you - a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the CFC support. It's people like you that get the rest of us a bad name with your made up accusations and holier than thou attitude. At least you and your type only sully home games.}
25 Jan 2016 07:13:52
Your right ed, the problem with Celtic fans is that there are too many who want to go watch football and not get involved in political crap. none of my accusations have been made up. Perhaps we should try to get more fines and sanctions from UEFA as you seem to pride yourself on them.
{Ed001's Note - I think you are completely missing the point, this is a return to the days when football fans were all treated as animals by the police. This is not merely a political issue, this is an issue of mistreatment of football fans as a group, rather than an attempt to find the troublemakers and single them out. The police are not trying to stop trouble, they are trying to create more to justify them getting bigger budgets. If they really were trying to stop trouble, they would nip it in the bud, they would find the root cause, the knobs that actually are causing the issues, and they would single them out. They would encourage the crowd to single them out and stop it happening. Clearly as you claim to have seen so many troublemakers and yet have done nothing about it, you are as much of a problem as they are! Any person who stands by and watches is little better than the guilty party.}
25 Jan 2016 23:08:22
Some people think home games at Celtic Park are opportunities to practice church behaviour . There are no silence please notices in any stand . The Green Brigade bring a football crowd atmosphere to one corner of the stadium . Very often a couple of hundred fans in the away section out sing the rest of the stadium .
For those who consider the Green Brigade to be a pesky wee section, then they should form a group themselves and sing Celtic only "approved " songs and fill the stadium .