28 Nov 2015 11:55:16
Just read the Collins interview and on the back of delia's interview after the match the only word that comes to mind is deluded both of these guys are not prepared to take any responsibility for the dross that we are having to watch, game after game, after game, I watch a few games from this week, ghenk, Astana, psv, teams that if you judge purely on finances should be on a par with, but if you judge it on the players these clubs have and the way they play we are light years behind them and that is solely down to the scouting team and the management team those teams spend even less than we do on players but obviously there recruiting is of a much higher calibre, or their coaching is you just can not escape this fact, finally on what basis does anyone believe that Ronny deila is the man to lead another attempt on Europe in a little over 6month's time, I just fail to understand what they have seen in the last 2campaigns that would even hint that he could succeed and before anyone says WHO would take the job make know mistake if lawwell were to advertise the job the applications list would be as long as your arm and of a high standard just as long as lawwell doesn't put in preconditions I. e. I'll pick your assistant your defensive coach ext. lawwell and the board are trying to downsize celtic and celtic fans expectations because it makes their job so much easier no Europe to worry about no need to make an effort to find good players, good manager just win a 1 horse race and the money's in the bank, happy days, why take any form of a gamble or actually, God forbid, put yourselves out, nah downsizing the way to go.
28 Nov 2015 13:53:04
Here's a basis I think people need to start getting into their thick skulls.
The clubs you mention, and many others have produced their own good players for decades. Celtic have been lightyears behind and have produced nowt.
Ronnie DEILA has as good a track record as anybody we could, or would, afford of helping producing good young players.
KT has looked our best player of late. Because he's young. He's of an age where now he can play, he is learning HOW to play. The process of education takes more than a year and a half to see the benefits.
28 Nov 2015 13:55:16
That is a top rate post and eloquently put.
28 Nov 2015 16:30:05
Ok Jim Tim tell me some names of players at Ghent, PSV and Astra that those teams have produced who are playing for them? So please don't just make comments to try and back up an argument. You have no idea if these teams do or don't produce players. Next point. Ronnie Delia was at His previous club for 6 years before he won the league. He didn't dominate Norweigan football he won the league once in 6 years. So where is this guys fantastic track record. He has won 1 cup and 1 league title in 10 years before he came to Celtic. So there is no basis to say this guy can do anything extraordinary. Following him is just about blind faith. He has an ordinary CV. He ain't some visionary manager. If he went and worked under a top manager he would I am sure learn a lot and maybe come back as a good manager but right now he had too much to learn. Qualify for CL next year? Give me a break. Bottom of EL group. That says it all. You can't get any lower than bottom. 2 points out of 15? Please stop trying to make a case for him. There isn't one based on what he has done here in 20 months. So as I said it's just about blind faith if you think he can make us into a decent side.
28 Nov 2015 17:39:09
Delia can be credited with developing Johansson, Tierney and Martin Odegaard. Good record for his coaching talents. There may be a case for keeping him as a coach and bringing in an older head to actually lead/manage tactics but would be a hell of a dynamic to manage with players who I already suspect don't have a lot of respect for him. This older head still escapes me as RD would probably have a huge dent in pride/CV. Question would also be raised about if someone so good comes in would keeping RD seem justifiable. How much of a gamble would it be, even with full board support to give him another year? Too much on what I've seen. One thing for sure for me is I have no scooby what John Collins does/is even there for.
28 Nov 2015 18:02:29
I may be wrong but I think I read somewhere that Deila was being lined up to replace Mjallby as Lennons no2?
I don't know when this was to happen, but he 'won a watch' when NL resigned and possibly the board installed their own assistants as a precaution and - God forbid - Collins would potentially be promoted as the next Celtic manager!
Now that's a nightmare scenario.
28 Nov 2015 18:06:26
I think we are where we are and we can continue on the basis that sticking with the Scottish born youth augmented with good players from overseas that want to play for us . Or we can tear it all up and go for a super coach who is just waiting to take over Celtic sign super stars and have us competing at the business end of Champions League every year .
I hope Deila stays/kept and he is able to move Stokes Commons, Mulgrew and Derk ASAP we don't need many new players in, but those who come need to play a major role . I think the time is ripe from now until the end of the season to bring in four or five youngsters into team and give them a wee run .
28 Nov 2015 18:55:37
OldBhoy what 5 youngsters do you think he should bring in or are you suggesting any 5 that are just kicking about? OldBhoy all of the decent youngsters are out on loan. So much for Ronny developing his own. Do what 5 do you want in the team?
{Ed007's Note - So Alex Ferguson didn't bring through Beckham because he spent some time out on loan at Preston North End? What an odd outlook.}
28 Nov 2015 18:33:48
Aye, reckon I agree. Might sound like I'm contradicting myself but as untenable as things may be for Delia having another pop-I don't see any other alternative. We are not going to get anything like a Moyes, Sherwood or even Howe. The DoF thing is something that I wouldn't even be able to comment on in an informed manner of any kind. Big thing I agree fully on is putting the likes of Nesbitt and Tierney on as much as possible for the remainder of the season. Even at the expense of a treble. I think I'd find more solace in a bunch of kids getting blooded and showing if there is a case for them coming through than getting the treble.
28 Nov 2015 18:39:19
I think we can do both. Stick with the aim of bringing in the best young talent in Scotland and get a better manager who will make them better players. RD has had his chance and failed 18 months with no progress, he is a flop.
28 Nov 2015 18:52:28
johnnymac i think you should do some research into Ronny before spouting off about him stromsgodset were a perennial relegation candidates and them winning the league was akin to say st. mirren or kilmarnock winning the spl also more importantly for our board was his record in player development now i don't have the actual figures but i know international players coming out of that team went from next to none to dozen's while Ronny was in charge there ED007 may have better info on that.
{Ed007's Note - Between 2001-2007 not ONE single Stromsgodset player earned a youth cap (including under 21s) for Norway. However, in just 5 years under Deila, the figure reached 179, that's works out at an average of 36 per season.
28 Nov 2015 19:28:23
Thanks ed knew u would have had those figures for me that is showing as a huge success bringing those players through and i bet that's what our board are wanting from deila lots of international youth's to sell on for profit but also the players he brought through helped win the league for a club that were not expected to.
28 Nov 2015 20:00:52
how many of the 179 went on to full caps and how many are still full caps.
{Ed007's Note - 179.}