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10 Nov 2015 02:17:20
Signings both loans and permanents made under Ronny as manager so far and my assessment, I consider their ability performance levels at our club at all levels (Europe/domestically) and re-sale value.

Craig Gordon, Free : Decent enough replacement of Forster but still nowhere near his class, had good first season but has been poor this season for me by last seasons standards. Deserves credit though for keeping himself injury free after the nightmare two and a half year spell he had out the game. Overall decent enough signing.

John Guidetti, Loan : Started very well and had a genuine class about him on the ball, far more ability than Griffiths imo and had he been up for it and taken to us I think he'd have been a decent reliable striker for us at a higher level in Europe. Overall OK signing.

Stefan Scepovic, £2.3M : Never really been given a proper chance imo, has looked OK and can score goals unlike previous duds like Bangura and Amido Balde. Clearly not in Ronny's plans so has to go down as a poor signing as we've wasted a lot of money on him. Poor signing.

Stuart Armstrong, £1.75M : Might not be popular but for me he's bang average and we've been robbed by Dun Utd, not good enough and a pointless signing, no skill, no pace, poor finisher, poor passer, poor touch. Is he a better player than even Stokes out wide? Not for me and I don't rate him centrally either hasn't got enough in his game. Poor signing.

Gary-Mackay Steven, £250K : Cost very little but imo not good enough for Celtic just like his best buddy. Little more to say really and it's players like this (Armstrong/Ciftci) why we're becoming a poorer side filling ourselves up with average players. Could do a lot better. Poor signing.

Jason Denayer, Loan : Possibly Ronny's best signing, real class and loved having him here brilliant player, pity it was only on loan. Great signing.

Aleksandar Tonev, Loan : Less said the better, awful signing.

Michael Duffy, Undisclosed : Can't really judge but struggled to get a start for Alloa of late so doubt he'll make it here. Can't judge.

Mubarak Wakaso, Loan : Again like Scepovic never given a chance after a good start with a goal, turned into a waste of wages as he hardly played but I thought he looked OK at times. Has to go down as a poor signing.

Tyler Blackett, Loan : Less said the better. Awful signing.

Nadir Ciftci, £1.5M : Again like the other two from Dun Utd shouldn't be here imo and a waste of money once again robbed. This again is why we're becoming a poor side signings like this very average players who can't step up in Europe. Not good enough for Celtic. Poor signing.

Scott Allan, £275K : Can't judge yet but looked OK from the little I've seen, very direct and forward thinking. Hasn't been given enough chances yet but chances are he could turn out like the other two average Scottish guys from Dun Utd. Can't judge yet.

Dedrick Boyata, £1.5M: Dear oh dear, very poor defender for me. Passing shambolic, positioning terrible, commitment and desire shocking, Ambrose gets a rough time from Celtic support but he's a much, much better CB than Boyata. One of the biggest reasons for why we're so poor in Europe this season and conceding so many goals. Poor signing.

Saidy Janko, Small compensation fee : Can't really judge yet but from what I've seen so far looks to be a decent/good signing, need to see more though. Can't judge.

Logan Bailly, Undisclosed fee : Back up for Gordon, looks OK from what I've seen. Can't really judge.

Jozo Simunovic, £5.5M? : From what I've seen I've been impressed, need to see more though. Can't judge as yet.

Carlton Cole, Free : Signed as competition for lone striker role. Can't judge yet.

Ryan Christie, £500K : Again going down the Scottish football route which I'm not a fan of. Need to wait and see though and give him chance. Can't judge yet.

So all in all I don't think this makes great reading, especially when you consider decent talents like Watt and Kayal have been ditched under Ronny when they should have been kept and given more of a chance under him imo. Ronny is still using a lot of Lenny signings for his first team and bench as well the likes of Izzy, Brown, Ambrose, Lustig, Johansen, Bitton, Rogic, Commons, Griffiths al get regular games. Can't really count Forrest, McGregor and Tierney as they're youth.

Point is do you trust Ronny with more windows and his judgement of players? Tbh I'm not sure I do after looking at his signings there's a lot of misses there for me and it says a lot he's still using the majority of Lenny's squad.

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10 Nov 2015 08:20:02
Can't really judge many of them yet can you CF! And nor can I. And that's the problem.

He might have said otherwise but I don't believe for one minute that the players we're signing are RD's (realistic) first picks, or that they are as good as we're capable of signing.

Too many players have little or no impact. AS S CLUB that needs sorting.

Scott Brown remains our most expensive signing yet we sell players for two, three times that amount.

Jyst doesn't add up and by trying to dp things on the cheap we are actually wasting money.

10 Nov 2015 09:35:17
@Celticforever its amazing the likes of yourself who defended signings such as Pukki, Bangura, Boerighter under Lennon as being John Park signings. Now because you don't like Deila club has suddenly changed transfer policies and they are all Deila scouted and signed. your argument is bollocks! If that was the case then why did Deila publically state he had never met nor seen Scott Allan untill day he signed or recent signing of Carlton Cole being overseen by John Park?

Just an elaborate witch hunt to futher smear Deila and make him out to be scape goat.

10 Nov 2015 09:41:39
If you take the players who have improved under Ronny. Biton first class was nowhere before. Rogic becoming our best player. Griffiths much better all round. Forest playing above anything he ever produced before. Brown much more consistent. Tierney coming through and playing. Previous manager have purchased more obvious duds than Ronnie for much more money. Though you do make a valid point about average players Ronny is looking for players he can improve. Let's remember who brought Ambrose to the club! You forgot to mention Stefan Johansen who has been poor this season. However has looked much more like himself last couple of games playing a more defensive role.

10 Nov 2015 11:56:30
Celticforever i think you should check authenticity of statements you make. Deila doesn't make the signings. John Park does. Deila doesn't have any say in transfers, this is a well known fact.

You have a vendetta against Deila because he took over from your hero Lennon. It was different story when you were defending Lennon from any blame with signings like pukki, balde, bangura. No surprise you were passing blame onto John Park cause it suited you.

10 Nov 2015 12:10:06
So dn30 should we trust Ronny who you must think is a bare faced liar because he keeps coming out and says he is responsible for all transfers in and out?

10 Nov 2015 12:34:13
Dn30 - Ronny does have a say, it was him that recommended Denayer/Berget/Boyata so your simply raving away and talking nonsense because you want it to be true. Park and Lawwell have a say, the more I hear it seems to almost be like a committee, the way Liverpoor work - there is a database, and they discuss options, anyone could throw a name in but they would look at the pros and cons etc. One thing for sure that comes from the top is that the players have to have a resale value, after Pukki, Balde, Bangura I think they also felt that buying young Scottish players was less of a risk. Bottom line, I think Ronny can ask for a player but has to justify the reasons, which is fair enough, - loads of clubs work this way. My biggest problem is Park and Lawwell aren't qualified to be doing what they're doing, one is a businessman and the other a glorified scout yet they act like Directors Of Football!

{Ed007's Note - No it's nothing like that. Denayer, Guidetti and Boyata were recommended to Peter Lawell as possible targets by Mark Lawwell (Peter' son) who is the Scouting Information and Content Manager at Manchester City.}

10 Nov 2015 12:51:27
DN30, Why do you keep harping on about Lennon?, I judge the team and Ronny on what I watch week in week out, from what I see he is fine domestically, (it would be pretty hard not to be) but when we step up a level he seems to struggle.
My opinion of him has absolutely nothing to do with Neil Lennon or Tony Mowbray, or Gordon Strachan or Martin O'Neill, I just watch the matches and form an opinion.
It's perfectly reasonable for you to have faith in Ronny and think he is the right man for the job, but can you not argue that by saying why you think that's the case, and not just come out with the tired old line that if you think he's not very good, then you have an agenda against him.
It's not a case of one against the other in my opinion, I only care about Celtic, I don't make God's out of managers, players, or Directors, and if I think somebody is not up to the job, it's exactly that, and nothing to do with preferring their predecessors.

10 Nov 2015 12:56:07
Yeah I knew he was involved at City Ed - Ronny specifically said he had been watching Denayer and Boyata while looking at City's development games, the same as he was interested in Brandon Barker recently and the lad that was at Atalanta in Italy, so it might be a combination of both. Obviously he knew Berget through his loan spell at Stromgodset. I know Ronny isn't solely responsible for signings but he can put his case forward!

{Ed007's Note - Of course he's allowed to put his case forward otherwise we'd have ended up with Danny Wilson, but ultimately the final decision is made by Lawwell and Park.}

10 Nov 2015 13:08:54
Yeah, sure i heard Ronny saying, he liked Scott Allan and thought he was a very good player, and that was before we signed him, so how can he say that, if he'd never seen him, someone is speaking with forked tongue, keemo sabi.

{Ed007's Note - And yet the first time he ever spoke to Allan was in a phone call the night before he arrived to sign, after the deal had all been agreed by Peter Lawwell and John Park who had been working on snatching Allan from Hibs.
So RD said he liked the player.... what's your point, can't they agree on players sometimes? We'll never get anywhere if that's the case}.

10 Nov 2015 13:19:53
Yeah I agree with that, I just don't think its cool for him to be portrayed as a complete puppet! I think we all know that Lawwell and Park simply don't know as much as they think.

{Ed007's Note - Lawwell thinks he knows more about football than he does, he should concentrate on what he's good at, running the club instead of getting so deeply involved in the football side and get someone in better than Park.
It's nothing to do with RD being a puppet and I really don't see why people find it so difficult to understand how things are set-up, it's the exact same we had under Dalglish and Barnes except Park isn't called Director of Football and it's the modern continental way that big clubs are ran, it was the same under Neil Lennon as well, Neil Lennon never found Wanyama, Hooper or van Dijk yet everybody seemed to understand it back then.
What input did RD have on the CG signing, were GMS and Armstrong, identified by RD, scouted and deals negotiated all in the space of 6 months? When do CFC ever move that quickly, and considering when RD's first look at the players was when we beat them 6-1 at Celtic Park and Armstrong lasted 40 mins and GMS 70, I doubt they caught RD's eye as ones to watch on that occasion. I know for a fact that the first time GMS met RD was when he arrived to sign his full-time contract, his pre-contract was signed in the presence of..... Peter Lawwell, John Park and Eric Riley, why do you think that is?}

10 Nov 2015 13:48:06
@Jim1972 wouldn't be the first time we have heard lies from club.

@Delphic You are embarrasing yourself. Deila had nothing to do with Denayer or Boyata as ed has pointed out.

@Gerryc away chase yourself. It was a valid point i made regarding Celticforever comment.

10 Nov 2015 14:06:03
DN30 said Ronnie had never seen Allan, sorry just being pedantic.

10 Nov 2015 14:38:36
@aindoh eh?

10 Nov 2015 14:43:23
@DN you have a short memory bud. You slaughtered Lennon on here many many times over his dud signings.
Whats the difference now if as ed says the policy has not changed. How can it be Lennons fault yet not Ronnys for dud signings mate. Make your mind up lol.

10 Nov 2015 15:12:33
You're embarrassing yourself Dn30, it's not like you right enough, - Ronny specifically said that while at Man City he had been looking at Mathias Bossaerts and Denayer, I just told you he had also known about Ahmad Benali from before Mark Lawwell was even at City, I agree that he is a great contact and it won't do Celtic any harm having him there but do you think he has the power to just send whoever his old man asks for up to us? So stop brown nosing Ed and away and source some detail yourself!

{Ed007's Note - So was RD hoping to take Denayer and Bossaerts to Stromsgodset?}

10 Nov 2015 15:15:22
@dn that's some logic you have. You defend Ronny on signings by disregarding what he says as lies from his own mouth. Is that because it doesn't suit your agenda or have you just lost a grip on reality🤔.

10 Nov 2015 15:41:52
@rayman with regards Lennons signings, i was unaware things were as bad regarding transfer policy untill Craig Gordon signing.

@Jim1972 some logic I have? Aye okay, the elaborate PR machine at club has never spun a few lies or told staff what to say? Wasnt so long ago Deila was saying VVD was staying this season. Its called not giving media any ammunition to cause unrest or are you too dense to realise that? And what exactly is my agenda?

10 Nov 2015 15:59:33
Not at all Ed but he knew about them/had seen them live!

{Ed007's Note - So when Denayer's name appeared on the list of available players Man City provided he had already seen him play - that's a bit different from saying he was specifically looking at a player.}

10 Nov 2015 16:23:05
So enlighten us dn how do we tell if Ronny is telling the truth does he scratch your ass? Was he lying when praising jk and jc or when talking about signings or a high tempo game or learning from mistakes etc etc I appreciate there are faults all over the club but the easiest one to fix first is a clueless liar.

10 Nov 2015 18:05:38
Don't agree on Stuart Armstrong being a poor signing, he is continually played out of position out wide on the left, he is best deployed behind the striker where the totally ineffectual Johansen gets a game week in week out no matter how poorly he plays, Craig Gordon is a good keeper who is left wide open due to 2 useless CB's playing in front of him .

10 Nov 2015 17:56:05
DN30 Cole trained with Celtic for 6 weeks before they signed him. Don't tell me that Delia had no say in whether he signed him or not of course he did.

10 Nov 2015 18:18:00
I just think with everything being so rushed, and Ronny basically appearing without any preparation, - we know they wanted Keane, and the fact we badly needed a centre half he thought Denayer was worth the risk. On the face of it though it was a huge risk, he was a baby and hadn't played a first team game, Deila simply didn't know how big the club was, no one does until they are submerged in it as you know! So I definitely think the Denayer signing could have went 2 ways, I also think whoever was behind the Blacket signing was hoping for the same outcome, but that has went the opposite way. Denayer had an incredible temperament, nothing fazed him, he was ice cold on the pitch, Blacket can't handle the pressure, I don't think you can work that out in advance though, I think it's a case of hoping they have the character.

10 Nov 2015 19:03:44
Eh nice get out DN, can I accept your apology on behalf of Neil Lennon then lol, or u not man enough to see thro your agenda.

10 Nov 2015 21:07:39
Totally agree with you, Drewzy.

10 Nov 2015 23:31:06
Whats your point Ed?, what if Ronnie had told Lawwell and Park to get him Allan because he had seen him play in the championship and thought he could do a job for Celtic, why does he have to speak to him or meet him, Lawwell and Park can do the procuring, is'nt that scenario just as realistic as the one you are spouting?

{Ed007's Note - If you want, it's boring as hell trying to explain the same things over and over again so I'll give it a miss in future. Everything that's wrong at CFC is down to RD - even shops getting shut and people losing their jobs to cover the extra expense of paying the Living Wage.}

11 Nov 2015 02:04:10
Managers pick favourites. They also pick the players that train better and deserve the chance to start. When the options are limited they revert to the previous.The only defence I can think of for Rd, nl and other previous is that they do not have the control that we associate with the job title. The only thing that posters agree on is that transfers or available funds aren't in the managers control. How many of you go to work every day and resent the lack of support you are given from above to do your job properly and how some that clearly aren't up to task remain or advance in their positions? I have a confidentiality agreement in my contract as do many of you. Publicly voicing problems is our job as the fans but as a whole we are fragmented and divided. Just remember who are the consistent common denominators for the gripes. Cut and paste a few posts from the archives,change the player,the spending,the lack of ability,the manager and see where you end up.
Look at the constants throughout, be fair and consider why we are in the position we are in.

11 Nov 2015 10:43:23
@Johnnymac get your facts right. Carlton Cole trained for 2 weeks not 6 weeks.

@Rayman i still have same opinion regarding Lennon, however accept transfers were forced on him. Only agenda I have mate is not standing by and seeing our club run into ground.

@Jim1972 answer question instead of deflecting, did RD state VVD was going nowhere this season or not on TV interview? Simple question. We all know Peter Lawwell is your hero and you can't take criticism of him, but whether you like it or not there is an agenda at club where certain things are not allowed to be spoken about in public. that's why you only ever hear half stories and board gets away with things using the get of jail free card "celtic do business behind closed doors".

11 Nov 2015 21:56:55
Whoever does the business at Celtic, I am delighted they do it behind close doors . To me that is the correct way . I tend to think that Park controls the watching of particular players and collates the scouts reports . I would hope Deila has given a detailed description on the types of player he wants and Lawwell conducts the business.
If only Deila had told the two players to stay on side last Thursday and if Griffith had scored when it was easier for him to score than miss, is it any wonder we are blaming the manager, he isn't teaching the players the basics .







 

 

 
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