06 Sep 2015 13:22:09
Here are some stats for those that say Brown cannot pass a ball.
In Europe this season, Scott Brown has passed the ball successfully more times than any other Celtic player (275 passes completed). He has a pass completion of 79% which is high for a CM (not the best Bitton has 87%). On top of that his average pass distance is 18m, which shows he has a wide range of passing.
So if you are going to slate Brown and base your argument on his inability to pass the ball then you should really get your facts right.
Stats taken from a website
06 Sep 2015 14:08:48
Celtic forums have always been a breeding ground for people to start a campaign against our own players . Ambrose Mulgrew Izzy Commons and now our captain Scot Brown , and then we wonder why our mainstream Scottish media criticise us and our players so much .
Ok Scot may not be playing to his very high standards just now. , but he is one hell of a lot better than centre midfielders playing in Scotland or legible to play for Celtic .n
06 Sep 2015 14:15:55
Exactly bud. He's playing that continuation role now which would reflect him making the most passes. Some people eh.
06 Sep 2015 14:42:49
Stats can be deceiving and I'd much rather base my opinion on what I see and I don't see Scott brown as one of our best performers in Europe this season so far. I still believe Scott brown has something to offer celtic but not at his current level regardless of how his stats look. If you actually go to games you cannot deny his play THIS season has been below par but if you only look at stats you'll think he's going for player of year.
06 Sep 2015 14:54:15
A lot or most of Bittons' passes are forward and penetrating passes trying to create and make things happen, for him to have an even higher success rate than Brown speaks volumes as the vast majority of Scott Browns passes are mostly backwards or if he feels adventurous the sideways pass will happen. Whenever he attempts the forward pass to try and create something he inevitably gives away possession either gifting it to an opposition players feet or passing the ball out the park for a throw in to the opposition and wasting possession. Or another infuriating pass he tries where he tries a high forward pass which finds no one and goes out for a goal kick to the opposition. Watch him closely and you'll see this, I'm not just saying this for the sake of it.
The stats show nothing except the negative football Scott Brown plays which goes against the managers style of play, he wants to see his players constantly try and make things happen with a high success rate like Bitton attacking the opposition, instead of slowing the game and attack down by passing the ball backwards and sideways so many times. Retaining possession is something that Bitton and from what I've seen Rogic have in abundance over Brown, so far ahead of Brown technically on the ball and they can also do the dirty work that's needed to, they've proved this in the games they've played.
I know what I see when I watch him play for us and I maintain Scott Browns passing ability in my eyes and for those who have him found out amongst the support when he steps up at European or International level know that his passing is awful, I'm sorry but that's just my view and a few others. Even domestically his passing isn't the best either which is the scary part.
Scott Brown as a footballer is extremely poor this is just my opinion.
He doesn't score goals, he doesn't split defences with passes, he rarely breaks up play legally, his tackling is atrocious at times giving away needless fouls in dangerous areas, his positioning is questionable also as was seen for Scotland just there at the goal conceded and he makes quite a few individual high profile errors which have led to us conceding goals(the one against Malmo at Celtic Park for example with his header), his passing is also poor, his off the ball sly digs at players and constant personal spats are infuriating(Both in Europe and domestically), he gets away with a lot of this lack of ability in Scotland(To an extent)domestically against lesser opposition but in Europe and at international level he doesn't and this is where he gets found out for me.
His main quality is that he has energy and he uses it to harass and annoy(this is because he lacks in football skills like a Bitton for instance so has to try and make up for it in other ways), against Motherwell and Killie that's enough, at European and international level it's well short.
We need better imo and this is why our passing and not being able to retain the ball as well in Europe is happening, the problem is staring right at us literally and a lot of fans don't want to admit the harsh reality that Brown is one of our biggest problems in retaining and passing the ball well in Europe.
I'd quite like to see Rogic and Bitton together in front of the back four to see how they work together.
06 Sep 2015 15:07:07
Celticfornever your getting boring now, we all get you don't like brown. Your in the minority end of. Btw time you got over wanyama he's history. brown wants to play for celtic guys like wanyama,van dijk,forster etc didnt
06 Sep 2015 15:09:24
Celticforneverr your now pining for kayal? Do you believe kayal is a better player than brown?
06 Sep 2015 15:43:44
All this brown talk scunners me
06 Sep 2015 16:15:29
Ryder mate Van Dijk, Wanyama and Forster had to be wanted first before making the move to England in the EPL, the reason guys like Brown, Mulgrew, Stokes or even Commons and Forrest also for instance still find themselves at Celtic is for the same reason and that is because no one in the EPL is interested and there's a reason for that, just like there's a reason why players like Bitton are being watched with interest and teams are supposedly ready to make a move soon in the coming transfer windows.
It's certainly not for their love of Celtic that they're still here, they're on wages they'd be very hard pressed to get elsewhere and they find themselves in a comfort zone in our league which doesn't expose they're lack of ability, as we see when these same players step up a level in Europe and become exposed for us. If a team from the EPL offered Brown/Commons/Mulgrew/Stokes a 4 year contract tomorrow on £60K a week they'd be off but 1. No team at that level would be interested and 2. They'd probably fear playing at that level as they know their lack of ability would get them found out down there, just like it does in Europe for us and at international level. We are an amazing club to be a part of that's for sure but if you're a really decent player who has impressed and showed that on the European stage with us then as has been shown with Wanyama/Virgil/Forster/Hooper they won't be here very long and rarely over two years. As money talks in the end as well as the standard of league on offer to them.
I don't really care if I'm in the minority although I feel the penny is beginning to drop with a lot of our support personally, but the majority are certainly not always right.
Btw yes I do think Kayal is a better player than Brown and Kayal proved that in his first season when he was here, he tailed off a bit due to injury but for me he's always been a better midfielder than Brown, also Kayal is earning rave reviews currently at Brighton who play in a much more competitive and tougher league than our own and a lot of their fans can't quite believe they've got a player like Kayal and they are all saying he's EPL bound next season if he keeps up his form this season, they even call him King Kayal and he's a fans favourite.
06 Sep 2015 16:34:07
Another big boring post celticfornever, what has wanyama,van dijk,forster or hooper done in europe? And your take on kayal, wtf proved in 1st(one season) he had it, what about the rest? Brown has been consistantly our best player for the last several years. You put him in the same category as mulgrew,stokes and commons players I don't really rate but browns head n shoulders above them
06 Sep 2015 16:36:25
Why are people still talking about Brown? We should really just ignore Celtic forever as he has something personal it seems against Brown. I've said before that Brown annoys me at times, but the nonsense being written by Celticforever just suggest he hates Brown and is a bit clueless. I'm looking forward to his bring back beram campaign though. I liked kayal but he pretty much admitted he left because Lee McCulloch scared him.
Give it a rest!
06 Sep 2015 18:18:58
In all honesty , I think if a certain poster changed his name to celticfornever , the post might make more sense .
06 Sep 2015 18:19:10
Look Scott Brown is almost always amongst our best performers in any given game, really there is no debate here. As for not passing the ball forward I attend all the games and he is always trying to pass froward to the wide player and more importantly he is there to take it from them and recirculate the ball when necessary, perhaps the anti brown faction are down at the pie stall when he is doing this if they are even at the game. I have never read so much self opinionated twaddle in my life
06 Sep 2015 19:15:38
RyderBrown did you really just say 'what has Wanyama, Forster or Hooper done in Europe'?
They made massive contributions to us in Europe whilst they were here ffs, it's the reason they got they're moves away and we raked in so much money because teams outside of Scotland don't rate what they do with us domestically and rather judge them with what they do for us in Europe.
Dear oh dear mate.
06 Sep 2015 20:42:01
Celticfornever, listen this is the last time I read one of your crapy posts,,so you believe wanyama,forster and hooer set europe alight, how many games did they play? Wanyama was at the club barely 2 seasons then couldn't wait to get away. i'm with nt87 on this. I will also be ignoring you christopher,,
06 Sep 2015 21:18:12
I think when you look at the facts, they speak for themselves.
Last season whilst Brown was out injured, we were a shambles, when he returned to the team, it was like signing a player, such was the difference in performance and results of the team. It's the same this season, whenever Brown
Gets taken off, the performance falls away.
Sometimes you have to judge a player on the influence he brings to the team, and the confidence he brings to others, rather than judge him on every time a pass goes astray.
Brown may not be the most gifted player, but I don't think there's another player in the team that can influence things the way Brown does.
06 Sep 2015 21:24:46
Where did I say they set Europe alight? They were certainly the main contributors as to why we qualified for the last 16 under Lenny. They were great in Europe for us, particularly Forster and Wanyama. Or do you have a short memory?
It's not about how many games they played in Europe it's about the impact they had while they played here at that level for us, and the three of them certainly did more for us in Europe and had a bigger impact in their short time here at that level than Brown has done in his entire career at Celtic in Europe, that is undeniable.
From what I also remember Brown was not part of our win over Barcelona, how strange, we all know the impact he had the next year we played Barca again or with your seemingly short memory you may not.