22 Nov 2015 18:11:18
Apologies may have to do this in 2-3 posts as screen freezing.
Its not about results its about performances for me under RD.
We have played roughly 90 odd games since his arrival.
I reckon about 10-12 games have been good/excellent performances.
I also reckon about30-40 of the games we have been bang average.
That leaves 30-40 games where we have been poor/very poor.
Now here is my problem with RD, he stated that he was here to get fast free flowing good football. Now considering we play more than 90% of our games against INFERIOR opposition that's not too hard a thing to do in my opinion.
Only Inter in my opinion have been a level above while other teams we have played home or Europe have been our level or below.
Since he is playing inferior teams most of the time you, would think we could manage some good football.
But the vast majority of performances have been average/poor.
I know there is an argument for not being backed in transfers etc and backroom staff, but does he really need it to beat INFERIOR teams, yes he will need it to beat teams a level above but we not really played anyone of note yet. So if we have to judge him on performance and what he promised us he has FAILED miserably.
{Ed007's Note - What do you mean the screen keeps freezing mate, is it our screen when you're trying to post because Ed001 was talking about that the other day and I think it was meant to have been fixed?}
22 Nov 2015 18:35:34
In the words of Karen Dunbar, "I smell shite".
22 Nov 2015 19:49:38
Hi ed yeah when posting longer than average stuff mate it freezes so did it short and posted 3 times, thanks for putting it together. Don't know if its my laptop or the page.
{Ed033's Note - if you're going to post a lot of text it's best to write it out in wordpad and then copy and paste from wordpad into the posting form.
22 Nov 2015 21:13:07
I remember posting when Neil Lennon was Manager and people were complaining about the quality and entertainment level of the football played under Neil
I think it is still the same, it takes two teams to play, you cannot have fast attractive end to end football if one team has 8/9 players within 30 yds of goal.
22 Nov 2015 23:22:59
Old bhoy neil Lennon never said he would give fast flowing good football, RD did that's the difference. Also NL was up against Rangers most of the time, where if they beat Killie then next day for eg we had to beat Hearts. High pressure games where a win was a must and nobody cared about performance so much.
If RD struggles the now with so little pressure what will he be like when he must win every week.
So far when he has had to win he has failed.
23 Nov 2015 00:58:37
Rayman is this the pernickety you now stoop to? I couldn't care less about fast flowing football. See as long as we win games i'm happy and are successful in domestic cup competitions, that is main priority. And before you start CL chat, it was clearly evident we were not a CL standard side during Lennons last season in charge.
Lennon was only up against Rangers for one season so i don't know where you are getting that idea from. Also you say Deila is struggling? He has done a far better job than Lennon did so far so how you working that out?
{Ed007's Note - It won't be long until the serious 'Bring Lennon Back' posts begin if what I'm hearing is correct.}
23 Nov 2015 01:41:58
Ed007 i'm expecting that too mate. If Lennon was still in charge and we were in the exact same condition we are in just now, a few posters would have a very different opinion. Its a clear witch hunt to get Deila cause he doesn't fit profile.
{Ed007's Note - It's a shams the way things have went for him at Bolton, he should never have taken that job and I'll never understand why he did as it's not as if their problems were a secret, although he wasn't exactly inundated with offers. I really don't see him getting another job down there unless he's just going to play the managerial merry go round of the same old faces getting jobs and bringing nothing to the game, is managing mid-table Championship teams the level of his ambition? There's no denying his record at Bolton is appalling - 14 wins in 56 games, 42 points from 168 is hard to defend no matter how you want to dress it up.
For me it looks like it's a career in the media and as a pundit for him, maybe a bit of coaching, that's probably for the best.}
23 Nov 2015 09:47:16
Offt, where did those fantastic stats come from rayman?
23 Nov 2015 10:31:56
I'm certainly not happy with doing well domestically in cups, - if we got knocked out in the first round every year against Morton but qualified for the Champions League I'd be delighted. I didn't enjoy the football under Lennon, and from the 5-0 defeat against Juve, through to the group stages the following year the performances were brutal. Under Ronny it has got worse but I don't really blame him too much because Lawwell couldn't have made it any more difficult for him. This squad really is very average, we even have fans raving away about Rogic after a couple of good games in the SPL. How many good individual performances has there been in Europe since Ronny took over, - apart from Biton and Griffiths in a few games I can't think of many, oh GMS and Armstrong had 1 good game against Inter at home. I know the constraints we're under, like I have said though we aren't spending what we do have wisely. We aren't giving ourselves the best chance we could in Europe, that's the galling part. Lawwell, Park (if he actually exists) the players and Ronny are to blame. We have become an embarrassment in Europe, almost a joke figure, so I'm never going to sit back and accept that as long as we're winning in Scotland. There's nothing wrong with wanting much better/more, many many teams punch above their weight, Athletico Madrid being a recent example. I'm not interested in Lennon anymore, I wish him well, and Bolton was a poor choice/risk - a Fulham would have been better. I'm also not interested in whether Ronny suits any criteria, or whether a manager is in any way connected to Celtic, I'm only interested in quality and progress. As soon as Lenny walked out the door its a matter of the King is dead, long live the King. It will be the same in another 125 years!
23 Nov 2015 09:15:01
Aye Ed, probably about right.
I liked NL as a manager and the move to Bolton surprised me.
I think NL just got frustrated at the lack of commitment above him and retaining any decent players was not going to happen so what was the point? i'm sure he is financially comfortable and, like you say, wheel him out as a pundit when eventually (and I think sooner rather than later) he gets the heave down there.
That said I have a very good friend who is a Bolton supporter and he admitted that any manager taking the job was on a loser as there was no money available in what is a very competitive league.
BTW, he and a lot of his associates had absolutely no time for Owen Coyle and they reckon he started the rot.
23 Nov 2015 12:37:46
DN I post something about RD and you turn it into a Lennon fiasco, what about actually replying to the original post and give an opinion on it as I cudnt give 2 flying f**** about Lennon and what's happening at Bolton.
Dont you find it strange you are the only 1 on here talking about it.
23 Nov 2015 14:07:19
DN30, If you can find anything positive to say about Delia, then tell us what it is. You can't keep insulting people by saying they have agendas.
I don't know why Delia is so Godlike in your eyes that you react so badly if anyone dares say a word against him. He is an employee of the club, it's perfectly fair for fans to have an opinion on his performance, without being accused of having plots or agendas.
I have read in your previous posts, that you don't rate John Park, he is an employee of Celtic, yet it seems okay for you to criticise him, do you have an agenda against him?, or do you just think he's not very good at his job? . Other people have said they don't rate Efe Ambrose, or Kris Commons, or James Forrest, do they have agendas against employees of the football club?, I don't imagine they have, I think they have just formed an opinion on these individuals on what they have seen from them.
Your opinion on Ronny Deila is perfectly valid, but equally people who have a different view should be able to express it without having agendas and Neil Lennon rammed down their throats.
23 Nov 2015 14:18:24
I keep repeating myself on here I know so again I am sorry But until the board stop picking the team and do what they are great at running the club I must admit And let the manager pick the players for the team (club) it will not matter who we have as a manager until that is sorted out Parks is a SCOUT but as far as I am led to be leave he even has more say as to who plays for Celtic than the manager.
23 Nov 2015 14:19:40
rayman, you actually started talking about lennon before DN did?
made me laugh as well when you just pluck numbers out of thin air for what games were good, bad etc.
i think people need to look at the bigger picture. the quality in the squad has been getting worse for the last 6/7 years. each season we sell our best players and hope to sign a rough diamond that we can then sell on in a couple of years.
It is only my impression but I do feel that we are now moving in a direction that will end up with us having a squad that is able to bring through youth players in a better way and to a better standard. The issue is that we are trying to bridge a gap between two different type of regimes and during this period of transition we have signed too many duds and continued to sell our best players.
its ridiculous when people talk about RD losing us 40m as well. If we did qualify for the champions league a coupe of times and we attracted some players for 4/5m each, would this really solve the issue we have at celtic just now? even if the players were a success eventually they would want to leave to other clubs and we would be back to square one. Celtics only option moving forward is to become a club that the best young talent wants to join because there is a proven path from our youth teams to our first team.
23 Nov 2015 14:36:15
Rayman it was YOU who brought him up before i mentioned him commenting on fast flowing football pi$h. I am merely contributing to a public debate.
Points i bring up are very relevant. People on this were posting during Lennons last season, overjoyed at a clean sheet record and happy to overlook failings in all cup competitions. Yet Deila is doing better in all domestic competitions apart from Europa League ( which still is not over) and gets crucified. Do you see where i'm getting at?
One of your war crys is "last 16", which was an epic time for the club. But team on pitch that day was a far better one than we have at club today. We can't expect times like than again unless there is investment and a shake up in scouting system. We can't continually replace players with sub-standard replacement. Are you too dense to understand that?
23 Nov 2015 15:01:41
I was replying to a post Edinbhoy where lennon was mentioned. DN is replying to my post where Lennon was never mentioned mate.
23 Nov 2015 15:09:02
Edinbhoy if you check back, you see that you are wrong about who started talking about who first, I agree with you that the club is moving in the right directions like you say. I just get the impression Ronnie does'nt have a clue, how to manage the team, once they're on the park.
23 Nov 2015 15:18:12
I didn't expect a debate about Lennon, I only mentioned that the knockers knocked Lennon as they do with Deila . It doesn't make them any more correct, just moaners . Many complained about Saturday but I didn't see many complain about Bro. madden . Yes I know we should be able to beat Kilmarnock no matter what the refs do but sometimes every team need a fair referee.
23 Nov 2015 15:41:28
DN if you read my post I mention that we don't need a better team or players to beat the dross we have came up against, this is RDs failing. Of course we would like better signings etc but do we really need them to beat the likes of Maribor, Molde, etc.
I notice that you never criticised my assessment on performance lol. easier to deflect than to look at the real issue. (Europe) .
Its also good to know you compare our great manager to a rookie who had never managed a team before.
Is this the BAR you set for Ronny lol.
23 Nov 2015 17:05:17
Thurs is a huge night for Ronny, the coaches and especially the players. They better start realising the damage they are doing to the club. If our perception gets any worse in Europe we'd be as well chucking it. It wasn't that long ago clubs from Norway etc were part time, Brattbakk worked in an office when we signed him from Rosenberg, now we are being humbled by their teams. It comes from the top and Lawwell is a megalomaniac, plain and simple! It would be bad enough if the decisions he was making were good but he's turning us into an afterthought. I mentioned Prandelli, some would like a proper Director Of Football, but something needs done! The fans I go to the games with are disgusted with the lot of them!
23 Nov 2015 17:05:58
Rayman just to refresh your memory that you mentioned Lennon in a post that i was refering to:
"Old bhoy neil Lennon never said he would give fast flowing good football, RD did that's the difference"
Hope that clarifys the matter.
Performances have been dull for a long time before Deila. I have consistently said that, however no matter how scrappy a win is il take it. Yes in an ideal world we would all like to see entertaining football each game, but reality is unless there is a shake up in transfer policies this is not going to happen. Deila needs more control over who is signed in order to make this 4-2-3-1 system more effective. Its all right saying play 4-4-2 but that's not going to help playing in europe.
Gerryc i'm not going over old ground with you. Your embarrasing yourself. Have you been drinking today?
23 Nov 2015 19:11:34
"Performances have been dull for a long time before Deila" nice deflection DN no mention of how dull they are just now.
The performances u mention before RD got us to the CL and last 16 let us not forget, oh and your favourite clean sheet record.
With no pressure to win the league u would think any decent manager could get his team playing good football.
23 Nov 2015 19:20:12
DN30, could you explain what I have said which means I am embarrassing myself.
My original message was asking you to debate with people without resorting to lies and insults, your reply just sums up my point to a tee.
Just for your information, I don't drink, I don't take drugs, and I don't smoke.
I suppose your next response will be to ridicule the fact that I don't do any of these.
I suppose I should take it as a compliment really, as it means you have lost the argument.
23 Nov 2015 21:27:32
iv checked back and I'm confident I was able to see who mentioned lennon first, oldbhoy then rayman then DN.
I find these same arguments frustrating to read. Surely people realise the difference in our team from when we qualified for the last 16 to now?
forster replaced by gordon
wilson, matthews replaced with boyata no one really
ledley, kayal, wanyama replaced with biton and johanson who have done well at times but our midfield is still much poorer than it was then
then hooper and samaras replaced with griffiths and ciftci
throw in armstrong and GMS somewhere as well but there is such a drop in quality. to blame RD for getting worse results isn't really understanding the issue surely?
23 Nov 2015 21:28:34
I still liked Lennon and 'Imagine' is still brilliant. oh, wait.
23 Nov 2015 22:28:01
Rayman what are you on about? Dull is dull, exciting is exciting. i'm struggling to see how you can justify the difference.
Gerryc I've achieved what i wanted. A reaction and you took the bait 🎣🎣🎣😂😂😂
Cheers edinbhoy for verifying. Its just usual lies from rayman lol.
24 Nov 2015 11:36:49
edinbhoy, I don't think anyone is saying our team is not weaker than it was a couple of years ago, but Ronny has to carry the can for things like style of play tactics and fitness.
When he first came to the club, a lot was made about fitness, yet for all our state of the art facilities at lennoxtown and all the talk of healthy diets, we look no fitter than any other team in Scotland, when do we ever score a late winner in matches, hardly ever, in fact in most games it's the opponents who seem to get stronger towards the end of matches.
These are things that Deila can influence, yet to be honest we look worse than we did under ANY previous manager.