29 Nov 2015 16:34:16
Watching. psv and de Jong scoring again (32 in 44) psv bought him for around 3.8million scepovic and cifti cost around 3.8million. time for new scouts?
29 Nov 2015 17:48:32
We paid just shy of 4 million for cifti, you are living in cloud cuckoo land, not even over 2 million guarantied.
29 Nov 2015 18:42:35
Fab2 he meant a combined total.
29 Nov 2015 19:02:28
Sorry never seen the sepovic bit, but your right our whole recruitment policy needs a massive overhaul.
30 Nov 2015 00:15:42
Why don't some of the posters on here send there Cv's to Lawwell and take up a scouting role for Celtic . Seems if they see a player once on TV they can decide how much better they are than the Celtic purchases .
I am sure there were matches played this weekend in a lot more pleasant climate than Celtic today.
{Ed007's Note - I'm surprised Fab2 hasn't been all over this telling DRB how rubbish the Dutch league is and how we should be easily beating teams from Holland.}
30 Nov 2015 01:02:06
How do you know how many times I've seen de Jong? ? blade . pukka. . bangura . s cepoviv. cifti. fridjonsson. nouinoui. Miku. . too name a few . have been brought in by the scouting system if you think that's good enough keep the green tinted glasses on. keep your head in the sand . and be happy .
. if you think de Jong is worse than the players I've mentioned and the scouts are doing a good job recruiting strikers then you are deluded.
30 Nov 2015 07:57:56
Now your putting word's in my mouth ed, I said Ajax were a very poor team and were their for the taking, I think anyone who watched the games would agree, as for the Dutch league, it has gone downhill recently but still produces some top top players as harry would say, as for de jong took his goals well and could easily have scored a hatrick but chased nothing all day so would not have fitted into rds unbendable criteria for playing in his team, where running around like a headless chicken chasing lost causes is more important than skills or ability.
{Ed007's Note - Ajax are top of their league, a far superior league to the SPFL in terms of technical ability. PSV are third in that league and beat they beat Man Utd in Holland and drew with them at Old Trafford. You said:
'We certainly spend more money than the majority of teams from, Sweden, Norway, Holland, and Poland, so why are we not getting better players than them?'
How much more than Ajax or PSV do we spend on youth development and our academy?}
30 Nov 2015 18:24:27
I have no idea of the figures they spend on their youth development ed but whatever it is they have got it right, we do spend more money than the majority of teams in Holland , so ed if we were dropped into the Dutch league with the team we have tomorrow, do you think we would be above, Ajax, psv, feyenoord, or az , I don't yet I would imagine our squad cost more to assemble than there's, why is that? Is it because they are coached and managed better than our team? Or is it there recruitment policy is better than ours? I don't think we are getting value for money or the best out of the players we have, both those problems are caused by the manager or are you telling me rd has no say in the recruitment and coaching of our players .
{Ed007's Note - I have no idea what point you're making, yesterday you were saying we should be beating teams from Holland.}
30 Nov 2015 19:19:39
We have signed some players over the last five or six years who have come to the club knuckled down with our coaches and managers and become super players over a short number of years . Unfortunately they have insisted in moving to the money diseased EPL and we haven't had long time playing time from them .
Unfortunately we have also signed a far greater number who came here thinking that hard work and dedication wasn't for them .
We cannot make young players train and work .
Watching players on TV isn't exactly a certain sure way of picking out new recruits, it seems watching in flesh doesn't always work either but it's the standard norm in the industry.
30 Nov 2015 19:24:07
Yes and I'm still saying that, where in my post did I not say anything to the contrary? You seem to think that success has no collation with the amount of money you spend, I disagree, yes sure the odd time Celtic will beat Barcelona or psv will beat man u but the majority of the time the team who has the bigger budget wins, but not in our case, why is that, imo bad management. Would I be right in saying that out of all the teams we have played in Europe this year we have a vastly higher wage bill and transfer budget than them all other than the Turks? Yet how many game's have we won in Europe this year? 2 against a part time team from Finland and a one nil victory over a team from Azerbaijan, and you think this is progressing? You think this is acceptable? If you look at my posts from the summer then you will remember how I feel regarding the cl and how I was belittled for calling it an overrated money making exercise and how I was vilified for saying I was exited and looking forward to our Europa league campaign as I felt it was our level and a more level playing field for our club, but it was neither enjoyable or exiting due to imo bad decisions ond naive tactics from Ronnie.
{Ed007's Note - So why should we be beating teams from Holland again?}
30 Nov 2015 20:23:14
We never looked like beating anyone in that group, even when we were 1-0 up against Ajax did you think we were going to go on and win confidingly? I didn't neither did the guys I was with or the guys sitting around us judging by there comments. I don't know if you went to all the European games ed and it's hard to put into words why but there is no confidence in rds team, I remember going to games against Barcelona, ac Milan, Porto, Bayern, and the top teams in Europe and really expecting to get a result ( didn't always work out ) but now I'm going to games against Dutch, polish, Swedish and Norwegian teams hoping we just don't get pumped again, and your telling me the manager has no responsibility for that .
{Ed007's Note - I expect CFC to win every game, I always have and always will but over the past 30 odd years there's been a lot of major disappointments in Europe and they weren't all RD's fault, I had teams managed by Billy McNeil (twice) and Davie Hay all the way through MON, WGS and NL and now RD all disappoint me, even MON disappointed me when we lost in Seville but luckily not many supporters would have shared my disappointment as it was wasn't the CL so they weren't interested. Every manager in our history except Jock Stein has been a failure in Europe - so why is it suddenly so important over the last two years?
I freely admit that my memory isn't what it was but I can't remember the same rabid clamour for previous manager's to get sacked for European failure yet, here we are with people who want RD sacked even though we've had consistently had European football and reached the latter stages in a European tournament under him.
Who are these people comparing us against to want the manager sacked?}
30 Nov 2015 21:23:33
I hope your right ed, I hope in a year or two we have a team full of Tierney's and rd has learned that it's not a crime to set up his team differently depending on the opposition and that he learns that it's not just how far players run during a game but how many telling passes they make or how many players they have went past and produced something game changing after it, as you know from previous discussions I don't give a monkeys what a manager or players background is as long as they do the best for Celtic in there future, as a man I really like Ronnie, as a manager I just don't think he has it, like I say hope I'm wrong, me and my pals will provide the passion all they need to do is provide the skills to drive us forward.